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reply to post by zardust
you are quite an interesting character here, zardust. On the surface, what you write seems to have a naivete to it. Like a child seeking the greater truth, but still on the side of not understanding that greater truth. On the other side, you show such a deep, deep understanding of The Mysteries....these two facets seem to be juxtaposed here a bit. Not that I am calling anything about you into question...just noting how interesting that is.
I am quite interested in where you are going with this. I read this thread when it was originally posted, and have just kind of sat on a response until now. Not sure why I chose to add my comments in now.
The phoenix avatar...interesting choice. The ashes beneath it....what are they?
[Mat 11:25 KJV] 25 At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes.
[Mat 13:11, 24 KJV] 11 He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given. ... 24 Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field:
Rho in Chi-Rho is HEAD!!!!! www.ancient-hebrew.org.... Rosh means head, first, crown, first fruits. The first of the seed. Constantine was right to use the symbol but used it for detestable purposes, to make war.
nothing is good or evil only thinking makes it so.
one must keep an open mind and be like water
and sometimes gnosis is on a need to know basis.
is it to early on sunday for a beer?
Subsequently, when Egypt conquered Kush, they identified the chief deity of the Ku#es as Amun. This Kush deity was depicted as ram-headed, more specifically a woolly ram with curved horns. Amun thus became associated with the ram arising from the aged appearance of the Kush ram deity. A solar deity in the form of a ram can be traced to the pre-literate Kerma culture in Nubia, contemporary to the Old Kingdom of Egypt. The later (Meroitic period) name of Nubian Amun was Amani, attested in numerous personal names such as Tanwetamani, Arkamani, Amanitore, Amanishakheto, Natakamani. Since rams were considered a symbol of virility, Amun also became thought of as a fertility deity, and so started to absorb the identity of Min, becoming Amun-Min. This association with virility led to Amun-Min gaining the epithet Kamutef, meaning Bull of his mother, in which form he was found depicted on the walls of Karnak, ithyphallic, and with a scourge, as Min was.
It has been proven, after much historical dispute, that rock carvings and the horns of ibex were once used as a charm to encourage childbearing or to give thanks for a child by those who were involved in the Buddhist religion around the periods of 1000 BC to 300 AD. As commented on by historian and archaeologist, A. H. Francke:
Our Christian evangelist at Khalatse had become a father a few weeks before, and the people of the village had made presents of "flour-ibex" to him and his wife. He gave me one of those figures, which are made of flour and butter, and told me that it was a custom in Tibet and Ladakh, to make presents of "flour-ibex" on the occasion of the birth of a child. This is quite interesting information. I had often wondered why there were so many rock carvings of ibex at places connected with the pre-Buddhist religion of Ladakh. Now it appears probable that they are thank offerings after the birth of children. As I have tried to show in my previous article, people used to go to the pre-Buddhist places of worship, in particular, to pray to be blessed with children.
Of all the bestiary that adorn the objets d’art of the ancient Near East, none has had so long, nor so eventful, a life as the ibex. First appearing on Samarran ware about 5500 BC, the ibex was among the earliest of the animal images to be seen on Near Eastern pottery.
Samarran ware consistently shows this caprid with long, branch-like antlers (1).3 That these antlers represent the so-called Tree of Life or Sacred Tree is shown by a further example, this time from the Iranian Plateau, c4500 BC, in which the antler-trees dominate the entiremotif (2). In other words, the ibex—in both the North Mesopotamian and the Iranian plateaux—arrives full-blown onto the stage carrying an already well-developed symbol of fertility.
reply to post by zardust
I wish to speak to you as a friend. You can take it or leave it, as you will.
I practiced gnosticism in my own religion, and was very deep into it. Gnosis means knowledge, and religious gnosticism is the seeking of God through the hidden knowledge... that knowledge that is just under the surface.
If you are not seeking knowledge of God, then you are not practicing religious gnosticism, but something else.
Well, when you are as deep into gnosticism as I was, there are very few you could speak with concerning your experiences... no one but someone who has been there can even begin to understand. As the veils lift and you see the Face of God, you want to cry, you want to jump for joy, you want to scream it from the rooftops - yet, there is no one you can speak to.
I had a friend who was in the same place as I was spiritually and we could talk about everything together... and we did. At one point though this question was put to me:
"How do we know if what we are worshiping is God or if we have gone to far and began to worship something very evil indeed?"
