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World War III - Making sense of it!

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posted on Mar, 25 2014 @ 12:21 AM
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It is my take on WWIII.

Started this thread to bring a balanced viewpoint; to help people see above the propaganda.

The thread may survive or not; but whatever happens will at least benefit some people.

Russia
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The breakup of USSR was caused by financial failure. Yes the West actively sabotaged USSR's financial system. However the fact remains that a communist system is inherently weak as it does not reward adequately the people who create most of the productive capacity. So failing in a way was due to the political system.

Today's Russia is not a communist country. It may not be as 'democratic' as a few other nations, but it certainly is not communist. So it can no longer be crushed on ideology.

China
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Today's China is communist only in name. China today is a capitalist country though with its own unique version which is a product of its own unique culture.

The West's continued projection of China's communism is mainly propaganda. Any Chinese person can pretty much gain wealth today just as in any Western country - by skills and knowledge of the system.


Communism
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lost power with the breakup of USSR.

Current political system
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We are back to empires.

The Anglo Saxon empire is the dominant empire today directly controlling much of the world's resources. This empire sits on top of nominally free countries and is a virtual empire. The emperor is not visible but very much exists. This empire's crown jewels are USA, Canada, UK, Germany and Australia.

The Chinese empire is a work in progress. Chinese have emerged from their long downturn and are now consolidating their power. The Chinese emperor has started emerging from the shadows.

The Russian empire is still emerging from its downturn.

The Japanese empire is bruised and confined by the Anglo-Saxons; though it has capacity to function on its own.

Muslims have two empires, divided on Sunni and Shia lines - Saudi, and Iranians.

The last one is the Jewish empire (the Zion) which is also a virtual empire controlling resources in many places.

Anything else does not matter or is inconsequential for the purpose of next great war.




posted on Mar, 25 2014 @ 12:41 AM
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The issues that have arisen that can cause a war:

1. OIL

Oil is a wonderful fuel. Oil is key to war-making and thus to control of the world. However it is a depleting resource in a time of a massive and still increasing population.

No viable alternative has been found for running war machines. Military is still dependent on it. Which brings the dilemma - how to conserve oil for future military use? To the empire-strategists, that requires a reduction in population.

2. Shift of economic power

East Asia has been a powerhouse of economic activity since the second world war. The Mongoloid race has trumped everybody else by sheer hard work. The situation is not comfortable for Anglo-Saxons.

Economic power is key to maintaining military power. The fact that Asians have marched ahead makes Anglo Saxons insecure.

3. Recovery of Russia as an empire

The Russians were never expected to bounce back. The vast land area of Russia is the ultimate prize for the Anglo Saxons of winning the war against USSR.

Subjugation of Russia automatically makes the Chinese empire irrelevant, as Chinese are physically surrounded and materially dependent. So Russian bounce-back makes Anglo Saxons very nervous.



posted on Mar, 25 2014 @ 12:47 AM
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There are no democracies and there is no freedom anywhere since there are no valid voting systems. BTW, the acid-test for freedom is not being able to do anything you want, it's the right to say, NO I won't do that and not be compelled through extortion, exploitation or fear.

What you actually have are a number of corporatocracies which are actually fascist (coined by Mussolini), that includes Russia, the US, Canada, the UK, Australia and almost every other country except Israel which is also a corporatocracy but it is also an apartheid state and just as racist as South Africa, North Korea and Iran are today. Each country or colony has varying degrees of apparent or invisible fascism in operation, but all are controlled by ruling oligarchies which are more like puppets than actual rulers. The real rulers have no countries and no allegiances, except to money and the power that it conveys.

The next world war, like almost all wars, will again be the war of the bankers or the corporations, take your pick.

Cheers - Dave



posted on Mar, 25 2014 @ 12:49 AM
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The world is filled with Oligarchies. Central banking is the root cause of the drama seen around the world. War has become a industry just like coke or snake foods. They need conflict to keep the money flowing on both sides.




It is so pathetic that if the military industrial complex just stopped the economies of Russia and the US would crash overnight.They need this conflict to keep the money flowing. It will be a slow burn this is the plan just enough to keep the people begging out of fear for protection.



We all pick sides down at the bottom but you had better believe at the top they are laughing at all of us. Pawns to a master we can not see slaves in a system we can not free ourselves from because of apathy and fear.
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posted on Mar, 25 2014 @ 01:07 AM
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AND the name behind that all is ROTHCHILD and the cutouts they use to gain power nothing like building it up to knock it down again then build it up win /win / win

it is like how many times can you tax 1 dollar life is like a game of chess to some people just moving pieces on the board



posted on Mar, 25 2014 @ 11:28 PM
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I am very happy to see great responses to my thread.

