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dominicus
w810i
is a term sometimes used by Buddest to describe the agitated, easily distracted and incessantly moving behavior of ordinary human consciousness. For me personally this means a 24/7 constant narrative of recent events,past events and potential future events. Where in, my mind looks at and dissects every potential outcome (that I can foresee) of numerous situations going on in my life. I write this to ask you this my ATS friends. How does your mind operate? Is it like what I have described? This is something I've been curious about for a long time. It seems the older I get the worse it gets. For the life of me I cannot remember a time when my mind was not in overdrive.
Check out my thread here:
Enlightenment in 15-30 days, an EXTREMELY fast method. Mahasi Style Noting
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There is a specific meditation noting method that is perfect for people with Monkey mind. In fact that Monkey Mind helps you to take note of everything using the method. A friend of mine with very bad a.d.d. style monkey mind got the beginning stages of enlightenment via this method
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brazenalderpadrescorpio
reply to post by w810i
I think that people with ADD have this the most. I have a friend with ADD that seems to have a hard time focusing. I try to tell him to think about one thing at a time, and to think about it deeply.
w810i
reply to post by gwynnhwyfar
The point of the thread was to find out if others dwelt with the same issues that I do. I understand that some people feel that its beneficial to meditate. I cant say that it would or would not help me. After trying numerous types of medititation, i can honestly say its not something i can do. My mind is constantly circulating thru numerous circumstances and objectives. It would appear that this is how my brain is wired.
Kashai
w810i
reply to post by gwynnhwyfar
The point of the thread was to find out if others dwelt with the same issues that I do. I understand that some people feel that its beneficial to meditate. I cant say that it would or would not help me. After trying numerous types of medititation, i can honestly say its not something i can do. My mind is constantly circulating thru numerous circumstances and objectives. It would appear that this is how my brain is wired.
Our brains are not wired our ability to solve problems relate to neural connections.....
Say for example you wanted to learn to play Microsoft flight simulator only with the keyboard. I mean if its what you really wanted to do it will take time to develop to coordination, that essentially means developing the neural connections to make it possible for you to complete the task.
You see like a Tinkerer and in that sense generating a Mandala could work for you. Mandalas are complex considerations in relation to one perspective.
Like a fractal....
Myself I work with modeling like this all the time.
Another thing about meditation is that the process is similar to falling asleep, but one stays awake. The very first dreams we have when we fall asleep is about day to day activities. So once you have begun the meditative experience it is common to feel the way you do.
Any thoughts?
retsdeeps1
Of course your symptoms as also those that are associated with a high IQ, they call it high central nervous system (CNS) arousal, which is just a fancied up way of saying that some of us think more (number of thoughts and depth of thoughts) than others. do you see many shaded of grey where other see few? High levels of dopamine stimulate high levels of CSN functioning. Also a tendency towards manic and obsessive thinking comes form high CNS arousal. I have all those issues.
Do you have trouble clearing your mind to sleep? Are you highly creativity, see many choices in most situations, attracted to novel experiences and need things, get bored easily, have trouble finishing tedious and repetitive tasks? Basically, your smart and not all aspects of that are good at times.
Meditation is hard for those with he above traits but still practice improved it. Google Monroe Institute and they sell reasonably priced ($15) guided meditation CDs.edit on 26-3-2014 by retsdeeps1 because: (no reason given)
retsdeeps1
Ok- now you have given other clues, I have some graduate level training in psych though not an expert, just some knowledge. Neurotransmitters have specific behavioral clusters or traits associated with them, some are high or low harm avoidance related to levels of fear and anxiety and low or high brain chemicals that underlie those states and another is high or low novelty seeking. Low harm avoidance means risk takers, like rock climbers, race drivers, etc, with low levels of anxiety and need for risk taking. Related is a craving for stimulation and that is related to low dopamine levels.
Some of these traits can be impacted by diet, as wel las meds if they are causing living problems.
gwynnhwyfar
reply to post by w810i
It sounds like you made the thread in order to feel out how it feels to claim understanding of the problem, and then deny your own responsibility in solving the problem (i.e. I can't.). Well, don't feel like I am picking on you, because neither can I!
You sound JUST like me. I am trying to force myself, but it is not easy. My work is extremely stressful and I wake up every night dreaming of work. I hardly ever have not dreamed of work in the past year. My mind is constantly working on the problem it can't solve - how to get my project to go live, when it has faced ridiculous problems from the time I would up inheriting it. Monkey mind never shuts down, never a peaceful night's sleep, shoulders continually bound up, etc.
I know the solution is to turn inwards and spend time in meditation, but it seems impossible for me. You too? It isn't that I don't know how, but that I seem incapable of unburdening myself from my current sense of my obligations to my job.
So why are YOU yoked to your monkey mind?
Take care,
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w810i
reply to post by Onyxzyv
I don't know if its "every possible" outcome. Its the outcomes I can see. If I really and I mean really dig into something I break it down into pro's and con's and build potential scenarios from those lists and see the outcomes and then from those outcomes I build more scenarios and so on. It is mentally and emotionally taxing to have your brain doing this crap 24/7 on pretty much everything going on in your life.
retsdeeps1
w810i
reply to post by Onyxzyv
I don't know if its "every possible" outcome. Its the outcomes I can see. If I really and I mean really dig into something I break it down into pro's and con's and build potential scenarios from those lists and see the outcomes and then from those outcomes I build more scenarios and so on. It is mentally and emotionally taxing to have your brain doing this crap 24/7 on pretty much everything going on in your life.
Reply- that is what high levels of dopamine do, too much thought, sounds like manic thinking. But also you are probably a very smart person, but may burn out physically and mentally. Do you consume much sugar? See this video, think of sugar as a neuro- toxin and addictive like heroin.
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