8 Ancient Beliefs Now Backed By Modern Science

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posted on Mar, 23 2014 @ 02:32 PM
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Well i thought some here would find this interesting. Thanks for contributing.




posted on Mar, 23 2014 @ 10:34 PM
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People believed earth was flat because Vedic tradition was lost.

Veda tells us that earth is a solid round body.

Veda also tells us the foundation of science, The Creation, the God etc.

If science is developed in an honest manner, people will realize Veda is true.

Unfortunately, western science is a cult where truth is often suppressed to keep alive a cult that want to dominate the power structures of this planet.



posted on Mar, 23 2014 @ 11:13 PM
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OK Veda may not have references to a flat earth but the subject always reminds me of this.




posted on Mar, 24 2014 @ 02:29 AM
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OtherSideOfTheCoin
Nice thread but most of this stuff is very subjective and i would really like to see the actual science behind "compassion is the key to a meaningful life", that is just way to subjective to be proven by science

Like i say nice thread but I doubt that most of this stuff has actually been proven in science to the extent that full studies have been done and the results published in reputable journals.


Firstly, you don't understand science if you think that ANYTHING can be proven by science. Secondly, the op doesn't claim these things are proven by science, but rather that they are now backed by modern science.

Actually, full studies have been done and have been published in reputable journals.

Jaden



posted on Mar, 24 2014 @ 02:46 AM
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You'll see, when you're the one requiring a little compassion from someone else.

Oh...I'm sorry. That's right. Some of you heroes will never need help or compassion from anyone - ever.

Compassion is what losers and "takers" demand from winners and "makers".

Sorry again. I forgot which site I'm on for a moment.


I honestly feel bad for you. The old saying, " Don't judge till you've walked a mile in ( Blank )'s shoes." Comes to mind. I've had a series of never ending health issues. I even spent 3 years in a wheel chair after dying 5+ minutes from a Pancreatic tumor which went undiagnosed for 1.5 years due to my lack of pain, as usual even though all other symptoms were there. They knew more on Harold and Kumar. 2nd movie I think. I have MS, all my main organs for surviving will eventually shut down. I went to 59 lbs & was sent to a hospital out of the town I was in, which is only when the town's only hospital sends the ill who are never expected to make it back alive particularly by 1 main Dr. & 1 main Nurse who treat the truly ill extremely bad. Picked on the very ill even. That Dr. came right out & said," You're gonna die again Mom, but you can't come back again."
Imagine their surprise when 7 months later, I WALKED into that town's only Hospital, a robust 85 lbs, up the stairs to office administration!
I complained. But not without the backing of 4 specialists and a letter from the College of Physicians & Surgeons. I'd been sick, not crazy or stupid, & I'm still in the Medical field albeit only researching & writing study guides & workbooks for Universities for Medical Students now. But still in.
Imagine the Dr. & Nurse's surprise when they saw me. lol! Priceless. The Nurse had to fully retrain 2 years without any Promise that her job & position would be there for her upon completion. Administration didn't want a complaint about the town's only specialist. But I showed how he was responsible for a lot more deaths than recoveries as well as ratios of death compared to other towns the same size & some of those towns were even lacking a specialist or equipment or lab workers, etc.
HE was sent to a mental institute for 2 years THEN had to retrain totally if he wanted to work as just a regular Dr. again without the authority to perform surgeries or even prescribe certain medication till an assessment is done on him several times. Unfortunate but since there is so many places short on medical staffing, those are the terms.
Yet I feel horrible as being the cause of their now troubles even though I was told not to be as somebody else would have eventually taken such action, & this action was not completely from just my complaint & to think of it as speaking out for those unable to for themselves & the lives that will potentially be saved. Yet I remain feeling badly for the Dr. & Nurse.
The compassion from the Doctors & Nurses at the Hospital I was sent to as well as a recent late Uncle and a recent late Aunt ( Different side of the family ), sneaking me weed to help my appetite for I was not allowed to leave till I reached an unclothed 85 lbs. I didn't tell them I have 8 lbs of metal in me lol!
Point is: WE don't know what problems those seemingly, ' Heroes who appear that they'll never need help or compassion from anyone,' those that actually coin us as, ' losers and takers, ' proclaim themselves, winners & makers,' in all likelihood, could not survive or endure what we have but on the other side of the coin, could we survive & endure the problems, pains, mentally & physically, or other problems they may have? Cause I've seen they DO have some kind of problem/s that I would not ever want to take on, but are usually hidden from others such as any kind of addictions, the choices they HAVE to make, childhood traumas that possibly made them the way they are, their shown bravado when their dying slow deaths inside from hidden domestic problems or family problems, etc? At least theothersideofthecoin has stated they have an open mind & is willing to learn.....most never say that....not even those coined,' losers & takers,' will say that for those self proclaimed,' winners & makers.' Most of those,' winners & takers,' when shown compassion don't trust it. Can you imagine going through life like THAT? I can't.....Blessings



