Are we losing the war on disinfo?

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posted on Mar, 20 2014 @ 05:12 AM
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The art of deception has a long and obviously brutal history. It has been the trump card that has started revolutions, felled empires, and aided those who would use it for their own devices. And thanks to the anonymity of the internet, those with sinister motives are free to manipulate the masses without fear of discovery or capture unlike the years gone by.

While the motives are not so clear, one aspect is made perfectly clear: the plan is working perfectly.

How often do you see a topic arise that perfectly divides opinion? Sometimes these are harmless questions posed to provoke a thoughtful discussion, However there are others meant to incite disparity and conflict and once polite conversations are quickly becoming flurries of accusation and derision. A good analogy would be the brothers Grimm Brave little tailor, who threw a rock amongst giants to turn them against each other, only in this day in age we are the giants, the rock is the internet, and the brave little tailor is the disinfo agent.

However internet communities are now aware that there are spies amongst them, who have been dubbed 'shills'. However these shills don't even need to be present to incite distrust amongst the online community, since this tactic relies on peoples natural skepticism of another persons beliefs.

Believe in climate change? Shill. Like Obama? Shill. Think Kirk is better than Picard? Shill. It's becoming more often for some to accuse others of being on the payroll, when in reality most of these people are just common folk expressing a different opinion.

But the seeds of discord have been planted, and now many people are certain that the internet community is full of shills. But in reality for every shill, there are thousands of more who are not. This tactic was used perfectly by the Mongolian army, who dragged branches behind their horses to stir up dust to give the impression that their army was much larger than it actually was.

So are the disinfo campaigns that plague the internet winning the war for your opinion? only you can decide that.

I have my own theory of stopping this incursion and it's debilitating effects: By doing what we always did.

Psychological warfare relies on planting uncertainty in a certain mind. Nobody is a shill until evidence proves otherwise, and any unfounded rumors or notions can only further spread the unease and uncertainty.

And above all, deny ignorance. That is why we are here.




posted on Mar, 20 2014 @ 05:17 AM
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reply to post by Thecakeisalie
 


This is all a lie... Your government loves you...




posted on Mar, 20 2014 @ 05:17 AM
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reply to post by Thecakeisalie
 


Only a Shill would write that!

Joking. :-)

I think your right, we're too quick to judge.



posted on Mar, 20 2014 @ 05:27 AM
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Thecakeisalie

How often do you see a topic arise that perfectly divides opinion? Sometimes these are harmless questions posed to provoke a thoughtful discussion, However there are others meant to incite disparity and conflict and once polite conversations are quickly becoming flurries of accusation and derision. A good analogy would be the brothers Grimm Brave little tailor, who threw a rock amongst giants to turn them against each other, only in this day in age we are the giants, the rock is the internet, and the brave little tailor is the disinfo agent.



There are many times I get frustrated by obvious deception right here on ATS. That being said, I have also seen many times where the obvious attempts of railroading a thread fail. I have also seen the majority of this community disagree with the disinfo agent often and of course I have seen it go the other way. What makes sites like this so tragic, is with so many threads and so much input and feedback its nearly impossible to discern truth. Of course, once you have been here long enough you begin to notice patterns and certain behaviors of other posters.
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posted on Mar, 20 2014 @ 05:33 AM
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How's that saying go ... "There's a sucker born every minute?"



posted on Mar, 20 2014 @ 05:34 AM
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How do you determine who is a disinfo agent?

Is it based on their difference to your views?



posted on Mar, 20 2014 @ 05:40 AM
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AlphaHawk
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How do you determine who is a disinfo agent?

Is it based on their difference to your views?


I would say that it is someone who shows full support for something that is obviously quite corrupt, who wont listen to any of your facts or consider what you have to say.

They will just come and splurt out their propaganda and ignore any contradictory facts.



posted on Mar, 20 2014 @ 05:45 AM
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A really really good point man, i really enjoyed your insight.



posted on Mar, 20 2014 @ 05:48 AM
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reply to post by Thecakeisalie
 


YES WE ARE IN FACT LOSING

We have limited time limited energy, LIMITED PATIENCE.

While the disinfo agents receive a salary to do it, they will always show up, have the last word, always have time for rebuttal and ridicule and confuse.

We are volunteers, we don't get paid.

They do.



posted on Mar, 20 2014 @ 05:49 AM
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Rosinitiate
Of course, once you have been here long enough you begin to notice patterns and certain behaviors of other posters.


