Antichrist = Nero Ceasar = 666
Without a doubt, the word of God proves that the antichrist will be nero who comes up out of the bottomless pit.
YOUR ASSUMPTION, which I wil prove is incorrect
18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred
threescore and six.
The whole chapter is talking about the beast and then the last verse ( 18 )
it says that the number of the beast is the number of a man.
" MANS NUMBER"
In other words it is saying the beast is a man.
No, that is what you are saying in "YOUR OWN WORDS"
Now lets go to chapter 17:8
8 The beast (man)that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth
shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast (man)
Wrong, Men do not come back from the "Grave" Heb 9:27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die , but after this the judgment:
The Angel then says that the beast (man)IT DOES NOT SAY THAT, YOU ARE SAYING THAT
was( before AD 96 when the Angel was telling him this) , is
not ( is dead in AD 96 when the Angel is telling him this), and he SHALL ( future tense) ASCEND OUT OF THE BOTTOMLESS PIT.
Men Go To The Grave, Not The Bottomless Pit
Job 7:9 As the cloud is consumed and vanisheth away: so he that goeth down to the grave shall come up no more.
Job 21:13 They spend their days in wealth, and in a moment go down to the grave.
Ps 55:15 Let death seize upon them, and let them go down quick into hell: for wickedness is in their dwellings, and among them.
Ps 89:48 What man is he that liveth, and shall not see death? shall he deliver his soul from the hand of the grave? Selah.
Re 20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged
every(ALL) man according to their works. [hell: or, the grave] There is "NO" mention whatsoever of "MAN" coming up out of the "Bottomless
Pit" before the JUDGMENT.
Since you say a MAN. "NERO" will come out of the Bottomless Pit, Please POST "ONE" VERSE ANYWHERE in the Bible that Shows a Man
in the bottomless pit. I have given you several that "CLEARLY" show that MAN goes back to the DUST, and to the "GRAVE"
I will take this even further and "CLEARLY" show that it is "SPIRITS" that occupy the Bottomless Pit
Satan is a "SPIRIT" and will be cast into the Bottomless Pit
Re 20:1 ¶ And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. Only Fallen Angels and
Wicked "SPIRITS" are "CHAINED" and cast into the Bottomless Pit
(Jude 1:6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath " reserved in everlasting chains"
darkness unto the judgment of the great day.)
2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3 And cast him into the bottomless pit,
and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the
thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
Certainly These are not MEN coming out of the Bottomless Pit, They are "SPIRIT BEINGS"
AGAIN, NO mention whatsoever of any MEN COMING OUT !
1 ¶ And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth: and to him was given the key of the bottomless pit.
2 And he opened the bottomless pit; and there arose a smoke out of the pit, as the smoke of a great furnace; and the sun and the air were darkened by
reason of the smoke of the pit.
3 And there came out of the smoke locusts upon the earth: and unto them was given power, as the scorpions of the earth have power.
4 And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which
have not the seal of God in their foreheads.
5 And to them it was given that they should not kill them, but that they should be tormented five months: and their torment was as the torment of a
scorpion, when he striketh a man.
6 And in those days shall men seek death, and shall not find it; and shall desire to die, and death shall flee from them.
7 And the shapes of the locusts were like unto horses prepared unto battle; and on their heads were as it were crowns like gold, and their faces were
as the faces of men.
8 And they had hair as the hair of women, and their teeth were as the teeth of lions.
9 And they had breastplates, as it were breastplates of iron; and the sound of their wings was as the sound of chariots of many horses running to
10 And they had tails like unto scorpions, and there were stings in their tails: and their power was to hurt men five months.
11 And they had a king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath
his name Apollyon. [Apollyon: that is to say, A destroyer]
12 One woe is past; and, behold, there come two woes more hereafter.
13 ¶ And the sixth angel sounded, and I heard a voice from the four horns of the golden altar which is before God,
14 Saying to the sixth angel which had the trumpet, Loose the four angels which are bound in the great river Euphrates.
15 And the four angels were loosed, which were prepared for an hour, and a day, and a month, and a year, for to slay the third part of men. [for an
hour: or, at an hour]
16 And the number of the army of the horsemen were two hundred thousand thousand: and I heard the number of them.
17 And thus I saw the horses in the vision, and them that sat on them, having breastplates of fire, and of jacinth, and brimstone: and the heads of
the horses were as the heads of lions; and out of their mouths issued fire and smoke and brimstone.
