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reply to post by Xcathdra
Good point about the timing.
And he couldn't explain it, you're right. His hypocrisy and agenda are very transparent. But wouldn't you just love to see him try?
peck420
reply to post by the2ofusr1
If you were given the chance to hold a referendum in Canada, would you take it?
peck420
The irony here, is that if this becomes a trend...
NA and EU will be ripped apart.
peck420
Russia has a much more stable 'ethnic' claim to a much larger area then anything we do.
If anything, this issue is kind of exposing the hypocrisy of both sides.
Russian 77.7%, Tatar 3.7%, Ukrainian 1.4%, Bashkir 1.1%, Chuvash 1%, Chechen 1%, other 10.2%, unspecified 3.9% (2010 est.)
Xcathdra
An interesting point... Do you think European nations would be more agreeable than Russia would when it comes to special status of large groups of ethnic minorities?
Is it they are more stable or is it possible that it seems stable because of the size of Russia and the remoteness when going east? Its possible to have a large ethnic group concentrated in central / east Russia that appears stable because there is not a direct conflict between those ethnic groups and the local government?
peck420
reply to post by the2ofusr1
If you were given the chance to hold a referendum in Canada, would you take it?
Xcathdra
Quebec Canada sovereignty movement.
Have you considered the possibility that the ethnic groups in those countries are ok with their specific needs coexisting with the government?
Just because they are not rioting to hold a referendum does not mean they are being suppressed by the government of those nations.
yes? no?
peck420
No, they won't. Neither will my country (Canada) or yours (USA).
peck420
They are more stable today due to the brutality of their past. The majority of counter claimants are long dead.
Do you think Tartars should be allowed to hold their own referendum and to from an independent nation on land in Crimea?
Xcathdra
The United Kingdom as well as the US recognize certain aspects of Sharia law in their judicial systems. 1st nations in Alaska have their own legal system that deals with punishment that would not be allowed in a Federal / State court.
Puerto Rico has held several referendums to determine if they want to change their status with the US - Independent / as is / statehood / commonwealth.
This next go around is actually being funded by the federal government.
This comment, imo, undermines your statement about stability. Unless I am misunderstanding what you are saying, you stated Russia ethnic minorities are more stable because they were eventually conquered and whipped into submission.
Generally, stability does not come from oppression.
Or am I not understanding what you are saying?
peck420
Be prepared to see a very different side of the Canadian government if that referendum (we are do for another soon) actually passes.
It is one thing to hold a referendum, a completely different thing to honour the outcome.
peck420
See the post directly below yours. I don't think First Nations would hesitate if given the chance.
zilebeliveunknown
I see propaganda is alive and well.
By asking this question you therefore silently aproved that holding the referendum in Crimea was a legitimate move by Crimean authorities.
In other words, you shot your self in the foot.
Thank you.
peck420
This is a far cry from allowing and upholding a referendum that will break your country apart...as Crimea to Ukraine.
peck420
No, I am saying that Russia has a much more stable ethnic Russian population because they killed most of the ethnic minorities in the past.
Xcathdra
A bit premature to assume how the Canadian government would react. Secondly, if they would not honor it then why allow them to have the referendum at all? Unless you think Canada would behave in the same manner as Russia with the Crimean vote?
What would happen if the larger ethnic groups inside Russia wanted to hold a referendum and split from Russia? would Putin allow it?
I keep bringing this up because Putin's justifications are not supported by his actions. I truly believe the referendum self determination vibe he gives off is an excuse to justify taking Crimea. I want putin to put his money where his mouth is and demonstrate he is serious by allowing those groups within Russia the same "opportunity" he applied to Crimea / Ukraine.
That's just it though, they have that choice. Inside the US are over 100 sovereign Indian nations. They deal directly with the Federal government (BIA is the interface) and they set the terms for dealing with State governments.
I doubt it based on the effect of hard feelings and confined spaces. Crimea is just not that big, so even if each ethnicity got their own area, they are so close that it would be very easy for conflict to erupt among them.
Would that type of setup work in Crimea and why?