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reply to post by DISRAELI
It makes me physically sick to think that people sit around justifying brutality, rape and slavery believing it to be condoned by a loving God, who is "working with what he finds", and is doing the best he can.
Lets not forget where and how these Hebrews got their slaves to begin with!
10 When you march up to attack a city, make its people an offer of peace. 11 If they accept and open their gates, all the people in it shall be subject to forced labor and shall work for you. 12 If they refuse to make peace and they engage you in battle, lay siege to that city. 13 When the LORD your God delivers it into your hand, put to the sword all the men in it. 14 As for the women, the children, the livestock and everything else in the city, you may take these as plunder for yourselves. And you may use the plunder the LORD your God gives you from your enemies. 15 This is how you are to treat all the cities that are at a distance from you and do not belong to the nations nearby. 16 However, in the cities of the nations the LORD your God is giving you as an inheritance, do not leave alive anything that breathes.
There is never a justification to beat someone into submission, to force them to work for you. There is no justification in murdering a young girl's parents and family, giving her a month to morn, shaving her head, etc, and then raping her. If she doesn't please, she can where she wants? WTH?
Male slaves, who have been set free, but don't want to leave their wives and children are forced into a lifetime of slavery!
There is no GOD behind this (biblical) culture. No God at all!
reply to post by windword
How am I "justifying" slavery?
I have been putting forward the proposition that the Biblical God did not want slavery and was trying to wean them off it.
The argument was that continued slavery was the product of human "hardness of heart".
That is not "justifying" slavery at all- exactly the opposite.
Why in the world would anyone want to fine tune brutality when it should be abolished?
I would call it "tolerating" slavery, at best, especially given the statement forbidding them to return slaves to their masters.
The israelite laws are fundamentally about the welfare of slaves and have NO laws demanding the return of fugiive slaves.
Can you not see how one is an improvement on the other?
When Christians began campaigning for the abolition of the slave trade and succeeded, they got the idea that slavery is a bad thing straight out of the Bible (as did you, indirectly). So it must be there after all.
"The israelite laws are fundamentally about the welfare of slaves and have NO laws demanding the return of fugiive slaves.
Can you not see how one is an improvement on the other? "
But don't tell me that GOD is responsible for a more human type of slavery than the competition and their gods.
".When Christians began campaigning for the abolition of the slave trade and succeeded, they got the idea that slavery is a bad thing straight out of the Bible".
You really shouldn't go there.
reply to post by DISRAELI
There is no god behind murder, rape and slavery. No god whatsoever.
What, so you're saying Bronze age magicians and goat herders aren't where modern man should be deriving his morality and ethics from *SMACKS KNEE* ahhhhhh......yeah.......
... saying that slavery will accepted to the point of having rules and guidelines set out in religious text's ? ...
What sort of God, religion, or human thinks that enslaving another human for their own benefit is somehow justifiable, let alone having any place in supposed religious texts ?
Slavery only benefits the slave owner. I wonder how much influence slave owners have had on religious text's over the years ?