The More I Investigate, The More I'm Convinced....Diego Garcia!

Every thing about this points to a preplanned event, but where are all those passengers? Could there be a link between this and what Mr Obama said about worrying more about a loose nuke going off in Manhatten than Russia?? Also it is very odd that authorities are suddenly claiming that the plane has crashed in the ocean and all passengers are dead. They better make sure they are right because even the Malaysian people aren't buying it. WTF are they up to????

reply to post by Zaphod58


The one and major evidence you did not think of.

As many times it has been written in this forums, the US is monitoring the traffic around the world any moment of the day, no matter if you are a civilian or a minister. Since the US satellites can see the time in my watch or the number of my car with their sophisticated cameras and since they are the major "feeder" of Echelon i think:

Why the US have not used their satellites to help the investigations of the missing flight so far???

Please, answer to me that specific and simple question. The largest, most advanced and powerful nation in the world cannot use a single satellite of the hundreds it owns to help the Malaysian authorities???

Was it so hard? Or they are hiding something like they did with the crash of the Italian teleferik back in 1990s where they were hiding for 3 months that one of their own planes caused the destruction?

JesusChristwins
Why the US have not used their satellites to help the investigations of the missing flight so far?

How do you know they have not?

And it would also explain why Inmarsat (british) gave the final whereabouts of the plane. Diego Garcia is british territory.

JesusChristwins
reply to post by Zaphod58

 

The one and major evidence you did not think of.

As many times it has been written in this forums, the US is monitoring the traffic around the world any moment of the day, no matter if you are a civilian or a minister. Since the US satellites can see the time in my watch or the number of my car with their sophisticated cameras and since they are the major "feeder" of Echelon i think:

Why the US have not used their satellites to help the investigations of the missing flight so far???

Please, answer to me that specific and simple question. The largest, most advanced and powerful nation in the world cannot use a single satellite of the hundreds it owns to help the Malaysian authorities???

Was it so hard? Or they are hiding something like they did with the crash of the Italian teleferik back in 1990s where they were hiding for 3 months that one of their own planes caused the destruction?

sheer hollywood. Apparently, rather than understand the limitations of pictures taken from orbit you would believe the hollywood version where the US can "see the time in my watch". That is the most ridiculous thing I have ever read.

The US is not omnipotent, contrary to what many think. If they were they would have gotten the Obamacare website right the first time. LOL

reply to post by JesusChristwins


I'm always amazed at how the US is omniscient. Even if it were possible that the US could monitor every single inch of the planet, and watch every single plane in flight, do you have ANY idea how many planes that is?

reply to post by bobs_uruncle


Wild and paranoid speculation, and who would do this? The military industrial complex, the CIA? It wouldnt be hard for them to get a passenger plane. Besides the airline framed wouldnt have any planes unaccounted for so they could proove it wasnt one of theirs.

Thought I would add this to the mix.


www.presstv.ir...


Today we are told that the fate of Flight 370 is known, not yet identified debris has been spotted in what is called “the Southern Indian Ocean,” perhaps more appropriately described as “north of Antarctica.”

We also know that the 777/200 is a “fly by wire” aircraft with controls in place that allow the CIA to remotely pilot the plan “in case of emergency.” We were able to verify the design and implementation of this system through Boeing, Raytheon and commercial pilots.

“BAD NEWS”

The descriptions today in the New York Times and other publications are purposefully inaccurate and contradictory. Their explanations of how commercial aircraft communicate and are tracked are fanciful at best, at worst “criminal.”

CIA CONTROLS COMMERCIAL AIRCRAFT

When Malaysian Airlines Flight 370 was reported as having crashed in the South China Sea, a massive cover up began yet no one will speak of it, nothing is written of it and its broad consequences are a subject of no investigation.

While people around the world were told the plane was “lost” or “crashed,” it was being monitored by NORAD (North American Aerospace Defense Command) and its regional defense partners through secret systems installed in the plane.

In 2006, Boeing announced the following, from a John Croft article in Flight Global:

Boeing last week received a US patent for a system that, once activated, removes all controls from pilots to automatically return a commercial airliner to a predetermined landing location.

The "uninterruptible" autopilot would be activated - either by pilots, by onboard sensors or even remotely via radio or satellite links by government agencies like the Central Intelligence Agency, if terrorists attempt to gain control of a flight deck.