I think Rothschild is not the kingpin of Anglo Saxon power. He is a big spoke in the wheel no doubt but not the kingpin.

It is a mistake to think that wars happen due to some individual. The Anglo Saxons are preoccupied with keeping their power. They would not fight if there is no challenge. Any war they initiate is to protect their power base.

The problem now is that there is a challenger in the form of China. Chinese are industrious and ambitious people. It is hard to put them down.

The Chinese do not want to fight. They want a region of Chinese influence in Asia as a reward for playing by the Western rulebook. However the Anglo Saxons are unwilling to concede that. So Chinese see little option but to carve their region of influence by force.

Russians are just caught in the middle. I sincerely believe that Russians like Europeans and want to be Europeans. But the problem is the empire wants their land. This puts Russians in a very bad situation.

The West has tried everything to 'control' Russia indirectly. The economic and political sabotage of Russian State by the West is a reality. The Russians are trying to recover from this situation and Putin of course is a strong nationalist and a strong willed person who is getting success. The fact that Putin is successful is a major pain for the Anglo Saxon empire.

The events in Ukraine have been going on for a very long time. It is just that Putin has decided to act on something that was known. It is like somebody is stealing your food. You know the thief but afraid to catch him because of the danger of the fight. But you get fed up one day and do it anyway.



posted on Mar, 25 2014 @ 11:36 PM
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Good analysis but I would consider Germany as a potential competitor to the Anglo Saxon empire or at least as much as Japan is. Its only been a bit more than two decades since reunification and they are definitely back in the game in a big way as they have a lot of control over the EU through their economic power.
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posted on Mar, 25 2014 @ 11:37 PM
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The Mongoloid race


Yeah this is all races, threatnin' to nuke each other...



posted on Mar, 25 2014 @ 11:50 PM
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Central banking is to control the world by regulating flow of money. There is no other purpose of central banking.

It is the governments who create 'money' and put it into the system through lending to banks or by paying salaries.

The hard currency or reserve currency (USD, EUR) is as flimsy as any other currency except it is created by the dominant political entity. So it is backed by the power of military force.

All other currencies are set to an artificial rate dictated by the mysterious forces of the empire.

The simple way of economic warfare is to manipulate the currency of a country.

One would think that laws of economics dictate such things but that thinking is wishful.

If laws of economics were really working, then all currencies would be on gold standard.

The mention of "gold" brings another reason for the war. It is possible that Asians have already purchased most of the gold that exists in the world. So the West may not be left with much to enforce a gold standard if ever there is a crisis of confidence in the paper currencies.



posted on Mar, 25 2014 @ 11:53 PM
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john452
Good analysis but I would consider Germany as a potential competitor to the Anglo Saxon empire or at least as much as Japan is. Its only been a bit more than two decades since reunification and they are definitely back in the game in a big way as they have a lot of control over the EU through their economic power.
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I believe Germany is very much part of Anglo Saxon empire. It would be France that can be considered separate.



posted on Mar, 26 2014 @ 12:06 AM
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I don't know. The British PM at the time was one of the most concerned by German reunification. They have a lot of power and influence today through the EU. Right now it's not in their interests to rock the boat as is the case with Japan but to quote Sun Tzu - victorious warriors win first and then go to war, while defeated warriors go to war first and then seek to win. If a competitor can convince their enemy they aren't an enemy until after they have the upper hand that really is an ideal situation.

www.spiegel.de...
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posted on Mar, 26 2014 @ 10:19 AM
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It’s 1930’s all over again and I personally don’t blame Putin, he has already stated that he views the West with disdain, a civilisation that has lost its way, weakened its people of strength and faith, while being morally and economically corrupt....And he is 100% correct. Western Civilisation is a disease that stands for everything that is regressive, it serves to weaken its population by state education numbing of the mind, gratuitous consumerism, encourages the pursuit of superficial material wealth and enforces individual thought as an obscurity, an illness or even a crime. At the same time, all those in government are corrupt and encourage corruption. Society has been divided, in fact here in the UK you could say it has been splintered in to separate states of cultures and nationalities, divided and ignorant, unmotivated and decedent, spiralling towards Balkans style conflict in the future. Why would Putin want that endemic on his doorstep, especially when the conflict in Ukraine has been orchestrated by America...As every conflict in the past 100 years has.