18 By these three was the third part of men killed, by the fire, and by the smoke, and by the brimstone, which issued out of their mouths.
19 For their power is in their mouth, and in their tails: for their tails were like unto serpents, and had heads, and with them they do hurt
Kings are people , not spirits "WRONG"
Re 9:11 And they had a "KING" over them
, which is the "ANGEL" (A Spirit Being)
of the bottomless pit, whose name in
the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon. [Apollyon: that is to say, A destroyer]
WHAT ARE THE FACTS?
FACT 1 - THE ANGEL SAID THE BEAST IS THE NUMBER OF A MAN REV 13:18
FACT 2 - HE WAS ALIVE BEFORE THE ANGEL WAS TALKING TO JOHN , BUT NOT ALIVE WHILE THE ANGEL WAS TALKING TO JOHN,"WRONG"
Re 17:8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on
the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and
is not,and yet is (This means this Beast never ceased to exist) .
AND IS GONNA ASCEND OUT OF THE BOTTOMLESS PIT ( FUTURE TENSE ). AND THEIR CONVERSATION TOOK PLACE IN A.D.96
FACT 3 - HE WILL BE THE EIGHTH KING AND WILL BE ONE OF THE FORMER SEVEN KINGS. WHICH THE ONLY WAY THAT CAN HAPPEN IS IF YOU COME BACK FROM THE DEAD OR
THE BOTTOMLESS PIT WHICH IS WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS IS GONNA HAPPEN.
Nero Caesar in aramaic is spelled NRON KSR. Aramaic letters have numeral values like roman numerals.
"The preterist takes a relatively uncommon form of Nero's name, Nero Cæsar or Cæsar Nero, and adds an "n", resulting in Neron Cæsar. Next the
Latin is transliterated into Aramaic, resulting in nrwn qsr, which when using the numeric equivalent of the letters, then adds up to 666 as
Nun = 50
Resh = 200
Waw = 6
Nun = 50
Qoph = 100
Samech = 60
Resh = 200
An example of this spelling has apparently been recently discovered in one of the Dead Sea scrolls. (If you use the same process, but without the
added "n" the result is 616. Interestingly, some early manuscripts of the Bible have 616 rather than 666, but even scholars such as Irenæus
attribute the 616 to only a copyist error.)
There is a problem though with the above calculation. According to the rules of Jewish numerology, known as gematria, when the letter Nun appears a
second time in a word, it is known as a "Final", and takes the value of 700.* So to be precise, NRWN QSR actually adds up to .1316 and not
BILL GATES III = 666 Also, So that means nothing
What do we know about the antichrist?
He had to be alive BEFORE AD 96 and nero was
He had to be dead in AD 96 and nero was
He had to be one of the fallen kings BEFORE AD 96 and nero was
His name has to add up to 666 in Aramaic which was Johns native language and neros does
The bible says that the antichrist is healed of a fatal head wound and nero had committed suicide with a sword to the neck. "WRONG" which verse
says the Beast was wounded to the HEAD ? please post that verse, If this was the deadly wound that was healed please tell me when it was healed, when
the "Whole World Wondered After Him, When Nero Caused "ALL" to recieve A MARK ?
The bible says he will come out of the bottomless pit
nero is considered to be the most cruel dictator who has ever lived.
I have posted several verses that show (1) Men Go To The Grave
(2) Spirits And Angels Occupy The Bottomless Pit
(3) You have not provided "ONE" verse that backs up your Claim.
It is totally "YOUR OPINION" and you don't have "ONE" verse to back it up.
If I am wrong, then POST the verses that back up your Claim.
I am CERTAIN, without any doubt whatsoever that you cannot find "ONE" verse to back you up, It doesn't exist. PROVE ME WRONG, POST JUST ONE
[edit on 26-11-2004 by Lastday Prophet]