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Edward Snowden: Here's how we take back the Internet

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posted on Mar, 21 2014 @ 09:05 PM
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If Snowden put it all out there he would fade away into obscurity. We would read it, take what we want to hear, then use the printout to line the bottom of our bird cages. People who want him to give it all over in one single release are like impatient six year old's who want to open their Christmas presents NOW....December twenty third! This man could die trying to show how the NSA is operating illegally and totally without respect for the citizens of the US and for that matter, the world at large!




posted on Mar, 21 2014 @ 09:20 PM
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cosmicexplorer


It is good it goes like this....we have memories like gold fish....if they released it all...theyd only talk about the top 2-3 things then wed all be onto something else....this is good....drilling it in the public every day...jsut liek the gov woudl do to us with "terrorism".

People on ATS are excluded from my analysis...we would take all the data and talk on it for years...but the masses dont think like us.


The internet as we knew is totally kaput. I discovered just today that all the big service providers knew about PRISM, they should have closed up shop there and then, they didn't. That's what Snowden is talking about in the video...encryption for every page you visit. Even then???



posted on Mar, 21 2014 @ 09:21 PM
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If i had information capable of bringing America to its knees in a manner that we are talking about with Snowden, I think that might be an approach I would take.


Reform...or destroy? I must say, I didn't always appreciate the difference or even that there was a significant difference to matter. I have to also say though, the more history I've learned and absorbed over my life, from History Channel (before it became a joke in many ways) and self enrichment, the more I've come to realize a very simple truth.

When major powers fall, reform isn't what we'd call what follows. In any case, honestly, which I can think of and going back before the Greeks. Isolated and pitiful collapse, alone, has happened..but not real often, and never lonely for long. Vacuums need filled, and man or nature will see to it.

I'll do almost anything within my power and which doesn't violate my conscience or integrity to see reform and change come. Major powers that become vacuums have greatly reduced population, generally speaking, when it's all over. I live in a state which wouldn't get games played with it, if, God forbid, we get to see what fighting for our own nation comes to be like. Texas wouldn't have it better...and many wouldn't see how it ended, either way.

If that IS what is coming, many, today, have a few years left them. Probably less. Consider it in those terms, when rooting for bringing down the system, is my thinking. It's not such a noble thought, IMO.

I'm in no hurry for that. A lifetime from now would be too soon....though I'll never stop being active to reform and change. Not while health permits, and that permits a lot in the electronic age. (something else we'd likely not see restored for a generation or more if real war broke out......as would follow a true collapse of part or all of the United States.)



posted on Mar, 21 2014 @ 09:34 PM
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minkmouse
If Snowden put it all out there he would fade away into obscurity. We would read it, take what we want to hear, then use the printout to line the bottom of our bird cages.


I would sincerely argue the opposite. If he has the true and meaningful goods, and not within the lower 'need to know' even a network admin would have for his work, then what he has could very well deliver the same shock to the system for HARD, DIRECT and downright pissed off American change that came from the aftermath of Vietnam and the bloodletting of intelligence.

A body blow and general system shock is what it took for the Church and Pike committees, which gutted the CIA to a shadow of their former selves until Reagan came along and goosed them back into dominance with Casey as Director.

Dribbled out at a rate which will take decades....(and I absolutely do not, nor will I ever believe he didn't take most if not all of that with him into Russia. Russia isn't the Salvation Army. They don't do free shelter), each revelation will make us a bit more numb to the next.

It's called desensitization when it's done deliberately and for a purpose.


21 March 2014. Add 7 pages to Le Monde. Tally now *1,351 pages of The Guardian first reported 58,000 files; caveat: Janine Gibson, The Guardian NY, said on 30 January 2014 "much more than 58,000 files in first part, two more parts" (no numbers) (tally now less than ~1.8%). DoD claims 1,700,000 files (~.0062% of that released). ACLU lists 525 pages released by the press.
Source

I literally won't live long enough by age to see it all at this rate, but I think it may get dumped at a strategic moment to burn and isolate the US from anyone left near us as friends. A bad feeling..as things in the world are turning and taking shape.



posted on Mar, 21 2014 @ 09:40 PM
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I understand what you're saying but if it's all on the table and nothing changes he's toast! It's self preservation holding back, but your argument is valid also.
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posted on Mar, 21 2014 @ 09:46 PM
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The NSA responded via TED and I feel it's only fair that response is featured in this thread.


