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Vovin
reply to post by DJW001
Not at all. What I'm disagreeing in regards to the sources presented is that they are still pushing a rediculous agenda that revolves around Russia aggressively invading Crimea, and that they are obviously not objectively reporting the real situation.
Xcathdra
Vovin
reply to post by DJW001
Not at all. What I'm disagreeing in regards to the sources presented is that they are still pushing a rediculous agenda that revolves around Russia aggressively invading Crimea, and that they are obviously not objectively reporting the real situation.
www.abovetopsecret.com...
Vovin
Xcathdra
Vovin
reply to post by DJW001
Not at all. What I'm disagreeing in regards to the sources presented is that they are still pushing a rediculous agenda that revolves around Russia aggressively invading Crimea, and that they are obviously not objectively reporting the real situation.
www.abovetopsecret.com...
Your subjective opinion that Crimean self-defense forces are secretly Russian soldiers is not real evidence of a Russian invasion. Do you have real evidence? I've seen sources that have claimed that the CSDF started off with Berkut officers that were exiled from western Ukraine after violent assaults by fascists.
I'm asking you to prove that there was a Russian invasion. You are posting sources that claim that the CSDF is actually the Russian military and I'm simply going along with the mainstream narrative that has always maintained that the CSDF are Crimean/Ukrainian.
Soldier: What publication do you work for?
Journalist: UkrStream.
Soldier: So it's Ukrainian.
Journalist: Yes. Are you Ukrainian?
Soldier: Us? We are Russian.
Journalist: Then please explain what Russian troops are doing on Ukrainian territory.
DJW001
reply to post by Vovin
I'm asking you to prove that there was a Russian invasion. You are posting sources that claim that the CSDF is actually the Russian military and I'm simply going along with the mainstream narrative that has always maintained that the CSDF are Crimean/Ukrainian.
The Geneva Convention requires that military units wear the uniform of their country. Why does the 'CSDF' have full kit, but wear no colors? Who is its commanding officer? Why does he not hold press conferences? Why do they use vehicles with Russian license plates? The men themselves admit they are Russian:
Soldier: What publication do you work for?
Journalist: UkrStream.
Soldier: So it's Ukrainian.
Journalist: Yes. Are you Ukrainian?
Soldier: Us? We are Russian.
Journalist: Then please explain what Russian troops are doing on Ukrainian territory.
www.newrepublic.com...
Please stop insulting everyone's intelligence.
Yusomad
DJW001
reply to post by Vovin
I'm asking you to prove that there was a Russian invasion. You are posting sources that claim that the CSDF is actually the Russian military and I'm simply going along with the mainstream narrative that has always maintained that the CSDF are Crimean/Ukrainian.
The Geneva Convention requires that military units wear the uniform of their country. Why does the 'CSDF' have full kit, but wear no colors? Who is its commanding officer? Why does he not hold press conferences? Why do they use vehicles with Russian license plates? The men themselves admit they are Russian:
Soldier: What publication do you work for?
Journalist: UkrStream.
Soldier: So it's Ukrainian.
Journalist: Yes. Are you Ukrainian?
Soldier: Us? We are Russian.
Journalist: Then please explain what Russian troops are doing on Ukrainian territory.
www.newrepublic.com...
Please stop insulting everyone's intelligence.
The fact that the russian troops were already in crimea is inconvenient for you huh?
Since that invalidates you invasion claims Ill do the very thing you do.
woodwardjnr
reply to post by DJW001
They belonged to the Russian Black Sea Fleet, up to 25,000 Russian troops can be stationed there, it's not like we don't see our own special forces occasionally not wearing official uniforms, while on the ground in certain military theatres. I don't think we can be the judges of the Geneva convention after what we have been up to in Afghan and Iraq, but if your compelled to take the moral high ground, so be it.
woodwardjnr
reply to post by DJW001
You'll have to excuse my ignorance, in this context I don't know what a SOFA is. I thought it was something you sat on.
Vovin
Geneva convention? I did not realize that people still follow it, or ever really have.
But if we want to get into the legality of the situation (btw all international law is customary), then why are we now ignoring the Responsibility to Protect doctrine only when Russia invokes it? Independent Crimea requested Russian assistance.
Both sides of the argument stem directly from whether people believe in Crimea asserting independence or not. I personally only see hypocrisy when supporters of the Kiev coup faction deny democracy in Crimea.