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reply to post by Skyfloating
Agree 100%. I would be 100% in favor of spending even more on the programs if I could guarantee they were getting these things. I would happily pay more taxes for a van to go door to door three times a day delivering healthy meals than pay what I do to see the guy next to me in line buying a damn steak with his EBT that I can't (choose not to so I don't live paycheck to paycheck) afford. I would happily pay more to have a welfare store that only carries real and healthy food and clothing, and they can just come take it for free. It isn't about the money, it is about what we are teaching people with this system and what is truly "good" for people in need.
reply to post by Halfswede
You want to punish these poor folks but it will do you zero good in the end. They'll still have rubbish lives, yours won't be any better and your taxes won't go down.
Instead, if you take the tax that's owed by the rich, you might get free education and health care for everyone. That would improve your life.
How is this punishing? How? Please specifically tell me how not allowing them to spend their welfare benefits on tattoos is "punishment". And yes, taking that money that could be used for someone who truly needs it to eat and spending it on tattoos is "Stealing", just like taking food from the food bank when you don't need it is stealing regardless if you "qualify" for it.
Take some responsibility for yourself instead of whining about big corporations keeping you down. Somehow millions of people who actually work hard and live conservatively (fiscally) wind up making better lives for themselves in spite of your nonsensical comment claiming otherwise. There are people out there in wheelchairs and missing limbs for crying out loud making a living by working. Welfare has a purpose and it is not to provide the good life. It is to help those who literally cannot get by, feed, clothe and shelter themselves and their families.
I started with nothing, worked hard, paid for my own university, and now make a modest middle income as an engineer because I work hard, don't waste, and don't sit around and wait for someone to hand me life.
Good thing you have the attitude you do. Maybe you can pass that " You'll never get ahead cause the man keeps you down" attitude on to you children. That's what a good parent does, right? You are as much the problem as greedy business and can't even see it.
-Any additional births during the time a family is receiving welfare benefits, is not eligible for increased welfare benefits.
-Welfare recipients must put in an 5 hour day with the local municipalities cleaning up parks, landscaping, cleaning restrooms and painting interior office spaces in return for their welfare checks. Checks are not free.
-Any recipient found to be purchasing drugs or fails a drug test, will immediately lose their welfare benefits.
-Welfare recipients must pay a set amount toward school taxes.
So ... now. After how many years? They finally figured out the difference between right and wrong? They're finally going to protect the taxpayer ... or their hands have finally reached the very bottoms of our pockets?
Yep, people buying lingerie with their welfare is what's wrong with this country alright.
And so it poor people buying lobster with their food stamps. I saw something about it on Fox news. That's the whole reason America is doomed........
It's not the whole reason, but it's a start.
If you're running a budget that's in the red at every level, why are you letting that money bleed off into things that are unnecessary?
Poverty shouldn't be comfortable. If it were less comfortable, people might be more motivated to get out of it. But let them waste that money on tattoos, booze, cigarettes and gambling, and not only do they then not have what they need to live on so they complain they don't have enough (even though they do), but they have the little luxuries that make their existence just enough to keep them from getting inspired to try independence.
reply to post by thesaneone
Sure. Punish them so they suffer even more and will have absolutely no fun or hope or illusion of a better life or for that matter even learn how to budget or make decisions for themselves. That's very smart.
This whole mad experiment is nothing more than social engineering following the path of Cloward and Piven. Class warfare is a well manipulated strategy to keep those whom created our problems hidden in the shadows while we push the blame on each other. The question is, "What will we do when all of us are getting government handouts OR no handouts at all?"......
Yeah, my niece has a tattoo business in W Virginia and she has never encountered this. I called and asked her when I read this. She said most pay in cash.
It's not the whole reason, but it's a start.
reply to post by generik
Also, back in the day, soda and chips used to be on the list of things grocery stores did not allow you to buy with food stamps. When exactly did that change? With the onset ofEBT cards? Is this a state-by-state thing?
Some stores looked the other way, but most didn't or they didn't get reimbursed. Maybe it is a case of them moving to the EBT cards without thinking through all the ramifications. Not sure exactly how they work, but if they work like cash.... Then again, there would still be ways of tracking. And finally, that still doesn't preclude the barter system for turning goods into cash. But again that's creative.edit on 3/23/2014 by ~Lucidity because: (no reason given)
Yes a thread in which you said all you see are posts against the lower class.
Funny how someone getting by on welfare isn't allowed to buy a tattoo or some nice underwear for a present. So they're only allowed to survive, not live.
When are all the bankers and stuff going to be prevented from spending their billions of taxpayers money on crystal, coke and prossies?
Hardly seems fair to exempt them. ..
Just because something else is also wrong, doesn't make stealing on a small scale wrong either. If you are using someone else's money you should not be allowed to buy a tattoo with it. The very fact that you can't see that is the problem. The reason I have money (to some degree) is because I don't buy smokes, tattoos, liquor, twinkies, premium cable etc. These are all "Luxuries". Why should I give my money to help those in need and they get these "luxuries" when I go without. You do not need a smart phone to live comfortably. If a tattoo and lacy underwear is some requirement for a happy life, then you are clearly missing the boat. Taking someone else's hard-EARNED money and shamelessly spending it on tattoos and cigarettes IS WRONG.
When I was broke, I ate cold baked beans out of the can. I cooked potatoes. I didn't have TV. I didn't get those things because I couldn't AFFORD it.
The little guy stealing IS what is wrong with the world. Changing the leaders, bankers etc. isn't going to fix anything. The little guy across the board needs to change and the whole picture will change since the little guy becomes the big guy. Why do you think those corporate thieves think it is ok? It is because they are raised in a society where it is encouraged from birth to get money by any means necessary. Think about it. Stealing is stealing regardless of amount. The fact that you don't see that is the very problem.edit on 23-3-2014 by Halfswede because: (no reason given)