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rigel4:

His Buddies from China have turned out not to be his buddies at all!

Here we go again with another swipe of isolationism at Putin. However, your opinion is in error, as China took the diplomatic route and stated the following...

China always sticks to the principle of non-interference in any country’s internal affairs and respects the independence, sovereignty, and territorial integrity of Ukraine. Meanwhile, we have also taken the historical and contemporary factors of the Ukraine issue into consideration.

China has not joined in on the sanctions, and abstained on the votes, both of which are diplomatic stances. China have not openly stated that they disagree or agree with the actions Putin took with regard to the Crimea, but the absence of Chinese sanctions and the abstaining on the votes does imply a condoning of the actions Putin took. Words by themselves do not indicate anything, but actions and non-actions are indicators, and the indications given are friendly.

reply to post by elysiumfire


Come back and try again after you have read and "Digested" the entire article.
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rigel4
Come back and try again after you have read and "Digested" the entire article.
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What is there to digest? An opinion piece about China that doesn't come from China?

China is going to do what best helps China. The bad news about that, is that China is just as interested in dismantling NATO as she is in dismantling Russia.

Phage
Since they did not vote in support of the referendum it would seem that they do not consider it to part of a legal framework.

I highly doubt that...they abstained from sanctions.

China is staying neutral in both directions.

reply to post by rigel4


I'm not sure Putin was needing or counting on any backing from the Chinese. His reckons his balls big enough to do whatever he feels like. If he doesngt care what the US says, why woud he care what China has to say? Russia is still a superpower and doesn't ask permission. Besides, we al know he's justified in his actions thus far considering the continuous encroachment of the West.

reply to post by peck420

China is staying neutral in both directions.

Correct. China is not backing Russia in Ukraine and has not since the beginning of the crisis. That's what I said.

reply to post by rigel4


Awesome, just like Russia did to Germany in WWII. Maybe Putin will invade China soon.

reply to post by Phage

China did not vote in support of the Crimean referendum, they did not support Russia's position. They are not backing Russia in Ukraine. Nor have they, from the beginning of the crisis. - See more at: www.abovetopsecret.com...

Well China had no problems backing Russias play in Syria or other 'plays' around the globe.

As someone said it is not what China says, but what they do.

Trueman
reply to post by rigel4

 

China not supporting Russia is China supporting USA. China can change side once USA jumps in. I'm tired of this charade. Nobody with a clear position ruling the world, just a bunch of gossipy hypocrat puppets.

edit on 28-3-2014 by Trueman because: (no reason given)

Wrong. China not supporting Russia is China not supporting Tibet. It was well known from the beginning that China will be against it because if they recognize Crimea, they have to recognize Tibet. Another official statement from China came a week ago and they said that they agree with Russian actions in the area.

reply to post by neo96

Well China had no problems backing Russias play in Syria or other 'plays' around the globe.

Yes. Interesting and telling.

The Syria vetos were somewhat different though. They were against imposing sanctions against Syria. The veto was an expression of neutrality.

This vote was on declaring the Crimean referendum invalid. Russia is far from neutral in this situation. To express support for Russia China would have to have voted against the Crimea resolution, to agree that the referendum was valid. They didn't do so.

peck420

Trueman
China not supporting Russia is China supporting USA?

China is supporting China. No more, no less.

According to me...., not entirely true. See, governments are not representing their countries anymore, they represent multinational corporations.

baburak

Trueman
reply to post by rigel4

 

China not supporting Russia is China supporting USA. China can change side once USA jumps in. I'm tired of this charade. Nobody with a clear position ruling the world, just a bunch of gossipy hypocrat puppets.

edit on 28-3-2014 by Trueman because: (no reason given)

Wrong. China not supporting Russia is China not supporting Tibet. It was well known from the beginning that China will be against it because if they recognize Crimea, they have to recognize Tibet. Another official statement from China came a week ago and they said that they agree with Russian actions in the area.

I don't know what Tibet has to do with this, anyway....., who's gonna force China to do something? ....who?

reply to post by elysiumfire


You are correct sir, appear to disagree when your kids want to play the X Box, yet hand them the controller as you walk out of the room.

China has much invested in the US, they know they'd be taking a huge risk to jump behind Russia and be the cheerleader.

