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what about Matthew 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
Most interestingly, in Deuteronomy Moses goes so far as to stress that the law must not be waved aside out of compassion. “Show no pity,” the text says, “ life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot” (Deut 19:21). Yet, Jesus not only commands people to “show pity,” he replaces the Old Testament quid pro quo ethic with his radical ethic of unconditional love.
For example, while the Old Testament allowed Israelites to hate their enemies and sometimes command them to slaughter them, Jesus forbid his disciples from ever hating or doing any harm to an enemy. Instead, he commanded people to “love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you” (Mt 5:43-45). Luke includes the command to “do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you” and “pray for those who mistreat you” (Lk 6:27-28).
Most surprising of all, Jesus emphatically makes loving enemies rather than hating them the precondition to being a child of God. We’re to love, bless, pray for and do good to our enemies “that you may be children of your Father in heaven” (Mt 5:45, emphasis added). Only if we love indiscriminately can we “be children of the Most High, because he is kind to the ungrateful and wicked” (Lk 6:35). Small wonder, therefore, that when Peter drew his sword in self-defense — acting in accordance with Old Testament norms — Jesus rebuked him.
But who wrote about God in the Old Testament? Was it God writing his own autobiography, or was it people writing about God as they understood him? I think it was the latter. The Old Testament is a collection of material written by many people, in many situations, over a long period of time. What they had in common was that they felt a connection to God or with the nation Israel.
Perhaps God provided special insights to some of them in some way, but we don’t know to what extent, and it seems that they had a very incomplete understanding of God. The Old Testament idea of God certainly reflects many of the assumptions about gods in the surrounding cultures of that day—things that we no longer believe.
The writers of the Old Testament were bound by the periods in which they lived, and their ideas of an angry, violent, vindictive God were products of their limitations. It is an incredible burden on them to expect that they were perfect in everything they wrote.
This is for those Christians who don't believe in the literal truth of creation and the bible. But do believe and concierge them selves Christians.
How do you decide what to believe and what not to? To an atheist it looks like cherry picking what people wish were true. While ignoring the things you don't agree with. It seems to me that almost every Christian as a nearly completely different take on what all consider to absolute truth. Logically how can any truth be found when no one even agrees on the fundamentals?
Christians seem to have forgotten that up until around 50 yrs ago they all took the bible literally and were all creationists.
reply to post by Snsoc
It helps to be really vague when you're spitting BS because if someone comes back and calls you on it, there's all sorts of blank spaces to park the next round of BS. Just saying.
reply to post by ketsuko
Actually if you didn't research, then your belief in science would be faith based. However if you care to learn the mechanics of the universe. Then see those mechanics tested and proven correct. You don't need faith at all. You know scientifically what conclustion to make. I'm not reading a mainly disproven science text book and having faith some of its true. That's what Christians do with the bible.
IMHO if god were real it should be testable. Prayer should have a measurable effect on more then just people's brain. Or some such animal.
Oh hate to beat a dead horse, but the creation story is testable... We know you can't have planets, oceans and plants before you have stars... That's very testable.
reply to post by deadlyhope
It is believed the Bible is a book from god, not that each and every copy was hand-written in simple terms everyone can understand/no one could debate.
Because no god would ever resort to such infallible, practical, common-sense measures, right? Its ludicrous to think they might actually take steps to prevent a notoriously flawed society from misreading or misinterpreting something so sacred and important. Utterly laughable, right?
reply to post by Snsoc
I agree about the geneologies and the fact no one knows gods time table. However the bible is pretty specific. It says 1 day per big addition and 7 days till completion. A day should be a pretty universal concept...... At least in the whole revolution around the sun part.
for all the people that say the bible is the truth....which truth?
this video shows that there could be up to 50 books of the bible that were left out. and that's not even counting what has been edited out of the ones that are currently in circulation. "the word of god" becomes meaningless, when "man" has changed it for centuries.
I personally have 1 belief, no church needed, no priest needed, no book needed....it's called the "golden rule"...easy to understand, extremely hard to follow 100% percent of the time...