posted on Mar, 24 2014 @ 03:57 AM
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Yep. Birch trees work well for similar properties. Nearly all pharmaceuticals come from natural sources. They find something that works from nature, synthesize it, patent it, then charge insane amounts for what we have in our back yards.

For example, I've been making great little tonics from Star Anise (which is what they make Tamiflu with) and my wife and I haven't gotten even remotely sick this last winter (even though our daughter spent the winter with various colds since she's too young for most of my potions).

I think if the active ingredients in medications were common knowledge, we would see a huge surge in herbalism.


Yes.
Herbalism IS way up here already, but so are the prices especially to those who are consultants or actually Dr. s of.
We use Enchesea & Seneca Root here to keeps colds and flu s at bay.
Most people don't know that regular smoking was originally prescribed for stomach problems or ' womanly problems.' And like any drug, has had it's share of 'bad side effects.'
We use Birch bark here in Military, Knights of Columbus ( Co-Ed since the mid 1970's ) survival training, etc, as not just a medicinal remedy but also shown how to fashion it as a pot for a nutritious soup if nothing else is available.
So many every day home kitchen supplies like your Star Anise, Ginger for tummy upsets, energy booster & thinking booster, Mint for tummy upset, soothing compresses, colds & to soothe anxiety, Cayenne pepper as a blood coagulant, Lemon or Vinegar as blood thinners, Vinegar as an antiseptic, Salt as an antiseptic, antibacterial, sore throats, & healing wounds, Garlic as a natural antibiotic & blood thinner, etc. And Coffee was also originally prescribed for stomach issues & low blood pressure, migraine, though now some believe it to cause migraines despite coffee being a vasodilator as migraines often are caused by vasoconstriction, a natural bronchodilator for asthma, an antioxidant to help clear such things that can lead to cancer or heart attack, Powdered mustard in oil, wrapped to the bottom of feet as only 1 of many antitoxins, and so many more that an awesome thread has been started here on ATS with the promise of a new plant listed daily.
As with all drugs though, one still has to watch for adverse effects, contraindications with other meds natural or prescribed synthetic or natural ingredients, & allergies. Honey has a few medicinal uses as well but I'm deathly allergic, ( Anaphylactic Reaction ).
But all of these are best made with love and compassion as well as when treating someone.
Yet there are so many who choose make their lives more difficult by totally dismissing the OP ancient remedies among so many other proven ancient remedies calling them all, not a true science or merely too simple to do what they can so just dismiss them entirely without even attempting to give them an honest try despite if learned, most cost very little if anything at all which brings us back to your statement that Pharmaceuticals don't want us knowing these things.
I like the way you think & will continually wish your wife peace of mind and your Father less suffering, most of all, the blessings you need at such a harsh break in life.



posted on Mar, 24 2014 @ 08:20 AM
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Best advice ever given to me....

"Remember, you're just a walk on part in everyone else's play".......