SO they do it reallllll smooooothhhh like

reply to post by rigel4


Don't you think that China's hands are tied with this whole "people democratically controlling their own destiny" thing? If China agrees with Russia, then they are giving approval for perhaps Taiwan or even Tibet to break loose from their Commie grips. I believe that's why they abstained.

China is playing their own game and understands the implications of this entire situation.

China is cool on this.

Sanction Russia = Russia's goods go to China. EU goods go to China. Everyone wants to sell to China.

China doesn't really care about what's going in Crimea, they are only interested what they can buy and what they can sell.

I don't know why everyone is so suspicious of China, it really is straight up ignorance.

Sure China opposes the USA sometimes, sure the USA is a pain in China's rear on the Korean Peninsula, in regards to Taiwan even our support of Tibet

But realistically,when the economic games are done, when the political debates over communism vs capitalism are finished and it get's serious, serious to the point of fighting a "REAL WAR" China can do nothing else but side with the USA

Politics is the realm of those "Athenian Boy Lovers" (lol sorry) it's for the news, it's for diplomacy, it's to manipulate the people, for the daily news...

But when world changing war comes the Spartans on any side are in charge and they know full well, America vs China...there is zero in it for America, you can never occupy China and vice versa there is no win for China to fight America, god luck with those supply lines across and ocean holding a continent that is lush with guns and wilderness from both end it's a nightmare scenario with no actual gain

But then, just North of you if your China is Siberia, already occupied by 5 Million some odd Chinese migrant workers and nary a population of 7 Million Russians, rich in resources, your supply lines can be laid with ease your surging population of 1.5 Billion eager for new lands to exploit, no Navy to face, the help of the USA

So if your General Wong and your forced to choose a side by two idiotic nations, who do you turn your back on suddenly? Who do you choose to remove from your life? weaken forever? The guy next door, who's house you get to keep, who's riches you can steal, the land you can hold forever and ever OR the Nut across an ocean where your troops will be starved where the cost of leading your troops will bankrupt your nation in a location you will never actually posses?

And lets face it... a "surprise" strike on the USA a crippling blow when those missiles have to cross a vast distance vs shooting the guy next to you in the back... the choice is obvious, America just isn't an actual threat by geography, Siberia is a ripe fruit for the picking, what you do... is assure your borders expand.

There is just no gain for China, to expend it's riches attempting to occupy a far away land... however, the superpower on your border being gone is gigantic, it's everything, it's the Gas, the oil, diamonds, Billions of acres of empty land that can be expanded by rail and road. One war is a civilization killer the other almost assures global dominance. No one wants Russia on it's border if it can be avoided lol.

I agree with a couple of other posters, China's actions have everything to do with Tibet and Taiwan and staying neutral was the only available course of action.

If China had gone against Russia then that would have put China in a bad position regarding Tibet. If China had supported Crimea joining Russia then that puts them in a bad position regarding Taiwan.

All they really could do was stay out of it and talk about historical ties and respect for "internal matters."

reply to post by rigel4

Putin is entirely Isolated.

Putin is also hopelessly out maneuvered by the West and China.

This does not appear to be the case from what I've been reading. Talk and speculation are one thing but look at the financials. China is playing the middle ground.

With the Chinese President's first trip to Europe, as WSJ reports, western leaders are hoping to enlist his support over the crisis in Ukraine. However, privately, European diplomats concede that China's relationship with Russia remains solid and that was evidenced by their most recent investment in Russia's $10bn state-backed Direct Investment Fund (which just happens to be run by a former Goldman Sachs banker. It seems "money talks" once again and China will likely continue to play the middle ground Link

I think we all knew full well it is the west who feeds hungry china

Not Russia, they no stupid



The actions of a desperate man have come back to haunt him, and it's not even over yet, good luck mr Putin and good luck Russia in ousting your mafia run government

Bassago
reply to post by rigel4

 

Putin is entirely Isolated.

Putin is also hopelessly out maneuvered by the West and China.

This does not appear to be the case from what I've been reading. Talk and speculation are one thing but look at the financials. China is playing the middle ground.

Really?

Why would China want a strong Russia as a neighbour ?

At the same time be biting the hand that feeds them?

Just not logical is it?

Sure talk and speculation is all I've seen regarding China position but the fact is China has turned it's back on Russia on many occasions concerning Ukraine, and the only support Russia is getting is coming from Syria, Iran & North Korea

Not a good look really is it?