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I think you missed the point here or maybe i was not clear enough.
But if you're going to argue that they are "good" just on the basis that they give charity,
Not because they're Masons, but because they're all part of the same organization that I'm not a part of
So I have to join the Masons if I want to get promoted to Staff Sergeant
Originally posted by stalkingwolf
Not because they're Masons, but because they're all part of the same organization that I'm not a part of
that is at least at this time your choice not the choice of the Organization. You have chosen for what ever reason not to join.
Originally posted by stalkingwolf
So I have to join the Masons if I want to get promoted to Staff Sergeant
No. however given the statements you have made here i find it unlikely any
commander would promote you if they had a choice.
Originally posted by an3rkistOf course it's my choice not to be a Mason! But why should that effect my position in the Army?
Originally posted by stalkingwolf
So I have to join the Masons if I want to get promoted to Staff Sergeant
No. however given the statements you have made here i find it unlikely any
commander would promote you if they had a choice.
Originally posted by an3rkistHmmm, I'm not entirely sure why you chose to attack me professionally, but to each his own.
Originally posted by an3rkist
I was talking about the hypothetical future, when, following this pattern, they hold 100% of the leadership positions.
Originally posted by Bondi
Whether your a mason doesn't affect your ability to move up rank in the armed forces. You could argue the fact that many high class family members do not have to go through the lower levels of the hierachy and just go straight to officer posts. Your progression in the army is down to you. Any lack of promotion could be down to a number of things, it could be as simple as your superior simply doesn't like you (not directly at you personally)
Originally posted by Bondi
As an advisory note from some one who knows, what you write can be seriously taken the wrong way. Before thinking some one is getting on at you personally, professional, give it a couple of posts. It is sometimes the way you read it.
Originally posted by an3rkist
You say that it DOESN"T effect my ability to move up in rank in the Army, yet a few people have already admitted that Masons help each other out! And like I said, I can't blame them, but that doesn't make it right.
It's discriminatory and it's wrong.
But as far as I know I have not been discriminated against because I'm not a Mason.
I was talking about the hypothetical future. At the rate this thing is going, in the near future the leaders of the Army will all be Masons. They wouldn't have ANY reason to promote anyone besides Brother Masons,
because there would be no consequences to their actions! It would only be in their interest to bring more Brother Masons into the Army, because they would "know" that they are good, honorable people.
not entirely sure why you chose to attack me professionally, but to each his own. A
Originally posted by Bondi
The same if you saw someone who was not a mason in need you would still help I am sure
Don't want to load their canons for them
Originally posted by stalkingwolf
not entirely sure why you chose to attack me professionally, but to each his own. A
not an attack. just my view of comments you have made from a supervisory
viewpoint. after a certain point promotion is more than "time in Grade" and
job quals. retention being one. you have made several comments that indicate to me you dont intend to stay in. in this age of accountants running the military
they are more likely to promote someone who is reuping to get the most for their investment. really nothing to do with being or not being, its doing or not doing.
an3rkist said:
I agree they probably do, and once again I'll mention that I never once referred to him as my "friend", (correct me if I'm wrong). And about joining the Masons? You may notice I'm an anarchist. I don't like organizations that have rank, (yes, the Army was the WRONG answer for me. I became an anarchist AFTER I joined the Army, though), or that discriminate, which is pretty much any organization. I view them as tyrannical in a small way. I don't like being told what to think in even a small way. I also don't have a strong belief in a single deity, which I'm pretty sure, (could be wrong), that that is a requirement of joining the Masons.
I agree with this part, but I assure you I won't be joining an organization who won't even tell me who they are with a certainty.
I can understand this, but I'm talking about people who are Masons WHILE being in the military.
Originally posted by billmcelligott
My name is Bill McElligott, I live in Essex, England. What else would you like to know.
Originally posted by billmcelligott
It is not clear to me if you have been upset in any way by these Masons in the Military. I had assumed that as they had invited your associate to join them , then they are approachable, their judgment might be in question but thats another point.
Originally posted by an3rkist
If you were in the Army, as a Mason, and 90% of your superiors were ANTI-masons, you would most likely feel the same way I do, correct?
Originally posted by df1
Unless you are anti-Mason the above statement is not an equivalent comparison. Perhaps you intended to say, "non-Masons"? I would guess that a typical Mason would have no problem having superiors that were non-Masons, whereas he would not be real thrilled having anti-Masons as his superiors. Did you intend anti or non Mason?
Originally posted by an3rkist
I tried to explain it as best I could. I guess I could've worded it this way: "If you were in the Army, and you were coming up for promotion and more than ninety percent of your leaders were in a group where they favored they're fellow group members, and you were NOT part of that group, would you not feel the same way I do?"
Originally posted by df1
Originally posted by an3rkist
I tried to explain it as best I could. I guess I could've worded it this way: "If you were in the Army, and you were coming up for promotion and more than ninety percent of your leaders were in a group where they favored they're fellow group members, and you were NOT part of that group, would you not feel the same way I do?"
Maybe your feelings of isolation have nothing to do with being surround by Masons. It seems that being an anarchist would naturally create a state of isolation for the anarchist due his preference of chaos over order. I was always under the impression that most anarchist types were real tough, independent, lone wolf kind of guys and that they liked it that way, but you appear concerned that the forces of order (Masons) are getting over on you. This strikes me as an unusual concern, coming from an anarchist.
Have you ever considered rethinking your support of anarchy to resolve your dilemma?
As Einstein said, "God does not play dice with the universe". Old Albert makes a pretty good case favoring order over chaos.
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