PA



posted on Mar, 24 2014 @ 09:23 AM
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No doubt the ancients knew some valuable stuff. In fact I'm often annoyed by the claim that aliens must have built the pyramids because humans were too stupid to do it. Humans had plenty of smarts and they had certain tools, but modern science wasn't one of them.

Many of these ideas are hard to argue with, some are like tautologies, like saying doing things that make you feel good will make you feel good. So there is unavoidable truth in tautologies and I'm not against this stuff.

However the claim that the ancient ideas have been scientifically tested is less than scientifically rigorous in many cases. Here is an example:

Compassion meditation may boost neural basis of empathy, study finds

The meditation protocol, known as Cognitively-Based Compassion Training, or CBCT, is derived from ancient Tibetan Buddhist practices, although the program is secular in content and presentation.
OK here's the science.

To validate the claim in the story in a scientifically valid manner about what ancients believed, wouldn't they have to do the experiment on what the ancients actually believed, and not some ultra-modern-sounding derivation of it? How much does the derivation actually resemble the actual ancient practice and belief?

If we go by the name, I think it's safe to say the ancients didn't use terms like "Cognitively-Based Compassion Training". The article goes on to point out there are some major differences, like the actual ancient practice was not secular, and the form used in the study is secular, so, not the same thing.


Although derived from ancient Tibetan Buddhist practices, the CB CT program is secular in content and presentation


A true scientist would say the study tells us something about secular Cognitively-Based Compassion Training, but I doubt they would claim Cognitively-Based Compassion Training is an accurate representation of the ancient beliefs.
edit on 24-3-2014 by Arbitrageur because: clarification



posted on Mar, 24 2014 @ 09:30 AM
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727Sky

Five rules to remember in life:

1. Money can't buy happiness but it's more comfortable to cry in a BMW than on a bicycle.

2. Forgive your enemy but remember the bastard’s name.

3. If you help someone when they're in trouble, they will remember you when they're in trouble again.

4. Many people are alive only because it's illegal to shoot them.

5. Alcohol does not solve any problems, but then neither does milk.

And a Bonus Rule:

Condoms do not guarantee safe sex.

A friend of mine was wearing one when he was shot by the woman's husband.


And never criticize another man until you've walked a mile in his shoes.

Because what's he going to do then?

You're a mile away, and you have his shoes.



posted on Mar, 24 2014 @ 02:02 PM
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While a lot of it is subjective, it is also common sense (which is also subjective). And considering the current state of the country and world, it might be time to go back to those old ways and have compassion and act out of good will rather than profit.



posted on Mar, 24 2014 @ 02:44 PM
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The Flat Earth Myth is nothing but a myth created in the late 19th Century for the probable purpose of disinformation with the idea being that "intellectuals having a history of being grossly wrong in the past". The concept of a flat earth faced a logical death starting around 600 bce and officially and resoundingly died in 300 bce.

Actual more flat earth or earth is the center of the universe concepts came from the Church, itself. Even in the 6th century AD though, even they thought it was a round disc. By the 7th century AD, Bede the Venerable was stating the earth was a globe though in the center of the universe. This is a tilting towards pre-existing scientific observations of a spherical globe earth but with the tilt of Christian supremacy placed upon it. If one can go back 1300 years in the Church's own writings and find globular earths then it utterly dismantles this idea that "old world intellectuals" held that the earth was flat.

It's just sad that the myth of the flat earth still is so prevalent. Really shows the power that propaganda holds though, doesn't it?



posted on Mar, 24 2014 @ 02:51 PM
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It would seem as though in this circumstance, "The Yellow Emperor" was not in fact one person but rather a group of researchers who's work was gathered together under that person's name:



Historical Origins of Classical Chinese Medicine Texts and Herbal Usage

AS to the how:


The purpose of this study was to determine whether bio-energy transfer occurs during acupuncture of the meridians. ... These results suggest that there may be bio-energy (Qi) transfer during acupuncture along the meridians. This transferred bio-energy (Qi) seems to act as an electromotive force, which is purported to remove the stagnation or blockage of energy and restore an equilibrium state.


