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bubab
How many countries has Iran attacked?
How many countries has Israel attacked?
Fill me in with facts please.
ElohimJD
bubab
How many countries has Iran attacked?
How many countries has Israel attacked?
Fill me in with facts please.
Why do you require past actions to project future actions?
There was a time on Earth when the USA had not yet attacked anyone, then one day that changed. Why do you personally require past tendencies to accept potential future actions?
God Bless,
ElohimJD
bubab
How many countries has Iran attacked?
How many countries has Israel attacked?
Fill me in with facts please.
Why do you require past actions to project future actions?
There was a time on Earth when the USA had not yet attacked anyone, then one day that changed. Why do you personally require past tendencies to accept potential future actions?
God Bless,
bubab
Let's look at this with open eyes... and more importantly.. FACTS..
Which country on Earth HAS used nukes in anger... America
Which country on Earth HAS used nukes more than once in anger... America
How many nukes has Russia, Iran or North Korea used in anger? ... None.
Which country has nukes but claims to not have them and threatens global armageddon via a Samson option... Israel
ElohimJD
bubab
Let's look at this with open eyes... and more importantly.. FACTS..
Which country on Earth HAS used nukes in anger... America
Which country on Earth HAS used nukes more than once in anger... America
How many nukes has Russia, Iran or North Korea used in anger? ... None.
Which country has nukes but claims to not have them and threatens global armageddon via a Samson option... Israel
Only one country has used nukes (2) against the civilian population of another country (USA against Japan).
It is up to the individual to determine if those were used in "anger" or in "defense"; as both "reasoning's" can be applied to that single action based on perception and perspective, and all are entitled to their opinions.
Keep in mind Russia has there "dead hand" and "Czar" and "Satan" options which also threaten global Armageddon, in the same manner as Israel's "Sampson" option.
Years from now, when we look back at how this got so out of control so quickly; and the dust begins to settle over the bodies of the dead, mankind will understand; until then our "opinions" will be FACTS to each of us, until it is too late matter.
God Bless,
Yusomad
Not to derail this even more, but since there has been USA, there have been attacks by its forces, that is a historically verifiable fact. Ask the whole of south and central america.
bubab
I am quite sure America didn't use the Nukes as 1) a joke, or, 2) a firework for celebration.
90,000–166,000 killed in Hiroshima
60,000–80,000 killed in Nagasaki
Total: 150,000–246,000+ killed
If that is not anger, what is?
ElohimJD
bubab
I am quite sure America didn't use the Nukes as 1) a joke, or, 2) a firework for celebration.
90,000–166,000 killed in Hiroshima
60,000–80,000 killed in Nagasaki
Total: 150,000–246,000+ killed
If that is not anger, what is?
To many it can be understood as self defense, and not anger.
Killing a murderer before he can kill you is called "self-defense"; not "anger".
The world was at war. Japan attacked the USA first (murderer). It was projected that the USA would have lost over 500,000 people in any type of land invasion of Japan.
If you were the USA which would you choose, these were the two options to end the war in victory for the Allies:
1. Land invasion to end the war = 500,000 dead Americans + 1,000,000 dead Japanese.
2. Nuclear strikes against Japan to end the war = 150,000-250,000 dead Japanese and 0 dead Americans.
I am not saying WW2 was righteous, or pretty, and handled perfectly. But it was handled logically, and the side that was attacked, eliminated the threat from their attacker in some people's opinion of "defense".
bubab
"Killing a murderer before he can kill you is called "self-defense"; not "anger". "
huh what?
You have been brainwashed by the Bush doctorine of pre-emptive killing.
Fracking loonatick.
ElohimJD
bubab
"Killing a murderer before he can kill you is called "self-defense"; not "anger". "
huh what?
You have been brainwashed by the Bush doctorine of pre-emptive killing.
Fracking loonatick.
lol
Use logic, not emotions.
I have never hit any man in my life, never even been in a fist fight; and certainly never a "preemptive killing".
