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Contrails form when hot humid air from jet exhaust mixes with environmental air of low vapor pressure and low temperature. Vapor pressure is just a fancy term for the amount of pressure that is exerted by water vapor itself (as opposed to atmospheric, or barometric, pressure which is due to the weight of the entire atmosphere above you). The mixing occurs directly behind the plane due to the turbulence generated by the engine. If condensation (conversion from a gas to a liquid) occurs, then a contrail becomes visible. Since air temperatures at these high atmospheric levels are very cold (generally colder than -40 F), only a small amount of liquid is necessary for condensation to occur. Water is a normal byproduct of combustion in engines.
I don't agree with the idea that they're behind our problem here. I provided a link in the Info Links, an email interview with an anonymous purported chemtrail scientist. I found him VERY credible, though he never mentions hydrogen sulfide or methane. But if you carefully investigate the things he recommends you investigate, you will fall into a very deep rabbit hole.
I believe the first evidence that this problem was creeping toward us was in the early-to-mid 1980s, when Lake Nyos (I think that's the name) bubbled up some gas suddenly and killed 1700 people in a village nearby, in Cameroon, a kind of microcosm of the problem as it is today. That was obviously quite a long time before there were any chemtrails. I think when 'they' saw that, they knew that this extinction event was upon us and that's when they began to investigate the possibility of chemtrails as a mitigation tactic. This same extinction event has happened a number of times, and it is only THIS time that humans are around for it, so I think it's overly humancentric to think we've had much to do with it, other than trying to survive it.
That doesn't mean I think chemtrails are safe! Heck no! Read that interview. That scientist said that some estimates were that as many as 2+ BILLION people might die from the chemtrails themselves! And if that's what HELPS with the problem, then just how bad is the PROBLEM?! Pretty effing bad, that's how bad. Slow poisoning from nanoparticles of aluminum oxide and barium oxide, or fast poisoning from hydrogen sulfide (along with raging fires and fierce explosions), I guess that was the choice. Horrible choice!
And that's why 'they' won't tell us what's happening: the first duty of any government is 'protect the people'. Yet what happens when they CAN'T protect the people? Then it looks like they build some 'continuity of government' facilities, pass some 'mass fatality' legislation, and keep people oblivious for as long as possible.
Meanwhile, the Earth doesn't care about any of that, and we are being systematically wiped out, and it is escalating. Someday, people are going to wake up - that's inevitable - and then we will have to face this threat head-on.
I have a question. I am not a scientist, so this may sound stupid, but I have to ask.
What if we pumped ozone into the atmosphere? I worked for a scientist that invented the ozone machine. I worked for him back in the 80's. He had invented a way for planes to put ozone into the atmosphere, and the government seized that work and classified it, and he was no longer allowed to pursue that area of work.
I use ozone to this day in my home to kill molds and bacteria. Would ozone in the home have any effect on these gasses if they were to enter the home, ozone is O3, until it destabilizes to 02. How would sulfide react to 03?
Yes, ozone helps! It reacts away hydrogen sulfide: O3 + H2S --> H2O + O2 + S.
I have three ozone generators going constantly. I don't wanna be seen as promoting any particular product, and I own no stock in ozone generators (or anything else), but ozone generators are a good idea. That should help eliminate any H2S that infiltrates your home. If your clothes or cardboard boxes or books have absorbed any, it should help there too.
Interesting about the planes generating ozone being classified. That's a big problem, how to create ozone in the upper atmosphere. It's so incredibly reactive that it's basically impossible to transport, so it has to be created where you need it. I suspect that's partly what chemtrails and HAARP are for: to generate electrical arcs in the stratosphere, which would create ozone there. If planes could create it too, all the better!
I don't really know about chemtrails, but I do see the giant checkerboards in the sky, and I did mention a proposed reason for that. You ever look at the screen in your microwave? Grid pattern, to slow/stop radiation leakage. So yeah, I do think 'they' are trying some stuff, to buy us a bit of time if nothing else. Doesn't matter to the hypothesis though. If they're not trying any protective measures then we'll just die a little faster. And I don't think they can SPRAY ozone. But I didn't know about any classified ozone-generating planes before either, so who knows. I hope they ARE trying stuff to protect us, being one of those don't-wanna-die-sooner-than-necessary type of people. Heh.
I can't believe I overlooked this post! Brilliant!
