Obama: I'm Concerned About a Nuke Being Detonated in Manhattan

reply to post by simsumre


The presidential remark is certainly worthy of debate. Thank you for sharing it here in Breaking News, as many members might miss the opportunity to discuss it unless they happen to frequent the original posting forum; you are correct, it is allowed in such a case to have two threads.

I am uncertain when it comes to imagining the way these "rules" might manifest themselves. It does seem odd to me that a president would openly proclaim the concern in contrast to the international forum in which he brought it up.

False flag though? I am not so clear on the particulars necessary for moving the parts for a fission device and/or assembling it, all the while remaining hidden. It seems almost ironic to say that such a feat would have to require someone "looking the other way" to 'allow' it to happen. But we here at ATS have had this debate before. Some of us think it an absurd proposition, outside the realm of reasonable probability. Others appear willing to attribute that level of detachment from society as a whole to our governmental leadership 'employees.'

Such a detonation would claim millions of lives ultimately, and the 'effect' would not be one of justice; it would be one of murder. Whilst we can intellectually entertain the idea of someone so ideologically polarized as to claim it a 'just' action; it defies reason to punish millions of people in what would inevitably become a global conflagration. So why hold it up as a "fear" porn possibility? In what way does that serve the national interest?

It is a possibility that the president was being less presidential and more 'political' with that assertion, but for me that is as much a failure in statesmanship, as it is a failure of sound leadership.

I know this much - If the primary concern is a nuke going off in NYC, why is LA the first city to receive nuke sniffer technology? You would have thought they'd have sent that to the city they reckoned had the most need for such a thing.

Definitely worth the look. In the grand scheme, what do we have? The age old illuminati references to display in public before the event happens- routine, or, quite simply, which we are oh so good at, scaring the sh*t out of the american people. I remember when that was a thing, using fear to govern. For us, the USA, i mean. The war on terror was to aid in the fear control of the masses. This can probably be sided with that line of thinking.

BUT. Not to be devils advocate to myself here, fear always comes with more fear. Perhaps the warning / concern of Obama is a ligitimate one, but one that will somehow come to play out in the near future. Not necessarily our soil, but a nuke based weapon somewhere of relivance.

(i did like the comment above of, martial law gets thrown around but you never seem to see it come to fruition)****

I've been watching the turnover of top brass in sensitive key positions, too. Its worrisome, if something happens you'd want experienced guys who don't cave to political pressure, guys who would do whats best( regardless of orders from higher up) for the country. Smart men controlling our key defenses. If something happens now, we might have a Pentagon that's like the rest of DC, a confused bunch of imbeciles who couldn't fight their way out of bed in the morning.
I also sense that TPTB want to start a new cold war and Obama is just the empty suit rubber stamp to do their bidding. Putin would do it to grab power for himself. Its everybody else that would be screwed. New oppressive HSA programs, an internet crackdown and surveillance, a strengthening of the police state.
If a plane HAD to go missing, why couldn't it have been Air Force One?

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I will assume that you do not believe in a higher power of any sort, because if you do, then realize that even that higher power is willing all things to happen at every moment, therefore still making coincidence null, if you do not, then we shall have to agree to disagree good sir.

AngryCymraeg

simsumre

markosity1973
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I am of course referring to the many and varied anti government groups in your country that departments like homeland security were created to monitor.

If you have ever read nostradamus, you will understand that ww3 is not a conventional war with huge armies fighting on a given battlefield. The enemies live within and there are multiple attacks made all over the place aka terrorism. This is what Obama alludes to. As unpopular a he is, he's not completely stupid.

The United States wouldn't exist if there were not "anti-Government" groups. The entire revolting against the King of the largest Empire in the world doesn't happen without that.

Americans do not kiss Government ass. Our Government was created FOR and BY the people. They are public servants, not masters.

I didn't know that you revolted against the Chinese Empire. Please do a bit of basic fact checking. Oh and it's 'Martial Law', not 'Marshall Law'. One is military rule and the other is a comic book character.

You're right, it was one of many typos I made while writing this thread. I'm so glad we have good people like yourself to point out every spelling and grammatical mistake on this website. Keep up the great work

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umm, i would say that the TPTB made a pretty penny off of 911... we got a couple barrels of oil out of it - See more at: www.abovetopsecret.com...

At the cost of bailing out the airline industry, and heading us towards the recession? Not exactly a good trade...so not one they are likely to make again so readily....

simsumre

"So my response then continues to be what I believe today, which is: Russia's actions are a problem. They don't pose the number one national security threat to the United States. I continue to be much more concerned when it comes to our security with the prospect of a nuclear weapon going off in Manhattan," said Obama.

I don't see anything nefarious here. This is Obama trying to save face. Obama drew yet another "red line" and another world leader traipsed across the "red line" while flipping Obama the bird and laughing at him, in fact this time the Russians went so far as to call Obama a clown and ridicule him in the global media. This is just Obama's way of trying to save face by saying that Russia isn't the most important thing he has to deal with. This is definitely immature but hardly conspiratorial in my humble opinion.

simsumre
Here's my problem, and I'll be blunt. I fully believe that everything that happens in this world is by design. I do not believe in coincidence. And that some how, there are rules to this game... that what is about to happen must be told to the people before it's actually done.

