Reincarnated: Past Lives; What if There’s Proof?

reply to post by Hoyden


You can't answer the question without invalidating your own dogma.

If you tell me that the soul lies dead/asleep in the grave until the end of time, waiting to be resurrected in a physical body, then Jesus is a liar. If you tell me that death is an illusion, the soul never dies, then reincarnation IS possible and probable, and a physical resurrection is superfluous.

The wind blows wherever it pleases. You hear its sound, but you cannot tell where it comes from or where it is going. So it is with everyone born of the Spirit."

So it is with everyone born of the spirit. That means me! I can go where ever I please after my body is dead and gone. This is what Jesus promised. Spiritual life and freedom. Not later, but NOW!

I can reincarnate if I so choose. If one is not born of spirit, one WILL reincarnate whether or not they choose to do so.

as I said before - discussion is possible between the people of equal knowledge.

You lack the knowledge ( your questions proved that) and therefore the discussion is not possible.

reply to post by sled735


Excellent post, bro

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To people who doubt about "reincarnation" or those who might think highly of themselves because they're born to be 'special' than others.... you might want to contemplate on these questions:
"Am I only given just this one chance to live as a frail human who only have a lifespan for 0.1 year to 160 years?"
"Am I only given just this one chance to live on this planet? Only one planet out of possible infinite numbers of earth-like planets in this universe?"

Excluding your Beliefs, Common Sense will tell you No.

Then contemplate on other people:
Why most people are destined to be 'poor', 'evil', etc. Why not You?
Why some people are destined to be 'rich', 'beautiful', etc. Why not You?

It is easy to blame The System for causing these differences... but it is too convenient for a reason, isn't it?
How about the children who are born in poor families... why can't they be born in rich families? Destiny?
Imagine you are one of those 'poor' children (If you consider yourself rich or at least live better than they are)

peace

Lets all remember the first to toss insults or character assassination is the loser of a debate

Carry on folks

Reisod
reply to post by Hoyden

 

I could post specific scripture in the NT that talks about reincarnation. Certainly, any reference's to reincarnation were removed from the bible so to keep the church in power over the people, and enforce the 'heaven and hell' concept.

I am too lazy at this moment, but shortly maybe I'll come back and post some of the references, especially the one that John the baptist is the reincarnation of Elijah.

No he is not.

There is no proof of reincarnation in the NT.

and if you are a follower of the gospel by Dan Brown - you will have plenty of likely minded people here

which does not make it correct even for a micron.

on 23-3-2014 by Akragon
lets review those then shall we?

39 This is the will of Him who sent Me, that of all that He has given Me I lose nothing, but raise it up on the last day. 40 For this is the will of My Father, that everyone who beholds the Son and believes in Him will have eternal life, and I Myself will raise him up on the last day.”

Spiritual resurrection... the body is dead... without the spirit the body has no life... Just as James said

there is no "spiritual resurrection" - the spirit can not "resurrect" - the spirit is eternal, immortal.the quote is about bodily resurrection only as only body can resurrect.

The body without the spirit is dead...

and is reunited with an immortal spirit in resurrection for the Last Judgement.

25 Truly, truly, I say to you, an hour is coming and now is, when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God, and those who hear will live. 26 For just as the Father has life in Himself, even so He gave to the Son also to have life in Himself; 27 and He gave Him authority to execute judgment, because He is [a]the Son of Man. 28 Do not marvel at this; for an hour is coming, in which all who are in the tombs will hear His voice, 29 and will come forth; those who did the good deeds to a resurrection of life, those who committed the evil deeds to a resurrection of judgment.

Already explained on the previous page... hes speaking of a spiritual resurrection

"spiritual resurrection" does not exist - it's nonsense - you can not "resurrect" something which is immortal, eternal and existing already.

On that day some Sadducees (who say there is no resurrection) came to Jesus and questioned Him, 24 asking, “Teacher, Moses said, ‘If a man dies having no children, his brother as next of kin shall marry his wife, and raise up children for his brother.’ 25 Now there were seven brothers with us; and the first married and died, and having no children left his wife to his brother; 26 so also the second, and the third, down to the seventh. 27 Last of all, the woman died. 28 In the resurrection, therefore, whose wife of the seven will she be? For they all had married her.”

29 But Jesus answered and said to them, “You are mistaken, not [a]understanding the Scriptures nor the power of God. 30 For in the resurrection they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are like angels in heaven. 31 But regarding the resurrection of the dead, have you not read what was spoken to you by God: 32 ‘I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob’? He is not the God of the dead but of the living.” 33 When the crowds heard this, they were astonished at His teaching.

You err neither knowing the scriptures nor the power of God... we are like angels in the resurrection... Angels have no flesh, no physical body... again, spiritual resurrection

Looks like you do not know the Gospels at all.

AFTER the Judgement. Not before. Before - we ( as a soul) reunite with the resurrected body and undergo the Judgement. this is, most probably, done to make us all equal before the God - as there are going to be still LIVING people undergoing the Last Judgement, so in no way their bodies are of any angelic nature. After the Judgement the righteous ones - both still living and resurrected dead will undergo changing of them in order to become angel-like. But that will happen only after the Judgement. Before - everyone is going to be in their earthly body

24 Martha *said to Him, “I know that he will rise again in the resurrection on the last day.” 25 Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life; he who believes in Me will live even if he dies,

really has nothing to do with the topic at hand, but again we see him say.. the body dies, the spirit lives on...

sure, until the Last Judgement - when spirit reunites with the resurrected body for the Judgement

Spiritual resurrection... where the spirit is resurrected from the body when the body fails

there is no "spiritual resurrection" - it's nonsense. spirit can not "resurrect" it is already immortal.

so for the umteeth time.... there is NO bodily resurrection

for gizillionth time - there is only bodily resurrection
Jesus did not teach resurrection of the body... HE was the exception to the rule because he needed to show his followers life continues after the death of the body...

Yes, He did. It is only body which can resurrect. The spirit is immortal. He taught exactly about the resurrection of the body for the Last Judgement

ONLY he was resurrected in the body... and it had a purpose as I just explained...

Nope. Lazarus was also resurrected in his body. and some others ( the daughter of the soldier as I recall as well).
And all of our bodies will be resurrected for the Last Judgement - as He taught and us proven by all the above quotes

And lazurus of course... I guess I should add that... and look at the state of him after only a few days...

We are resurrected in the spirit... TO resurrect means to restore life... the spirit is restored to its former glory...

Nope. Spirit can not be resurrected - it is immortal. Body can and will. For the Last Judgement. And then it will be changed to fit the Heaven for those who will pass the Judgement.

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