I have, at least a dozen times over, mentioned this same reasoning in chemtrail threads for years now. Not tying in ozone...never made that connection before, but just material which will reflect the solar radiance back into space. I've intuited for a long time that AGW is much worse than it seems to be. It's well known among climatologists that the models are rather conservative. I've intuited that they don't properly understand the feedback mechanisms, and how they all interact, to properly assess the rate at which changes will occur.
We're actually much closer in our reasoning than you may think. I simply think we have at least a decade before civilization is challenged. That's all. I think these releases seem ginormous, but am thinking it's not much in comparison to what is actually down there. It won't all bubble up at once. Just as the arctic breaks off in chunks over many years, so too will these methane plumes be released over the years and decades.
I think the fastest we'll have to worry about civilization collapsing is maybe 2025, and the latest maybe 2045. Until then, I'm staying in a keto-adapted state, already stocked up on minerals, vitamins, and lard, and have a private lake house in a gated community ready to inhabit.
Please note that coverage and aircraft visibility is dependent of many parameters including aircraft type, aircraft transponder type, aircraft altitude and terrain so coverage is different for different aircraft. If an aircraft you are looking for is not visible on Flightradar24 it either does not have correct transponder or it's out of Flightradar24 coverage.
seeker1963
reply to post by Rezlooper
BUT!!!!!! If the purposes are for good reasons then why hide them? Why the secrecy? If this ladies observations are accurate, then I would say something is wrong with this picture!
Then again, someone may use the argument that well maybe the governments are paranoid about telling us the truth? That would lead me to believe that they have done so many "dirty/wrong" things that telling the truth would STILL make them look like liars!
Why hide something that is for good or for the sake of saving humanity, unless by admitting it, you (governments) would also be admitting that your aggressiveness toward world domination was responsible for creating the problem?
I am not 100% sure by any means. Just trying to be a devils advocate, being that I am one individual on this planet whom does not believe much at all that comes out of the mouths of those whom are in power....
This is a video on You Tube made by a woman who films a bunch of chemtrails being created in her sky and what is interesting is that she films a plane flying over her home and at the same time films a live shot of Flightradar24 page which is supposed to show each plane in the air. There is no plane on the radar in the sky above her area as she films the plane creating a chemtrail. - See more at: www.abovetopsecret.com...
InhaleExhale
reply to post by Rezlooper
This is a video on You Tube made by a woman who films a bunch of chemtrails being created in her sky and what is interesting is that she films a plane flying over her home and at the same time films a live shot of Flightradar24 page which is supposed to show each plane in the air. There is no plane on the radar in the sky above her area as she films the plane creating a chemtrail. - See more at: www.abovetopsecret.com...
So flight radar 24 is supposed to show every plane flying or can some flights maybe not be logged on the site?
Rezlooper
They don't tell us because they are afraid of mass-panic if we knew our very existence was threatened, so they keep us in the dark while they try to fix it, IMO of course.
jaws1975
reply to post by network dude
Any comments about the video that was presented? I'll start, I wish the lady would have gone back to the flight radar when she saw the planes that weren't leaving a persistent trail, to see if they were showing on radar. It also bugged me that at the beginning of the video in big letters it said watch the whole video, I did and there was nothing to see in the last 2/3 rds of the video.
Zaphod58
reply to post by Biigs
How do you think air traffic control radar works? The biggest part of ATC radar is Secondary, which relies on transponder signals to locate the aircraft. Which is why when the transponder is turned off the plane becomes extremely hard to track.
Air traffic control - standard international practice is to monitor airspace using two radar systems: primary and secondary.
Primary radar -based on the earliest form of radar developed in the 1930s, detects and measures the approximate position of aircraft using reflected radio signals. It does this whether or not the subject wants to be tracked. Secondary radar, which relies on targets being equipped with a transponder, also requests additional information from the aircraft - such as its identity and altitude.
All commercial aircraft are equipped with transponders (an abbreviation of "transmitter responder"), which automatically transmit a unique four-digit code when they receive a radio signal sent by radar.
The code gives the plane's identity and radar stations go on to establish speed and direction by monitoring successive transmissions. This flight data is then relayed to air traffic controllers.
However, once an aircraft is more than 240km (150 miles) out to sea, radar coverage fades and air crew keep in touch with air traffic control and other aircraft using high-frequency radio.