I don't think much about coincidence but I am a firm believer in Murphy's Law. Design something as carefully as you want, there will be unseen and un-forecasted results especially when dealing with people.

simsumre
I believe this to be a warning. It doesn't matter if it's staged or happens as a result of our bloodthirsty and/or stupid warmongers in Washington. People need to prepare themselves for what *could be* a fatal shot to the REPUBLIC of the United States.

I've heard this before about elites being held to some sort of code which requires warnings to be given before a course of action is undertaken. The problem I have with that is that the warnings would have to be seen as warnings, if people don't see the warning for what it is then in effect no warning has been given.

simsumre
This is Marshal Law. This is suspending elections. This is literal police state dictatorship if a nuke were ever to be set off in one our major cities. This is the ace card for those in control if their plan is to take down America. This IS potential FALSE FLAG!

I've been hearing about marshal law and suspension of elections since Reagan was President. Hasn't happened yet. I see the American people as a frog being slowly cooked alive, I don't think there will be one event which will be used to blatantly rip up the Bill of Rights and give people a just reason to rebel.

simsumre

Here's my problem, and I'll be blunt. I fully believe that everything that happens in this world is by design.

I definitely get the same vibe but with some slight reservations. I do believe they do their best to "design" (I think "engineer" is an aesthetically better term, actually) reality. Obviously, humans are far from perfect so there will always be room for chance.

This is to say that if something happens they didn't plan, it's pure chance but no matter what happens, the likelihood that it was planned that way seems high.

reply to post by GoldenObserver

In the magical universe there are no coincidences and there are no accidents. Nothing happens unless someone wills it to happen." - William S. Burroughs Get into synchronicity. - See more at: www.abovetopsecret.com...

I do not believe in coincidence, and never have...even as a child I did not believe in it. I do, however believe in serendipity. This is not, in my opinion, an example of that in any way...I'm simply making the distinction

I have to say that in my personal opinion, this could very well serve as a sort of warning. It is entirely plausable...anything is within the scope of possibility at this juncture...my question would be: Why would the puppet suddenly decide to be a real boy? Did Prince Charming magically come prancing along and kiss him and wake him up? Ok, that was two questions, my bad

Oh and the reason I believe in something like serendipity rather than coincidence is that it is a by-product of the Butterfly Effect. It's probably nothing if it happens once, completely at random. You can kind of shrug it off. When you start to see a pattern is when there is cause to worry. Either there is an awful lot more going on causing ripples in the time-space continuum and we're approaching a meltdown or, something (or someone) is manipulating that and repeating the same line of time along that tesseract and slowly causing it to warp over numerous repeat usage. I pretty much question everything these days, as a general rule. And I keep an open mind as much as possible too.

This is why it is silly to literally have 2 of the exact same threads going on. Why dont the people on this one move over to the more active thread so we can all discuss this topic.

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Exactly?? Why do we have two threads?

There is a good discussion and thread already going on.

Pointless.

blupblup
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Exactly?? Why do we have two threads?

There is a good discussion and thread already going on.

Pointless.

Because not everyone is going to be aware of every thread on ATS?

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Yet it was linked in the very first post of this thread...so....um....yeah.

blupblup
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Yet it was linked in the very first post of this thread...so....um....yeah.

The rules state that 2 threads can coexist within the general forums and breaking news. This is explained in the moderator post on the second page. If you don't like that or don't agree with the rules on this site, take it up with the mods.

markosity1973
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*OR*

Its Obama's way of stepping away from the rising and plain stupid tensions with Russia since the Crimea debacle. I interpret his nuke in Manhattan comment as pure allegory regarding the terrorist threat on home soil.

He is right, in America your biggest threat is yourselves.

edit on 25-3-2014 by markosity1973 because: (no reason given)

I said it in the other thread, I will say it here...

The use of fear-based language is hardly allegorical when a politician (esp. the POTUS) does it. The use of fear-based language has been used way too often in the wake of 9/11 for it to be hardly allegorical.

Again, does that mean it should be take 100% serious? That depends on the person and perhaps where they live. But the use of nukes + Manhattan was absolutely purposeful.

simsumre
The rules state that 2 threads can coexist within the general forums and breaking news. This is explained in the moderator post on the second page. If you don't like that or don't agree with the rules on this site, take it up with the mods.

It has nothing to do with rules for me and everything to do with getting info across or discussing a topic efficiently.

The other thread is 10 pages long last I looked, this one is 2. Their is more info, debate, people involved on that thread so why not take the best of both worlds and combine.

See how the response before started with something like "I posted this in the other thread" ..it's silly to see that when both threads discuss the same thing.

Much ado over over a lousy comment.Does anyone believe that this is the first president to worry about a NYC nuke?

TDawg61
Much ado over over a lousy comment.Does anyone believe that this is the first president to worry about a NYC nuke?

Or the fact that both this thread and the other thread don't actually tell the whole story, just the part that works in the conspiracy world.

simsumre
...Here's my problem, and I'll be blunt. I fully believe that everything that happens in this world is by design. I do not believe in coincidence. And that some how, there are rules to this game... that what is about to happen must be told to the people before it's actually done...

So you don't think it is possible for a rogue nation or a terrorist to do something like this by themselves?
Really?