After Ego Death, Then What?

onequestion
After experiencing the death of your ego what is the next step? With desire to manifest then what becomes of your life? What is direction?

I don't understand whats suppose to come after ego death, just exist?

Is anyone else experiencing this?

You should give Alan Watts a listen. While he does classify himself as an entertainer, I find that he is a very well balanced soul that doesn't fall at the teet of any religion, rather he takes what makes most sense from them all and apply that to life.

Listening to his talks (rants for some) is quite comforting, and that combined with having tried tripping on mushrooms, really has put my ego down quite a bit, and it most certainly cured my fear of dying, as in the term of how religion would like us to think dying is.

That whole "before enlightenment… after enlightenment" that was posted is quite great. As Watts says in one of his lectures… it's not that something suddenly changes or you change, it's about finally "seeing" and understanding.
Understanding that you are the same as everything around you that you are not seperate from everything else and that you at this moment is just something that the universe is doing like a wave is something that an ocean is doing.

"Ego" is merely an operating system that pilots this vessel of a body that we get to travel in for a brief moment of 75 years. It's for recreational use only…… which makes it even more laughable that so many people are spending the ride, thinking about how much material wealth they can obtain before the ride is over.

Just be.. and be good to others, that's the vessels natural state. Disturbances in the vibrations of energy that make up your operating system only occur because you fall out of tune with what is the natural state… desire makes irregular vibrations.

I think that was what the very first original message, which later became several different religions, was trying to tell us.

Too bad there are always some who will use the message to wash the minds of others instead of just living it themselves.
That's the whole point you see……. religion was not meant to be taught. It was meant to be lived, because the ways of compassion and love is our neutral and natural state. Everything beyond that is either forced upon you or caused by desire.

reply to post by BDBinc

The SS- officers were not taught ego death , that isnt ego death. That is conditioning the egoic mind to self indentify with the SS , this is done in many institutions and harm is still being done today .The ego is still there and identifys with the group, group orders are thought to be primary and not to be questioned this become habitual and you get sleeping people acting out unconscious horrors under the power of a few men driven by will to power. (You wondered about resent the influx of zoombie movies? ) - See more at: www.abovetopsecret.com...

Except that he read and quoted from the Bhagavad Gita, which he carried in his pocket, utilizing eastern mysticism and yogic principles in an attempt to fortify the SS for genocide and torture.

No, after ego death is a reset or rebirth, with a whole new respect for just about everything and everyone. We seriously do not realize how influential, powerful, and detrimental the ego can be, particularly those with the most overblown ones.

Aphorism
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The SS- officers were not taught ego death , that isnt ego death. That is conditioning the egoic mind to self indentify with the SS , this is done in many institutions and harm is still being done today .The ego is still there and identifys with the group, group orders are thought to be primary and not to be questioned this become habitual and you get sleeping people acting out unconscious horrors under the power of a few men driven by will to power. (You wondered about resent the influx of zoombie movies? ) - See more at: www.abovetopsecret.com...

Except that he read and quoted from the Bhagavad Gita, which he carried in his pocket, utilizing eastern mysticism and yogic principles in an attempt to fortify the SS for genocide and torture.

The teachings of Gita and the principles of yoga were not used to make the secret service man identify with the group and do as they were told by 'a superior' .
I explained the way ego identifies with group, genocide and torture continues today.

onequestion
After experiencing the death of your ego what is the next step? With desire to manifest then what becomes of your life? What is direction?

I don't understand whats suppose to come after ego death, just exist?

Is anyone else experiencing this?

Is anyone else experiencing what? Misunderstanding?

First of all you need the right approach to such a question. It is a personal issue, not an impersonal one. So, bearing this in mind, you should ask:

"After experiencing the death of my ego, what is the next step? With desire to manifest, then what becomes of my life? How would I find direction?

It is not a philosophical question in reality, it is an existential one. If you believe the ego exists, that is. If it does exist, and it appears you believe it does, what part of you is aware of its existence? Obviously, there must be some awareness that is separate or transcends the state of ego.

Projecting imagination beyond the death of this so-called ego is jumping the gun somewhat. Surely the first step is to identify the ego. This means that the awareness which has identified the ego as something separate has to grow and be unceasingly vigilant. It must be stalked like a skittish wild animal you are hunting. After all, this ego must be a master of survival to have run the show in your bodymind for so long without detection.

Now that you have detected that such a phenomenon exists, what is its nature? How does it function? Where did it come from? How and when does it operate? What is its purpose?

These are the real questions you should ask before you imagine what your life would be like once you have hypothetically killed it orf.

Who knows? It might turn out to be the best friend you ever had.

reply to post by Aphorism


It is also true that Joseph Stalin and Mao Zedong of China were Atheist and they were responsible for the deaths of somewhere between 60 and 100 million people.