Boeing says: "We are constantly studying ways we can enhance the safety, security and efficiency of the world's airline fleet."

Similarly, Raytheon Corporation was awarded a contract by the Federal Aviation Administration 8 years ago to implement an “Advanced Route Evaluation System” (ARES) to work in concert with the system operated by the Central Intelligence Agency.

In addition, the technical staff at Rolls Royce, a fact also reported in the Wall Street Journal, continually monitored the plane’s flight.

Hundreds of people knew exactly where the plane was, how every system was working, what had been “turned off” not only when but where and exactly where the plane is now. Every word told the press, has been a lie.
Every word told by the mainstream media has been a lie.

THE “FLYING DUTCHMAN” AIRLINER

Now everyone knows that the plane continued flying for hours. This is where the cover up becomes problematic; you see everything about the plane was known, position, conditions of the engines, oxygen levels in the cockpit and passenger compartment, this and much more.

Even if the plane couldn’t be remotely piloted, its systems under “uninterruptable” control, a term coined by Boeing itself, the 777/200’s supposed “Flying Dutchman” journey to the South Pole is more than implausible.

The CIA along with Joint military commands set up during the Global War on Terror, tracked Flight 370, monitoring it continually, monitoring the murder of its passengers, monitoring its landing, monitoring its refueling and know exactly where it is.

If the plane really went down “off Antarctica,” they then monitored and “allowed” that.

ROLLS ROYCE SILENCE

In Britain, technicians for Rolls Royce monitored the plane as well, reporting its position to the British government every minute it was in the air. Those technicians have been silent, the British government has never been asked, and no one has been asked.

As the largest “Where’s Waldo” hunt in history goes on, now pulling in data from weather satellites and fleets of anti-submarine warfare planes unleashed upon the Indian Ocean, the entire thing is an “act,” a would-be comical farce.

Flight 370 is a Boeing 777/200, one of the most automated planes in the world. We will be outlining some of the specifics that make this theft or hijacking or alien abduction or whatever the mainstream media chooses to call it not just improbable but government sponsored terrorism.

9/11 ALL OVER AGAIN

This isn’t the first time something like this has happened. When four airliners “disappeared” on 9/11 much of what we are seeing today occurred then, but with far less technology being denied and suppressed.

According to Dr’s James Fetzer and Dean Hartwell, planes involved in 9/11 were still flying elsewhere after being listed as having crashed or never took off in the first place. These reports, though backed by verifiable data, were considered wild and suppositional by most but, in light of the Flight 370 debacle, deserve to be reconsidered.

Yes, planes can fly for hours after having crashed and, “yes,” authorities will lie about, not just the location of planes but show a frightening indifference when it comes to the now obviously pre-planned “disappearance” of passengers.

TRACKING 370

There are a number of devices on commercial aircraft embedded in such a way as to prevent disabling while in flight. You will never hear about where they are, what frequencies they broadcast on or how they work.
They are there. There are highly classified and they were on Flight 370, being continually monitored by military and security forces tasked specifically with preventing commercial aircraft from being used as weapons.

We all remember the testimony at the 9/11 Commission hearings. Condoleezza Rice, General Myers, Rumsfeld and Cheney, none of them had ever heard of the possibility of planes used as weapons no matter how many memos they had sent or received contradicting their testimony.

Similarly, days, even weeks later, one of the great “disappearing tricks” of all time, and the American military not only monitored every mile travelled but knew exactly when and where the passengers were killed. Part of the admitted “redirection” of Flight 370 included 45 minutes at 45,000 feet.

There is a procedure taking exactly that long at that altitude for depressurizing the cabin, using up existing oxygen supplies and killing passengers.