After a surprise appearance by Edward Snowden at TED2014, Chris Anderson said: "If the NSA wants to respond, please do." And yes, they did. Appearing by video, NSA deputy director Richard Ledgett answers Anderson's questions about the balance between security and protecting privacy.



It's less cool without Eds robot, but the mouth foaming lagging artefacts make up for the lack of eye candy. It fits the crackling microphone volume perfectly.



posted on Mar, 21 2014 @ 09:54 PM
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Wrabbit2000
I absolutely do not, nor will I ever believe he didn't take most if not all of that with him into Russia. Russia isn't the Salvation Army. They don't do free shelter), each revelation will make us a bit more numb to the next.

It's called desensitization when it's done deliberately and for a purpose.


21 March 2014. Add 7 pages to Le Monde. Tally now *1,351 pages of The Guardian first reported 58,000 files; caveat: Janine Gibson, The Guardian NY, said on 30 January 2014 "much more than 58,000 files in first part, two more parts" (no numbers) (tally now less than ~1.8%). DoD claims 1,700,000 files (~.0062% of that released). ACLU lists 525 pages released by the press.
Source

I literally won't live long enough by age to see it all at this rate, but I think it may get dumped at a strategic moment to burn and isolate the US from anyone left near us as friends. A bad feeling..as things in the world are turning and taking shape.


Wrab, If you mean this Ukraine crisis, that would mean that Ukraine itself is partying to Russia, that's a big if.



posted on Mar, 21 2014 @ 10:03 PM
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No, I don't mean to suggest a connection... this Ukraine crisis has been in the making since 2011 to look at how long these Democracy groups within Ukraine have been funded as line items in US AID distributions. The two don't track for connection beyond coincidence of timing and how the impact of one (Snowdens leaks up to now) may have contributed to overall weakness that encouraged Putin to stop our meddling in a very rude way with the other, already ongoing.

It's a mess and surely, no one quite meant this for how it should go. Then, they never really do. Miscalculations all around here, as it's looking to me. It's just too high stakes to stop for either side. It always seems to be, on these things. (deep sigh)

Naww... If Snowden has "the goods" in those 1.7 million docs the Pentagon have him good for taking, then Ukraine isn't near strategic enough a moment. The eve of pushing hard on something or about to go into a meaningful deadline, just to flip the tables 180 degrees with a viciousness would sound far better. At least, if what he took is half what it's claimed to be.

Using it that way would also give full and total truth to the title many brand him with already, I'd add.



posted on Mar, 21 2014 @ 10:35 PM
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Another point about Ed and the InterWeb. Is the InterWeb really that important? No. Why do I say this? I can still pick up a phone an order a pizza. People can still get a new set of tires for they're car, by picking up a phone. people can still find out they're bank balace with a phone. My point? Telephone Numbers and IP addresses are EXACTLY the same and work the exact same way. if the internet were to get throttled, or censored, or disappear, would I miss it? Yes. Porn on paper takes up space !
Trust me. If our "Feral Government" was on the ball, the first time our guys eyeballed him and could take a "safe" shot, he would have gotten a bullet in the head. What he stole, he says he did because he had a "Higher Calling" to do so. I would imagine a lot of "criminals" say the same thing. And good women and men who die every day in service to this country, and I'm not just talking about armed forces personnel, I'm talking Cops, Fire Fighters, ambulance drivers, emergency room personnel, Customs & border agents, etc don't deserve that. If snowden was such a great guy, he would have given that info to the people it affects most, the taxpayers that paid for it's production in the first place. It's like wikileaks, I don't have a problem with them exposing stuff that is beyond the pale but give that informatin to the people of the country were it come from first. Ed Snowden isn't a hero. He's a criminal. And he should NEVER be allowed to return to U.S. territory. unless it's in a body bag. ANd Ed Snowden "saving" the internet? I suppose your going to tell me next the if I like my doctor, I can keep my doctor! (I'm very lucky, I like my doctor, and I get to keep him, and it has nothing to do with "PelosiCare" !