However, let’s not paint Putin in an angelic light as the West paints scum as angels and views good noble people as oddities or even criminals. Putin’s geostrategic agenda is to reform the USSR geopolitically, but first he needed to have in place full control over Russia as a totalitarian state. Russian memories are not as short as us moronic Westerners, Czars don’t usually have happy endings. Putin is 61, he isn’t going to go on forever, nobody knows about his kids, who will take over, like North Korea, it’s a top state secret, but I guarantee you, somebody is already in line and will take over and continue on. Russian’s reaction to Ukraine, was a reaction to maintaining Russian military and economical assets in the region, not a reaction to events taking place. The swiftness of the army would’ve taken months of planning and they will not stop, they will head South and East, it’s an absolute certainty to maintain the security of Crimea. The problem with then continuing to push through to invade the whole of Ukraine is a logistical and financial one, one that I don’t believe Russia will undertake, plus how far could Putin go before NATO steps in, whether the countries involved are NATO members or not? However, I can see Moldova that has Odessa, a major Russian port to the Black Sea as a target, likewise to the south, Azerbaijan, another energy powerhouse and border to Iran, as another potential target to cut off EU options on energy.

Putin has been goaded to strike militarily because anything else would be less than effective. America, stretched militarily, has arguably the weakest president in history at its helm, one that cares more about dismantling America and destabilising already weakened sectarian plagued states, than an all out conflict with a great power or even defending a regional strategy that has been defended since the end of WW2, fencing in the Russians. However, many in the US at the top want war, at all cost, its profitable and its easy. Unfortunately, nobody truly knows Russian capabilities or indeed alliances with other nations. The variables are many and potentially costly, does America and Western Europe really want to call Putin’s bluff on a situation that generally doesn’t concern them? War mongerers will say yes to anything that could conclude with war, but what is the alternative? Once former Soviet states realise that America will do nothing to aid them and Europe, riddled by weak Socialist rhetoric, self serving politicians and division, relies too heavily on energy from Russia to act forcibly, they will have no choice but to align themselves with their old master. Poland, Romania, Bulgaria, Slovakia and the Baltic states will become front line countries to the new Russian Federation, as Romania and Bulgaria sit on the Black Sea, that makes them potential targets. I don’t believe Russia wish to take all of the Ukraine, at this moment in time, but the Black Sea is vital to Russia, remember when they invaded Georgia? Were they sending in an army to make a statement about the persecution of Russians in Georgia or was there an another motive?

Yes this is 1930’s all over again and who is behind it? The global elite, just like before, war is too profitable to make redundant, you just need the right bait. I don’t necessarily support Putin, but I can understand his actions. Look at the REAL history of WW2, in particular the decade running up to it, it’s basically rhyming with what we have now. Who do we support? Who do we believe? Not everything is polar opposite.

It is interesting that Hilary Clinton compared Putin to Hitler...Both Putin and Hitler view(ed) Western governments as corrupt, liars with a lust for war, the only difference was Hitler warned the allies of the threat of the Soviets, the threat that existed through the Cold War years and now sits perhaps more threatening than ever...Once again, baited by the globalists...



posted on Mar, 27 2014 @ 10:23 PM
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One more reason for next great war is the exploding Muslim population.

Most of the Muslims sit on desert or barren land. The current and future population cannot be supported by the land they hold.

Muslims have been emigrating to other countries and other geographic regions. Due to strong tribal nature of Islam, Muslims have found it difficult to assimilate with the people of their adopted countries.

There is a lot of friction between Muslim and non-Muslim societies. The reason is not hard to see.

The desire of Muslims to expand geographically is causing serious friction with the existing power structures.

There is declining trust between the Saudi and West as a result of 'lack of accommodation' of Muslim desire to expand.

I see a military confrontation between Sunni Muslims and the West in near future. And I see Sunni Muslims (under Saudi influence) going to war with Israel.



posted on Mar, 27 2014 @ 10:30 PM
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Secretface,

I have high respect for the current empire that rules the world. Things are not as simple and cut and dry as they seem.

There is a genuine desire on the part of current rulers to keep things under control. It is just that their methods are not good.

The West continues to push Russia into a corner. I am unable to see the logic of it. Russia should be allowed breathing space which it genuinely earned by sacrificing so many of its citizens over the years to uphold its freedom.