We received this from a Boeing 777 pilot with a major airline. From an article in New Eastern Outlook (Russia):


“Just a quick update with what I know about the Malaysia 777 disappearance. The Boeing 777 is the airplane that I fly. It is a great, safe airplane to fly. It has, for the most part, triple redundancy in most of its systems, so if one complete system breaks (not just parts of a system), there are usually 2 more to carry the load. It’s also designed to be easy to employ so 3rd world pilots can successfully fly it. Sometimes, even that doesn’t work…

There’s many ways to fly the 777 and there are safety layers and redundancies built into the airplane now to Malaysia. There are so many communication systems on the airplane: 3 VHF radios, 2 SatCom systems, 2 HF radio systems, plus Transponders and active, ‘real time’ monitoring through CPDLC (Controller to Pilot Data Link Clearance) and ADS B(Air Data Service) through the SatCom systems and ACARS (Aircraft Communications Addressing and Reporting System) thru the VHF, HF and SatCom systems. The air traffic controllers can tell where we are, speed, altitude, etc. as well as what our computers and flight guidance system has set into our control panels. Big Brother for sure! However, most of these things can be turned off.

But, there are a few systems that can’t be turned off and one is the engine monitoring systems. The Malaysia airplane, like our 777-200’s, uses Rolls Royce Trent Engines (as a piece of trivia….Rolls Royce names their motors after rivers….because they always keep on running!) Rolls Royce leases these motors to us and they monitor them all the time they are running. In fact, a few years back, one of our 777’s developed a slow oil leak due and partial equipment failure. It wasn’t bad enough to set off the airplane’s alerting system, but RR was looking at it on their computers. They are in England, they contact our dispatch in (REDACTED), Dispatch sends a message to the crew via SatCom in the North Pacific, telling them that RR wants them to closely monitor oil pressure and temp on the left engine.

The crew did all of that and landed uneventfully, but after landing and during the taxi in, the left engine shut itself down using it’s redundant, computerized operating system that has a logic tree that will not allow it to be shut down if the airplane is in the air…only on the ground. Pretty good tech. Anyway, the point was that RR monitors those engines 100% of the time they are operating. And don’t EVER get in an Airbus!!”


CONSPIRACY

What do we know for sure? We know the plane was tracked continually. We know classified systems were on board that could reroute and land the plane no matter what any hijacker could have done.

We know the passengers could be killed easily using control systems that should not be available to crew or hijackers but, for some reason, are a major “hole” in the security of an aircraft that has multiple redundancy systems for other “mishaps.”

We know the media has never addressed simple technical issues that a simple “fact check” on Google could have rectified. Did they lie on purpose?

Did someone tell them to lie?

Sources claim the plane landed on Diego Garcia, was refueled, dead passengers “disembarked” and was moved elsewhere?
Is this a better explanation than flying to the South Pole hidden from the world through multiple simultaneous failures of safety, communications, counter-hijacking and autopilot systems?

What we are certain of is that in light of today’s announcement, a series of seemingly plausible rationales for what we really know to have been utterly impossible are being concocted.

This effort is what is now called “reporting

reply to post by OLD HIPPY DUDE


And beyond a patent there is zero evidence this system ever went beyond an idea in a book.

Sublevel6
reply to post by bobs_uruncle

 

Wild and paranoid speculation, and who would do this? The military industrial complex, the CIA? It wouldnt be hard for them to get a passenger plane. Besides the airline framed wouldnt have any planes unaccounted for so they could proove it wasnt one of theirs.

I certainly realize that it is speculation. I don't understand why the PTB would want to do things this way when they have an arsenal of sitting cruise missiles and usable planes that could be repainted in a heartbeat. Look at the pentagon attack on 9/11? None of that makes sense either. It seems like the politicians, CIA and the other intelligence agencies are simply mentally masturbating the lot of us through the main stream media. Everything that they say or present is the opposite of the truth most of the time. I'll admit that in many cases real information is presented but any good conman knows that you have to mix truth with your lies to sell your version of the story.

Cheers - Dave

reply to post by OLD HIPPY DUDE


I thought that info looked familiar.......I am sure I read that over on veteranstoday.com.

Some excellent info........if people really knew the govt.......LOL.

Most people if they read that would probably laugh and say that can't be true but in reality they should be scared to death to fly. Imagine what the public would think if this info got out.........nobody would fly knowing that at any second the govt could take control of their plane and kill them all, and if the govt can do it who says hackers won't figure this out.

reply to post by SMOKINGGUN2012


Amazing how in eight years there hasn't been anything but a patent. Every pilot, mechanic, and person that works on this apparently all think that giving someone thousands of miles away the ability to take over every plane in the sky and do whatever they wasn't is a great idea.

reply to post by OLD HIPPY DUDE

We also know that the 777/200 is a “fly by wire” aircraft with controls in place that allow the CIA to remotely pilot the plan “in case of emergency.” We were able to verify the design and implementation of this system through Boeing, Raytheon and commercial pilots.