Absolutely, this Ukraine Russia situation has really brought them out in organized fashion, you can't name names because you get banned, but boy, easy to spot these guys.

3 guys on ATS, who mention Georgia and how evil Russians were invaders, completely ignoring that Georgia struck minorities first.

But they just go on with agenda, as if facts are not facts.
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posted on Mar, 20 2014 @ 05:57 AM
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AlphaHawk
How do you determine who is a disinfo agent?

Is it based on their difference to your views?


I wrote a thread explaining EXACTLY how, it was deleted in matter of seconds, I kid you not.

Basically, when a person is very smart, knowledgeable etc. And yet they won't face few simple contrary facts to their agenda.

That's a clear sign, and if pattern is repeated.

BINGO



posted on Mar, 20 2014 @ 05:57 AM
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AlphaHawk
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How do you determine who is a disinfo agent?

Is it based on their difference to your views?


No, generally because they will offer blind support of certain views that are obviously destabilizing to the collective. They intentionally develop circle arguments, use straw man tactics, etc, etc. My views have evolved over time and will continue to do so as I discern truth. I like to consider it a part of my development. There are some good threads on here that get into the specifics of disinfo agents and the tactics used, I suspect you know this though.


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posted on Mar, 20 2014 @ 06:00 AM
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I've encountered this recently.

I don't think the person is a shill, or a disinfo agent, I just think their objectivity is long gone.

As long as it sings the tune they're whistling, it's fine.

And I think this is more of an issue than shills or disinfo agents, because stubbornness and wilful ignorance just snowballs when no one questions it.

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posted on Mar, 20 2014 @ 06:01 AM
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I am not so sure you are correct .Zbigniew Brzezinski claimed at a speech at the CFR meeting that the biggest threat they faced was that the electorate was becoming more politically aware . Hillary Clinton said that they were loosing the information war .Reading threads here on ATS we find more and more people having red flags pop up and are usually able to find the balance needed to get to the truth of a matter .Factoring in the Snowden revelation of the Govt. professional shills that have infiltrated and become part of forums like face book and I would suspect even ATS would explain the divisions on some of the threads .

Like you say there will be what we could call natural divisions like religions and culture preferences .You are always going to have cult followers and popularity and even attractive avatars that might sway a persons mind .The truth seeker is a different kind of skeptic and although may be deceived for a time like anyone could be will keep that in the back of their mind for later consideration .The battles will always be daily and the war will rage on .Some will pass on to the next and wake up a few and I think it will only grow ...We are winning and will never surrender ...peace



posted on Mar, 20 2014 @ 06:07 AM
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Agree . That's why I am making a list and checking it twice . The Snowden release of the handbook gives us a good basic understanding of what to look for and how they might be operating .I rather like the challenge actually . It gives the forum another level of thought and can actually give you direction on how to respond .... peace



posted on Mar, 20 2014 @ 06:19 AM
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I would say that it is someone who shows full support for something that is obviously quite corrupt, who wont listen to any of your facts or consider what you have to say.

They will just come and splurt out their propaganda and ignore any contradictory facts


The problem is that logic could apply to a number of people. Any person thoroughly devoted to a cause can be blind to their propaganda and contradictions.



posted on Mar, 20 2014 @ 06:31 AM
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Thecakeisalie
The problem is that logic could apply to a number of people. Any person thoroughly devoted to a cause can be blind to their propaganda and contradictions.


This is true, but there is no solid way to detect one, and that seems like the logical form a disinfo agent would appear as.

I think if you find someone like I described, play your game carefully!



posted on Mar, 20 2014 @ 06:53 AM
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One very good indicator to a shill or disinfo agent is they like to call other people shills or disinfo agents!



posted on Mar, 20 2014 @ 07:13 AM
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I just wanted to post this vid link to Snowden and him talking about how we can take the internet back www.informationclearinghouse.info...



posted on Mar, 20 2014 @ 07:15 AM
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I hate to burst peoples bubbles but, if you think a "disinfo agent" is posting on a place known for being on the fringe your fooling yourselves. Nobody is going to try and influence the alien, bigfoot, 911 inside job, lizard people, doom porn, the anti-christ is here, I have a vision, everything that happens in the world is a CIA plot, NWO, martial law crowd because they are viewed as nuts. And since it has been proven time and time again that opinions on the internet do not reflect the public at large why would anybody waste their time.





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