What is your point?

reply to post by Kashai

It is also true that Joseph Stalin and Mao Zedong of China were Atheist and they were responsible for the deaths of somewhere between 60 and 100 million people.

What is your point?

What does atheism have to do with ego-death? What is your point?

reply to post by BDBinc

The teachings of Gita and the principles of yoga were not used to make the secret service man identify with the group and do as they were told by 'a superior' .
I explained the way ego identifies with group, genocide and torture continues today.

I never said they were made to identify with the group. You can look at my post to see what I did say.

Aphorism
reply to post by BDBinc

 

The teachings of Gita and the principles of yoga were not used to make the secret service man identify with the group and do as they were told by 'a superior' .
I explained the way ego identifies with group, genocide and torture continues today.

I never said they were made to identify with the group. You can look at my post to see what I did say.

I carefully quoted you on each post so as to clear up the confusion as egoic mind conditioning is not ego -death.

reply to post by Aphorism


Without life after death the ego dies and there in as much it does relate.

Especially to those 60 to 100 million people.

There egos were not that important and in relation to another way of looking at it.

The concept of ego death in respect to the proverbial, "Storm trooper" has been practiced throughout history.

It relates more to following a leader blindly, simply stated.

reply to post by onequestion


I do not think the ego really ever dies, after death it continues to learn and develop.

Any thoughts?

reply to post by onequestion


Next implies a continuity. That is enough really. Don't quantify existence. Step out of time. Walk towards your north always. Follow your north star. Pick a point and keep to it. Its wonderful to know where you are going. Especially when you are lost. It helps to keep you to true north when you get too confident in your step and take for granted the path before you.

If you do fall again...when you do.....it picks you back up.

Makes you realize that its no different then the first moment.

You are always in the first moment... remember.

reply to post by Kashai

Without life after death the ego dies and there in as much it does relate.

Especially to those 60 to 100 million people.

There egos were not that important and in relation to another way of looking at it.

The concept of ego death in respect to the proverbial, "Storm trooper" has been practiced throughout history.

It relates more to following a leader blindly, simply stated.

It would be difficult to say that Stalin actively promoted the views you are saying he held. I'm not sure if he preached to his soldiers about the unimportance of human life, that there is no afterlife and other such notions, more so than he promoted his Stalinism and nationalism. Saying the deaths that occurred during his reign are because of his atheism would be a stretch, although state atheism does lead to atrocities. He reigned atop a cult of personality, which is not unlike religion.

Himmler, however, actively read from Hindu holy books to his SS.

If there is no afterlife, it would mean our lives are more precious knowing that souls end. If there was an afterlife, we wouldn't have to worry, knowing that souls persist no matter what we do to their bodies.

Aphorism
reply to post by Kashai

 

Without life after death the ego dies and there in as much it does relate.

Especially to those 60 to 100 million people.

There egos were not that important and in relation to another way of looking at it.

The concept of ego death in respect to the proverbial, "Storm trooper" has been practiced throughout history.

It relates more to following a leader blindly, simply stated.

It would be difficult to say that Stalin actively promoted the views you are saying he held. I'm not sure if he preached to his soldiers about the unimportance of human life, that there is no afterlife and other such notions, more so than he promoted his Stalinism and nationalism. Saying the deaths that occurred during his reign are because of his atheism would be a stretch, although state atheism does lead to atrocities. He reigned atop a cult of personality, which is not unlike religion.

Himmler, however, actively read from Hindu holy books to his SS.

If there is no afterlife, it would mean our lives are more precious knowing that souls end. If there was an afterlife, we wouldn't have to worry, knowing that souls persist no matter what we do to their bodies.

Religion

Main article: Religion in the Soviet Union

Raised in the Georgian Orthodox faith, Stalin became an atheist. He followed the position that religion was an opiate that needed to be removed in order to construct the ideal communist society. His government promoted atheism through special atheistic education in schools, anti-religious propaganda, the antireligious work of public institutions (Society of the Godless), discriminatory laws, and a terror campaign against religious believers. By the late 1930s it had become dangerous to be publicly associated with religion.[96]

Stalin's role in the fortunes of the Russian Orthodox Church is complex. Continuous persecution in the 1930s resulted in its near-extinction as a public institution: by 1939, active parishes numbered in the low hundreds (down from 54,000 in 1917), many churches had been leveled, and tens of thousands of priests, monks and nuns were persecuted and killed. Over 100,000 were shot during the purges of 1937–1938.[97][98] During World War II, the Church was allowed a revival as a patriotic organization, and thousands of parishes were reactivated until a further round of suppression during Khrushchev's rule. The Russian Orthodox Church Synod's recognition of the Soviet government and of Stalin personally led to a schism with the Russian Orthodox Church Outside Russia.

