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reply to post by WarminIndy
So those are our options, huh? Slave to god or slave to our own desires? Well, I don't like god, but I do like me. In fact, 'me' has done a lot more for me than this god bloke ever did. I was born when I would have chosen to die in the womb. I was conceived when I would have sooner allowed one of my fellow sperms to take my place. Given that my free will was not taken into consideration at that time, I make glad use of it now. But now using my free will is considered "being a slave to my desires". What a feat of mental gymnastics this is! I tell you now, I bow to no one, ever, because I would never ask that any bow to me.
Good thread, Arpgme.edit on 23-3-2014 by AfterInfinity because: (no reason given)
1 Peter 1:20, where this slightly interpretive translation says "predestined", the Greek word just means "foreknown".
This means that it was already predestined that Adam and Eve would follow Satan and eat The Forbidden Fruit, otherwise, sin would not exist and there would be no need for Jesus to come and save the world or to only predestine "some" whom he foreknown to conform to the image of Jesus.
And did you have the power to tell your mom and dad not to "boink" the day you were conceived? You would have never been conceived if your mom and dad didn't get it on....
Therefore, you would be the product of their choice. Your dad boinked your mom. You didn't tell them how or when. You didn't tell them to do it in a car or in bed or on the kitchen table..whatever. You are the byproduct of your mom and dad's action, nothing more.
So your conception was not free will on your part, you didn't make yourself conceived. Your mom and dad did, they took away your free will. How did your "fellow sperm" get there in the first place?
reply to post by AfterInfinity
Well we know there are people following after fairies and other things as well .It's not like we don't have a zillion options .My choice is a simple one .No need to make it complicated for myself ....
reply to post by AfterInfinity
But a God that could meet you where you are without the need to be given the accolades ,and can reveal Himself in time despite the encumbered PHD in science you may hold or think you need is worth considering .
Text This means that it was already predestined that Adam and Eve would follow Satan and eat The Forbidden Fruit, otherwise, sin would not exist and there would be no need for Jesus to come and say the world or to only predestine "some" whom he foreknown to conform to the image of Jesus.
If 'every' tongue shall confess "Jesus is Lord", will all be saved and does free-will exist?
Text That is not "literal".It doesn't mean you need to have a "physical" tongue nor does it mean to "confess" in the literal sense...nor the bending of a knee..etc etc.Here is that scripture.
TextChrist is not Jesus last name.It means anointing....which is to rub oil on.The Israelites and Jews rubbed oil on a King or Prophet to denote he had been "imbued" with the power of God.That was a symbol.The christ "IN you" is a reality. The "christ" is the power of God....life.!!Christ is what many call the "holy spirit".It is not a "being" holy means to be set apart or separated in unity ...spirit means life.It is the creator God "imbuing" everyone with "life"(spirit) that does not die....not the life that dies (physical..which is the spirit of man).
TextThe scripture above is one of the most twisted religious scripture of all.It is used to CONDEMN others by purporting God will MAKE you bow down and worship him if you didn't when you were alive in the body.Then he will throw you into the Lake of Fire (hell) to be tortured forever!!.....absolute perversion and lies.