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Originally posted by Fighting Kentuctian
It was created as a communist organization by communists to be used as a future world gov't.
It does not make peace, but in fact makes wars.
The worst part I see about the atheist UN is their thoughts on human rights.
Here in the US, we have natural rights that were given to us by GOD, and therefore can not be taken away from any gov't period.
Originally posted by MrNice
The problem with the arguments that the U.N. is actually capable of making a morale decision is the problem of moral equivalency. Many of the members of the U.N. (a majority of them in fact) do not have representative governments. Thus, these member nations do not represent their populations (because their populations have no say in their governments are in many cases slaves to their governments). Instead, we are dealing with a small group of thieves and thugs but the U.N. makes it appear as though we are working with governments.
The U.N. allows dictatorships to be elevated to the moral level of a democracy or republic. This is its basic flaw. It needs to be dissolved and a League of Democracies be established. If your government is a representative form of government then you can join, otherwise get bent.
Originally posted by devilwasp
if the UN was so ineffective then why has it been spurred on by the US ?
why was the UN task force in GW1 not scrutinised?
it was fine when it worked for your government BUT when it goes against it then its bad.
any here notice the propaganda being spun by the US gov?
Originally posted by jukyu
I find the comment about the U.S. as a rogue state not following the UN laughable.
The United States was following over a dozen UN resolutions when it invaded Iraq. This talk about the US goign against the UN is revisionist history and I take offense to it. The UN itself it completely corrupt and shoudl be either completely rebuilt from the ground up if not disbanded.
Lets see, the rogue state of the United States has paid for the UN, housed it, been the only country willing to back its resolutions with force, and in the process has liberated 50 million people between Iraq and Afghanistan.
Lets look at the moral decision other countries were making not to back the Iraq war. Its easy to make a moral decision when your palm is being greased by Iraq.
The current figures of the Oil for food scandal is somewhere around 20 billion dollars, a good bit of which went to our allies in Germany, France, and other countries that had misgivings.
Lets look at what has happened with UN backed attempts. Hmmm..... did a lot of good in Rowanda, the Sudan, and to be honest Bosnia where the records are showing now that we were on the wrong side.
Also just recently some upstanding members of the UN in the EU made their big diplomatic victory with Iran and its nuclear program. Its not a week later and Iran is backing out lol. My vote, evict the UN and let them set up headquarters at Versailles.
Originally posted by infinite
United nations worth saving? hell no.
When two nations (UK and US) go against the UN and do what they like without backing, shows us how unimportant the UN is. Even though the UK tried to go the UN route,the UN was incapable of reaching a decision and still is.
Originally posted by edsinger
Look the UN is a corrupt group that has no real purpose unless it is changed. If the UN would not back its own laws then what use is it? Most of the countries in it are corrupt also.
As for the other countries paying for it, that is a BIG TIME laugh. The US has paid far more than ANY other country and for what? A knife in the back every time the chips are down.....?
Let it go, it is MOOT anyway.
Originally posted by xpert11
The UN needs to be updated.
The security council and the right to veto needs to be abolished . Countries like Australia need more voice in the UN. There needs to be away of giving democratically elected governments more power then governments that deny people basic human rights.