HI there. Thanks for replying.
"It always amazes me that so many people post on ATS asking for help, whether in relationships or this "secret agent" schtick, and then reject what
Look, I associate with experiences and I give examples as I go. It's how I am, it's how my family is, it also seems to be how a lot of my tribe is.
It's traditionally called being a storyteller. I didn't go into exhausting detail this time because I knew I'd talked about it before and only needed
the examples out, not the whole story. I also see people doing it all the time here to the point of even hijacking another person's thread with their
tale of woe, so I know I'm not particularly unique. Just someone trying to get you to understand where they're coming from.
It's how I communicate and connect things with the world. There are a lot of people who have no trouble at all getting my meaning when I speak to
them. Nowhere in this post have I actually said "Please someone help me." When I ask for help, I'm direct with it, I contact people in private, and I
ask for help. Which I didn't here. This is probably the LAST place I'd ask for help from anybody.... I can't and won't change who I am just to please
you. I don't expect you to understand me, but it would be courteous to at least try to follow if you intend to respond to my post. I mean I make the
effort for you when I read what you write.... Or at least don't put words in my mouth, okay?
"You've got too many conditions for the help you want to receive. You want to dictate exactly what kind of help you want. "
That's actually the point of my first question. It seems the ones with the conditions are the helpers. Back when I used to seek help actively I was
told, point blank by one, that if I wasn't willing to receive Jesus Christ as my Lord and Savior then he wasn't going to bother. That's not me putting
out a condition. That's HIS condition put out by HIM. And it's just one example of many. And it seems to be the norm. I've read articles by some that
the only way to deprogram a number is to get them to switch to Christianity. Which means, I guess, no one in India has a snowball's chance in h***? Or
how about Tibet?
I have two friends who were told basically the same thing by "helpers" (not for MKultra, though). One was told to reject the cabal and told her I was
the cabal. (And later brought up squirrels. Beware the squirrels.) The other was told she had to allow him to touch her in what she felt was
inappropriate ways. These aren't our conditions. It's theirs.
The times I asked for help, I only wanted help with one thing and one thing only: memory recovery. It's not a condition. It's not even a term of
being. I'm just not and probably will never be interested in more, especially with the conditions thrown at me over the matter. I view it as the same
as someone going to get a past life recovery. It's memory recovery to them. Same concept. So why Jesus has to be thrown into it kind of baffles me.
And I want to know why.
So, I ask again: Why can't a MKultra number ask for help without being forced other help they don't feel ready for yet? Maybe they aren't asking for
help in finding God or deprogramming. Maybe they only turned to the MKultra specialist because they were told they had to go to someone properly
qualified when they contacted that nice lady who specialized in past life recovery. Maybe they just want a splinter pulled from their toe. If there
are researchers out there willing to just dig for info and only for info, I haven't heard of them. I doubt I'd contact them being as I can't afford to
pay them, but it sure would be nice to know they exist.
"I don't see that as a true statement. There are hundreds of books on the subject, documentaries, articles, etc. There's no lack of information on the
topic and it has been "pursued" by dozens of researchers. "
Okay, fair enough. Yes there are a lot of things and I've a few of read them. But they always seem to stop short and cover the same basics over and
over again. I'm tired of hearing about Project Paperclip, I wanna hear something from the 90's. Or 80's - since people say MKultra didn't truly end in
the 70's and all. (They're all so convinced but I haven't read anything to back it up.) If there are such things, I invite folks to please list them.
Cuz I'm not unique, which means other folks are going "buh" at the seeming lack of information.
"Where does the line of reality end and the line of fantasy begin? Here we are being asked to believe that the spouse of a service member has been
recruited at a young age to be a secret agent (?) for MKUltra. "
No, here you are being asked where the line of one older project that got shut down in the 70's ends and the lines of what seems to be happening now
begins. You are being asked for technical information. Period.
"So first we have to get through the very real question of the veracity of your story."
No you don't, because whether or not my story is real has nothing to do with the lines of one black program to the edge of another. Query: is there
documentation of these different programs? Are they all under the same umbrella? Do we blame little green men?
Quite frankly I don't care if you believe me or don't believe me. I only say "MKultra" because a researcher told me so after hearing my story. They
said they couldn't help me, but that information was the most help I've ever gotten and I'm thankful. So, that's right - my story was validated and
given a label by someone in the know. I thought it was alien activity my whole life. Surprise. What she told me opened up my information track to a
whole, scary new world that left me with questions where I once thought I had the answers to everything. Maybe you don't know what it's like to have
your world ripped apart like that. Good for you. Whether you believe me or not doesn't matter, because in the end you're not anyone important to my
See I'm not sitting here asking about my sanity to a forum that currently seems to hold a very mean level of hostility. I was sitting here expecting
an intelligent response in regard to how the world works. No more, no less.
" Part of the hype behind MK-ULTRA was that it was to make a Manchurian Candidate--an agent who didn't know they were an agent. "
Ah, cool. Okay, so... then if someone is not a Manchurian but were handled under similar terms they're not MKultra? Is there anything else to learn
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