He was very right, how do we know when we have crossed the line from the things of God... to the things of something else entirely. That is the point where I backed up quite a bit to analyze everything, myself included.
This is when I realized through much reflection and prayer, the truth of the teachings that say the middle path is the right path. You cannot have the disease of literalism, but neither can you have the disease of going too far into the hidden. Both of those extremes are where that something other is. The middle path IS where you find God.
Veils weren't meant to be removed wholly in this life, religion is about a path that takes you to an understanding of God within the limits of our own humanity. Religion is about knowing God, and that knowing leading you to be a better person... and by this I mean how you interact with everyone else around you. Being honest and upright, kind and considerate, etc. This is what religion is about: Knowing God within the limits of self, and the betterment of self.
When you try to lift every single veil between you and God, it is not God you will find. Those veils are there for a reason, be happy for them and know that someday you will know as you are known... it just is not meant for this world. For a reason.
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Col 1:19 For it was the Father’s good pleasure for all the fullness to dwell in Him, 20and through Him to reconcile all things to Himself, having made peace through the blood of His cross; through Him, I say, whether things on earth or things in heaven.
21And although you were formerly alienated and hostile in mind, engaged in evil deeds, 22yet He has now reconciled you in His fleshly body through death, in order to present you before Him holy and blameless and beyond reproach
25Of this church I was made a minister according to the stewardship from God bestowed on me for your benefit, so that I might fully carry out the preaching of the word of God, 26that is, the mystery which has been hidden from the past ages and generations, but has now been manifested to His saints, 27to whom God willed to make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles, which is Christ in you, the hope of glory.
Shed, the Saviour or the Enchanter, whose epithets were "Great God, Lord of Heaven", and "Lord of Deserts", was a child god who is documented first at Amarna  and became popular during the later New Kingdom being often represented on apotropaic stelae, so-called cippi. He belonged to a group of apoptropaic deities whose powers were very specific: He was invoked as protector against snake bites and scorpion stings. As a desert god Shed is related to Horus, Lord of the Desert.
Shed was usually depicted frontally as a child or a youth wearing a sidelock, fighting against dangerous animals, trampling on crocodiles and strangling snakes–similar to Horus the Child, with whom he was at times identified  and merged into Hor-Shed since the 26th dynasty. In a depiction Hor-Shed is represented in profile, holding an oryx and two snakes in one hand and a lion and a scorpion in the other, while the face of Bes is carved above him. He is also shown on a chariot, drawn by crocodiles and griffins which are described as catchers of serpents. From the Coptic period there exists an amulet showing Christ and New Testamental scenes on the one side, and a winged Horus-Shed fighting scorpions and crocodiles on the other.
In the Septuagint and other early translations Shaddai was translated with words meaning "Almighty". The root word "shadad" (שדד) means "to overpower" or "to destroy". This would give Shaddai the meaning of "destroyer" as one of the aspects of God. Thus it is essentially an epithet. Harriet Lutzky has presented evidence that Shaddai was an attribute of a Semitic goddess, linking the epithet with Hebrew šad "breast" as "the one of the Breast", as Asherah at Ugarit is "the one of the Womb".
Another theory is that Shaddai is a derivation of a Semitic stem that appears in the Akkadian shadû ("mountain") and shaddā`û or shaddû`a ("mountain-dweller"), one of the names of Amurru. This theory was popularized by W. F. Albright but was somewhat weakened when it was noticed that the doubling of the medial d is first documented only in the Neo-Assyrian period. However, the doubling in Hebrew might possibly be secondary. In this theory God is seen as inhabiting a mythical holy mountain, a concept not unknown in ancient West Asian mythology (see El), and also evident in the Syriac Christian writings of Ephrem the Syrian, who places Eden on an inaccessible mountaintop.
Therefore if Nature has planned the human body so that the members correspond in their proportions to its complete configuration, the ancients seem to have had reason in determining that in the execution of their works they should observe an exact adjustment of the several members to the general pattern of the plan. Therefore, since in all their works they handed down orders, they did so especially in building temples, the excellences and the faults of which usually endure for ages.
The 4 cardinal points are given
Reuben the Man--Aquarius the first born--South
Judah the Lion-Leo--East
Dan the Serpent/Eagle--Scorpio--North
Joseph(Ephraim) the Bull-- Taurus--West