Japan already killed American's before we even fired a shot in WW2.
If a murderer breaks into your home and kills a member of your family (pearl harbor), and has a gun to your head (WW2); and you kill him before he can accomplish him will to kill you.
Is that action done in anger or defense?
bubab
Listen to yourself man, your sick man sick.
Attacking somebody before they attack you is self defence?
Youre twisted.
bubab
ElohimJD
bubab
I am quite sure America didn't use the Nukes as 1) a joke, or, 2) a firework for celebration.
90,000–166,000 killed in Hiroshima
60,000–80,000 killed in Nagasaki
Total: 150,000–246,000+ killed
If that is not anger, what is?
To many it can be understood as self defense, and not anger.
Killing a murderer before he can kill you is called "self-defense"; not "anger".
The world was at war. Japan attacked the USA first (murderer). It was projected that the USA would have lost over 500,000 people in any type of land invasion of Japan.
If you were the USA which would you choose, these were the two options to end the war in victory for the Allies:
1. Land invasion to end the war = 500,000 dead Americans + 1,000,000 dead Japanese.
2. Nuclear strikes against Japan to end the war = 150,000-250,000 dead Japanese and 0 dead Americans.
I am not saying WW2 was righteous, or pretty, and handled perfectly. But it was handled logically, and the side that was attacked, eliminated the threat from their attacker in some people's opinion of "defense".
"Killing a murderer before he can kill you is called "self-defense"; not "anger". "
huh what?
You have been brainwashed by the Bush doctorine of pre-emptive killing.
Fracking loonatick.
ElohimJD
It is obvious you are not able to read effectively what is being presented to you.
bubab
Listen to yourself man, your sick man sick.
Attacking somebody before they attack you is self defence?
Youre twisted.
Japan attacked first in WW2.
USA attacked someone who already attacked them first in self defense.
Stop attacking my character as "twisted" or "sick" or "brainwashed" or "lunatic"and think for your own; think about what is being written and attack that rather then a man who has never attacked any other man physically in his entire life.
God Bless,edit on 19-3-2014 by ElohimJD because: (no reason given)
"Killing a murderer before he can kill you is called "self-defense"; not "anger". "
Boscov
reply to post by whyamIhere
Putin has his eyes on the ball. Economic sanctions will not distract Russia from reabsorbing Crimea and possibly Eastern Ukraine. Obama is not opposing Putin on an ethical basis, rather legal technicalities after the fact, to appear as a condemnation. Crimea was brokered by the Obama Administration in early 2012, prior to Obama's re-election and the easement of Iranian sanctions.
The question yet to be asked and/or answered is, what did or will Obama get in return?
Obama and Putin have a working relationship, do not be fooled by Obama's clicking of his pen, Biden's Eastern Front Tour in Poland, or Putin's antagonist tone and advancement into Pro-Russian regions. Ukraine is not EU or NATO, therefore it is free game.
The worst move on the board would be for Putin to snatch up Estonia, but maybe that is being negotiated or already has been as well.
Obama prefers two in the bush over one in the hand, and his foreign policy reflects that. Everything will pay off later, yada yada yada. We shall see.
andr3w68
reply to post by bubab
I would really like to not have to call you out on this one, but if you would simply read his posts in their entirety before throwing accusations around that he is sick, I would not have too.
The facts are that japan attacked first in ww2. The US struck back with a means that kept Americans safe.
This is what he is trying to say.
What he is NOT trying to say is:
- Its OK to use nukes.
- Killing people is OK.
- America is perfect.
Please use logic before going on tangents and accusing people of things.edit on 19-3-2014 by andr3w68 because: (no reason given)
"Killing a murderer before he can kill you is called "self-defense"; not "anger"."
huh what?
You have been brainwashed by the Bush doctorine of pre-emptive killing.
whyamIhere
reply to post by TritonTaranis
A few have no interest in the topic....Ukraine
They want to bash America while Russia invades it's neighbor.
Who exactly is the aggressor now?