Just days before Stalin's death, certain religious sects were outlawed and persecuted. Many religions popular in ethnic regions of the Soviet Union, including the Roman Catholic Church, Eastern Catholic Churches, Baptists, Islam, Buddhism, and Judaism underwent ordeals similar to that which the Orthodox churches in other parts of the country suffered: thousands of monks were persecuted, and hundreds of churches, synagogues, mosques, temples, sacred monuments, monasteries and other religious buildings were razed. Stalin had a different policy outside the Soviet Union; he supported the Communist Uyghur Muslim separatists under Ehmetjan Qasim in the Ili Rebellion against the Anti Communist Republic of China regime. He supplied weapons to the Uyghur Ili army and Red Army support against Chinese forces, and helped them establish the Second East Turkestan Republic of which Islam was the official state religion.

Stalin

Wow all I did was press "enter" by mistake and got three duplicates....

Any way Aphorism you should read more.

Double post

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Yes. State atheism does lead to atrocities, as I said. Revolutionary Mexico is another example. This is exactly how something as meaningless as atheism can become a religion.

From the same Wiki:

Stalin created a cult of personality in the Soviet Union around both himself and Lenin. Many personality cults in history have been frequently measured and compared to his. Numerous towns, villages and cities were renamed after the Soviet leader (see List of places named after Stalin) and the Stalin Prize and Stalin Peace Prize were named in his honor. He accepted grandiloquent titles (e.g., "Coryphaeus of Science," "Father of Nations," "Brilliant Genius of Humanity," "Great Architect of Communism," "Gardener of Human Happiness," and others), and helped rewrite Soviet history to provide himself a more significant role in the revolution of 1917. At the same time, according to Nikita Khrushchev, he insisted that he be remembered for "the extraordinary modesty characteristic of truly great people."[28] Statues of Stalin depict him at a height and build approximating the very tall Tsar Alexander III, while photographic evidence suggests he was between 5 ft 5 in and 5 ft 6 in (165–168 cm).[29]

Trotsky criticized the cult of personality built around Stalin. It reached new levels during World War II, with Stalin's name included in the new Soviet national anthem. Stalin became the focus of literature, poetry, music, paintings and film that exhibited fawning devotion. He was sometimes credited with almost god-like qualities, including the suggestion that he single-handedly won the Second World War. The degree to which Stalin himself relished the cult surrounding him is debatable. The Finnish communist Arvo Tuominen records a sarcastic toast proposed by Stalin at a New Year Party in 1935 in which he said "Comrades! I want to propose a toast to our Patriarch, life and sun, liberator of nations, architect of socialism [he rattled off all the appellations applied to him in those days] – Josef Vissarionovich Stalin, and I hope this is the first and last speech made to that genius this evening."[30]

In a 1956 speech, Nikita Khrushchev denounced Stalin's cult of personality with these words: "It is impermissible and foreign to the spirit of Marxism-Leninism to elevate one person, to transform him into a superman possessing supernatural characteristics akin to those of a god."

reply to post by Aphorism

Religions are poems. They concert
our daylight and dreaming mind, our
emotions, instinct, breath and native gesture

into the only whole thinking: poetry.
Nothing's said till it's dreamed out in words
and nothing's true that figures in words only.

A poem, compared with an arrayed religion,
may be like a soldier's one short marriage night
to die and live by. But that is a small religion.

Full religion is the large poem in loving repetition;
like any poem, it must be inexhaustible and complete
with turns where we ask Now why did the poet do that?

You can't pray a lie, said Huckleberry Finn;
you can't poem one either. It is the same mirror:
mobile, glancing, we call it poetry,

fixed centrally, we call it a religion,
and God is the poetry caught in any religion,
caught, not imprisoned. Caught as in a mirror

that he attracted, being in the world as poetry
is in the poem, a law against its closure.
There'll always be religion around while there is poetry

or a lack of it. Both are given, and intermittent,
as the action of those birds - crested pigeon, rosella parrot -
who fly with wings shut, then beating, and again shut.


Les Murray

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Any thoughts friend?

Kashai
reply to post by onequestion

 

I do not think the ego really ever dies, after death it continues to learn and develop.

Any thoughts?

Ego is like a seed. When it is exposed to the right conditions one could say it dies but only to give birth to the potential it contained within its hard woody shell. I believe this is what Jesus meant when he talked about the mustard seed.

The ego is the psychic backbone so it is necessary if you want to function and get by in the world where other ego's are at work. I would think being conscious and redeveloping the ego - If it "dies" then it also must be reborn so simply being conscious since the initial formation happened under unconscious conditions. Wouldn't it be nice if we could all be enlightened and then walk through life consciously? I would like to experience a world like that and it was the only reason I watched the 2012 thing:-). Can always hope.