No offense, but did you make that up? To begin with, "fly by wire" has nothing whatsoever to do with remote control. Secondly, there are no controls in place that allow the CIA or anyone else to remotely pilot any commercial aircraft, specially a passenger carrier. That is not just ludicrous but an outright falsehood worthy of a huge bellylaugh!!

Presenting an opinion is one thing...you are quite within your rights to present a theory that aliens, or the CIA or whoever took control of the craft and flew it to Mars...

But presenting ridiculous falsehoods as fact is quite another. Try living in the real world for a change rather than paranoid fantasy land.

SMOKINGGUN2012
reply to post by OLD HIPPY DUDE

 

I thought that info looked familiar.......I am sure I read that over on veteranstoday.com.

Some excellent info........if people really knew the govt.......LOL.

Most people if they read that would probably laugh and say that can't be true but in reality they should be scared to death to fly. Imagine what the public would think if this info got out.........nobody would fly knowing that at any second the govt could take control of their plane and kill them all, and if the govt can do it who says hackers won't figure this out.

ROFL

reply to post by xuenchen
. Mangoes? Please explain?

Wildthing
I've seen several theories for the "why"....the one I'm leaning toward is this one.

Secret Prison on Diego Garcia Confirmed: Six “High-Value” Guantánamo Prisoners Held, Plus “Ghost Prisoner” Mustafa Setmariam Nasar - See more at: www.andyworthington.co.uk... fa-setmariam-nasar/#sthash.OzYRvyK9.dpuf

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. So what's the connection with the missing plane, please explain?

reply to post by bbracken677


K. Please check the following video. It tells less than they are capable to do.



And please remember that the civilian and the military technology have completely no connection. My professor at university was saying "From the batteries till the satellites, the civilian technology is no match for the military. Even the gears for the military are being constructed in a different way than the gears we, normal people, use". He was using the same example every time he was starting a new chapter in his book.

But yeah, we have "freedom", we have "democracy", so believe what you want.

I think someone in the cockpit took a look at Petronas Towers, was somehow "intercepted" or jammed....subsequently splashed down~somewhere~.

reply to post by Zaphod58


Planes Planes are a drop in the ocean.

The US admitted that they were spying all the "free" emails, social media, camera connections, games, other services there are on the web. Now i ask you, they could filter all these texts, images, videos which need massive, enormous computer units to support it and you think they would stop to the planes?

I, you anyone can see any plane, any ship travelling around the globe through certain websites since 2011! You think that in 2014 a plane "disappeared" and they were not aware of that?

I would like to remind you that i was writing in the ATS since 2012 that all those "free" online services were being monitored. I was then "too much" for some people who could not believe it. Thankfully 1 year later a guy decided to go public and say what i was saying. Also, let me remind you or mention to you that i was writting that Russia will grow enormous and that Nato won't be able to stop her movements, which had as primary target the Mediterranean Sea for years now. Again many were saying that i had no idea of what i was talking about. Thank God, time has verified me so far.

All that i can say is "we will wait and see". I wrote my opinion. Time will show if i am write, once again, or wrong.

reply to post by JesusChristwins


And how do you think those websites track the aircraft? They use the aircraft's transponder. If it's the wrong type of transponder, or it's not set to broadcast the position, those websites don't even know the plane is there.

The amount of computing power required to track every single aircraft in the skies, 24/7 over every square inch of the planet would dwarf that of tracking emails and phone calls. First off, you have to have geosynchronous satellite coverage of every bit of the planet, with optical ability, which is no small feat in and of itself.

Then you need to see the aircraft, again no small feat, considering some of those aircraft are barely longer than a large car. Then once you see, and identify it as an aircraft, you have to identify WHAT aircraft it is, which is almost impossible, because you aren't required to file a flight plan, or even to talk to ATC under certain flight rules.

It's not just a matter of pointing a satellite somewhere and seeing the plane and immediately knowing that flight it is, and where it's going. It's a hell of a lot harder than that.