posted on Mar, 21 2014 @ 10:42 PM
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Always good to see the other side of the story and kudos to them for getting involved. I worry only that at the end of the day this deputy could run for the hills claiming he never knew. The man definitely tells us what we want to hear...Your privacy is safe with us unless you're up to no good. Somewhere down the pike though, the definition of "no good" could change but by then the die is cast. The man made me feel all warm and cozy for the NSA....I HATE THAT!
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posted on Mar, 21 2014 @ 10:54 PM
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Really good video. I had no idea this discussion had taken place. Surprise!!

I'd say Ledgett was very forthcoming and wonder what else might have been said had his interview been non-hostile (yeah, it was civil) like Snowden's. Really impressed the NSA thought enough of this opportunity to put the freaking Deputy Director in the hot-seat of a forum like TED.

Bows to D.Wolf. Hope the
saw fit to reward you with applause.



posted on Mar, 22 2014 @ 02:51 AM
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I watched half the video until he started looking, talking like an infomercial. He talks like he's selling something thst isn't really what he's presenting it to be.

He sort of looks like the mouthy kid on the Polar Express
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posted on Mar, 22 2014 @ 07:41 AM
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mysterioustranger
If its so important...release the damn stuff already. But he isnt...If it was, he would...but he's not...so it isnt.


He gave all the information to the guardian BEFORE going to Russia, Snowden did his part, now the Guardian needs to sell papers.

Also a lot of the information was destroyed by Camerons goons who are trying to cover up their own corruption.



posted on Mar, 22 2014 @ 07:44 AM
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I think the whole snowden thing was allowed to happen. Why? because it creates a psychological effect you are always being watched. Until the news was revealed most people it was out of sight and mind. Well, that's my conspiracy wisdom for the week.



posted on Mar, 22 2014 @ 08:13 AM
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I wonder what people will do when they finally find out who was really behind nine eleven?



posted on Mar, 22 2014 @ 03:43 PM
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chiefsmom
To be honest, I'm tired of hearing about more revelations, the biggest revelations, all to come.

Just flipping release it!!!!
All of it!!!!

What are you waiting for?????


Part of me agrees, but when I think about it, i feel like the steady trickle of information may be the most effective way of keeping this discussion alive. Our media and the public that follows them have a short attention span. One big dump of information makes the news cycle, but all it takes is one stupid comment from a politician or celebrity and everyone becomes distracted. We have a bad tendency for moving on and forgetting issues.

Most wouldn't read one big dump either. Slowly rolling out the information has a way of highlighting important parts.
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posted on Mar, 22 2014 @ 03:56 PM
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FatherStacks

AzureSky
Where do we find all his leaks?
I want to be up to date on this because, if he has all the info i think he may have,
i will cry in happiness for the truth.


Or here.

Thanks for that! Now, seeing as I've seen not a one of these firsthand,I've got a lot of catching up to do.



posted on Mar, 22 2014 @ 09:42 PM
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The N.S.A. controversy didn't start with Snowden. Many news sources were publishing about the issue, like "WIRED" magazine for example. Then Snowden does his grab and run with documents ... to Russia. From there he occasionally releases documents to insert himself into the issue and into the media. It looks like he is trying to control the spin on this issue. Ask what subjects don't appear in the documents he releases? For example, doesn't the N.S.A. spy on criminals? What documents have been released about the mafia, drug cartels, etc. ? None I'm aware of. Something is stinks about Edward Snowden!



posted on Mar, 23 2014 @ 04:52 AM
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Being a big follower of Edward Snowden, Every time I see "Edward Snowden blah blah blah", I smile, and realize, there is truly some hope left for humanity.



posted on Mar, 23 2014 @ 05:08 AM
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You know, I think the NSA even spied on Russia and China occasionally.

Yes..I do believe I recall reading that in a book somewhere, now that I think about it.


Those whole national sections must be among the stuff he missed the opportunity to grab as he headed East. Funny how that all works, huh?



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