A continued silent war on Russia is illogical. It was possible to co-opt Russia but the West has lost the opportunity through its actions.



posted on Mar, 27 2014 @ 10:37 PM
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john452
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I don't know. The British PM at the time was one of the most concerned by German reunification. They have a lot of power and influence today through the EU. Right now it's not in their interests to rock the boat as is the case with Japan but to quote Sun Tzu - victorious warriors win first and then go to war, while defeated warriors go to war first and then seek to win. If a competitor can convince their enemy they aren't an enemy until after they have the upper hand that really is an ideal situation.

www.spiegel.de...
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The visible government and the shadow government of UK may not always be in sync.

The shadow government (NWO) does not enforce every word that comes out of the leader of a country (say UK). They work in secret and their actions are uncontrolled by the governments.

The reunification of Germany was the first major step that caused breakup of USSR. There were very considerable resources devoted to this. It did not happen automatically or naturally.

I am fully convinced that Germany is a major part of NWO.



posted on Mar, 27 2014 @ 10:47 PM
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Communism does not reward productive capacity?? And capitalism does?

In a capitalist society those that "make it happen" are called the "working poor" Those that thought of how to do it are our heavily in debt university students. The so called "captains of industry" are the ones that toed the line and believed the same things. None of their beliefs involve the betterment of human capacity and quality of life. Those that control productive capacity are skilled only at reaching markers for quarterly statements. They know NOTHING about production OR capacity.

Capitalism is religion. What we need has no name. Yet.



posted on Mar, 27 2014 @ 11:21 PM
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China has no resources = no empire. Buyer slave to seller.
China is good at games, virtual ones. They are beginning to master this one but the game is going to change soon. Don't know how but it is inevitable. Chinese are terrible at creative thinking. Excellent calculators but lost without an equation. It will take time to adapt. I worry about China and how it will swallow it's nuclear pride when the floor collapses. They need water. They need energy, food... everything to supply themselves.

I am worried now because China cannot afford to let Russia die slow from internal bleeding. Without Russia, China is always going to be slave to the world. I think they would rather fight it out now while their chances are at their peek than let it all fizzle away with a new game release.

Iran should make a move on Israel now too before their chances get any worse. If Syria goes down for good... that is it. Over.

"Multiple fronts" I fear is what the US and Israel may have walked into. Oh? Harper has a big *snippin* mouth... k, guess we're in too.

India, Pakistan... are going to be a problem for the rest of days unless we move them all in.



posted on Mar, 28 2014 @ 12:15 AM
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GargIndia
I am very happy to see great responses to my thread.

I think Rothschild is not the kingpin of Anglo Saxon power. He is a big spoke in the wheel no doubt but not the kingpin.

It is a mistake to think that wars happen due to some individual. The Anglo Saxons are preoccupied with keeping their power. They would not fight if there is no challenge. Any war they initiate is to protect their power base.



The Rothschilds the creators of the modern day banking ponzi scheme. Married into one of the black nobility families. Funding every side of every war since 1776. Looks like they got their work cut out for them. Speaking of the black nobility... how deep are they involved in all of this?



posted on Mar, 28 2014 @ 04:48 AM
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Putin will not sit back and watch his country's one and only inland port, Crimea/Black Sea, get taken over by the US/UK because he knows damn well that would mean losing ground on control of his own country's natural oil/gas resources.

China and Russia are both sitting on huge gold stashes, and their time to push out the petrodollar is nigh...

BRICS

It's the game changer.

The Cold War 2.0 is back in action, folks.

But the game is very different this time because the US has been economically riding on fumes for many years and can no longer afford to finance long drawn out military incursions like they used to. And just to add salt to the wound, both China and Russia are creditors to the US.

Yup, Russia and China have been patiently waiting for this day...

Will this end up in a full blown WW3 because of economic power restructuring ?

Only time will tell.



posted on Mar, 28 2014 @ 06:50 AM
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CranialSponge
Putin will not sit back and watch his country's one and only inland port, Crimea/Black Sea, get taken over by the US/UK because he knows damn well that would mean losing ground on control of his own country's natural oil/gas resources.

China and Russia are both sitting on huge gold stashes, and their time to push out the petrodollar is nigh...

BRICS

It's the game changer.

The Cold War 2.0 is back in action, folks.

But the game is very different this time because the US has been economically riding on fumes for many years and can no longer afford to finance long drawn out military incursions like they used to. And just to add salt to the wound, both China and Russia are creditors to the US.

Yup, Russia and China have been patiently waiting for this day...

Will this end up in a full blown WW3 because of economic power restructuring ?

Only time will tell.





Well said.

Russian subs hold more fire power than all the bombs dropped in WWII. Once the subs are deployed to Americas east and west coast only minutes warning will be given till the destruction of the USA.

It is written that To those whom much is give, much is expected.

America has turn it's back on God.







 
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