Is There Any Energy Transfer During Acupuncture?

now, back to the thread...

Thank you slayer, this looks like an interesting discussion could be had by all.



posted on Mar, 24 2014 @ 05:41 PM
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The first post suggests that all ancients thought that the world is flat, but that's not at all the case. There were ancient Greeks who knew that the Earth was not flat and also that it was in space, and that it was not the center of the universe, too. People forget that the Greeks, Romans, and other earlier societies had a catastrophic collapse into the Dark Ages, when the mass of Europeans went back to being ignorant of many things like this.


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The ancients also taught us genocide, intolerance, superstition, torture, and to judge others based on their belief, rather than their individual merit.


To say that these things are inherited is taking away the power of the individual. We have to make our own choices, and these choices are how the cycles of violence will end. There were many philosophical and religious leaders in the past who taught love and non-violence. A person has a choice what they listen to. Even Christians, who in America killed something on the order of 20 million Native Americans, could have read their Bibles and actually listened to Jesus, and many of them did. We all have to make these choices individually, and can't put off responsibility onto others.



posted on Mar, 24 2014 @ 07:22 PM
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I had a doctor use acupuncture, but hooked up an electric current to it. Did it help? It sure made me feel better for the short term. Long term, it was more about the body healing than any treatment done. But the "deep muscle stimulation" felt good. Released endorphins and had the physical effect of a good, hard massage.

Thats my experience with that particular type of medicine.



posted on Mar, 25 2014 @ 01:54 AM
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Best advice ever given to me....

"Remember, you're just a walk on part in everyone else's play".......


I totally get that. & how very precisely worded



posted on Mar, 25 2014 @ 02:07 AM
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Thank you ever so much for this Hon......~JmR~ A superb annotation.....
~x0~



posted on Mar, 25 2014 @ 04:04 AM
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Here it is Mr.
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posted on Mar, 25 2014 @ 04:16 AM
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Masterjaden

Firstly, you don't understand science if you think that ANYTHING can be proven by science. Secondly, the op doesn't claim these things are proven by science, but rather that they are now backed by modern science.

Actually, full studies have been done and have been published in reputable journals.

Jaden


Erm, you may want to recheck your "science" definition. And if you can read, in the article states "Here are eight ancient beliefs and practices that have been confirmed by modern science." Confirmed is a synonym of proven, or Im wrong(I can be, do that a lot)?

But its good to see that they confirm that your state of mind dictates your physical state, and viceversa.

Sadly the huffington source is not going to give it any points...



posted on Mar, 25 2014 @ 04:30 AM
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Yusomad
Erm, you may want to recheck your "science" definition. And if you can read, in the article states "Here are eight ancient beliefs and practices that have been confirmed by modern science." Confirmed is a synonym of proven, or Im wrong(I can be, do that a lot)?
Nothing is ever 100% proven true in science, but things can be and are proven false when they contradict observation. You can get up to 99.9999999% though, statistically at least.

If science confirms something, it's usually a statistical correlation, the lowest of which is generally 95%, meaning 19 out of 20 studies at that percentage will be correct, one out of 20 will be wrong, so you can see it's far from proof.

In particle physics like LHC search for the Higgs or "God" particle I think they were going for 5 sigma (standard deviations) which means you'd win 3 lotteries in a row before it would happen by chance, or something like that. It's still not 100% proof, but it's a very high level of confidence.

Turns out you have to read the scientific paper in each case to see how many standard deviations were attributed to the observations, sometimes it's much higher than 5, like 8 or 20.

95% confidence by the way is something like 2 standard deviations.



posted on Mar, 25 2014 @ 11:06 AM
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Did 'Old World intellectuals' ever really believe the Earth was flat? I'm not saying you think that Slayer, but the fact that this is stated in the opening sentence really does set the tone. The points listed are on the whole subjective and based I guess on strawman samples - love alone certainly isn't going to stop you starving to death.





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