ok- how can a person not believe in God?

we came from earth, earth from solar sytem, sytem from galaxy, galaxy from universe, universe from ?, big bang from ?, matter from ?, space from ?

everything has an origen- and god is the begging and end, a phenomenon not a superior being.
we are here by chance and have a purpose. Not even the highest angels know the true works of god.

athiests say "there is no proof" but i say "prove there is not".

Yes the world is a terrible place, but saying there is no god "no hope" is ignorant.

Why does everyone have to believe in God?
I don't. I believe in myself.
My mistakes are mine, my luck is, just that, luck.
My knowledge is my own findings, very often made by others for me to read.
I appreciate science, facts.
I accept other people. I don't use religion to supress others.
I don't produce fear of what we don't know.

Heaven or hell is wahtever You choose to make out of your living.
If my relatives suddenly dies, my life is hell, at the moment.
If I get a masterdegree in physics, im in heaven (since getting it is not likely for me )

The only angels youll ever find out there, is the kind people you meet along the way. The demons are those of heartbreak, being dumped, stepped on. Anger and other feelings.

God is you, yourself. You choose your life.
Satan is also part of you. You have to find the balance between being good, and not letting bad emotions rule your world. (ref: YingYang-stuff and Chi-stuff)

I want to know, not believe.

Religion is made for control the weak minded masses. There is no point of arguing whetever there is or isnīt a god. But if you travel outside the usa you will find out that people are lot more openminded avout religious issues outside usa. Thatīs why bush got elected ..because all the religious woowoos decided to vote for him and his crusades.
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thats the gift of life.

we choose-----but where did we all originate from? stardust right? stardust from where?

where is the beggining? and what made that?

This ia an intresting thread.

Indeed nothing can come to be from nothing, so as it was before it is today?

As a blank piece of paper it can become art if an artist choose to draws on it and makes it exist.

His/Her vision: Was creation.
Who? : Gee can anyone guess, any suggestions?

The question should also be: From where has what is and what was and shall be come from?

For why must we belive there wasn't anything at all, I can't accept that the whole universe as Infinity space be nothing and then a big bang happend!!!!

(Wouldn't it take several objects to collide to created a bang?)

Same theory goes in man, how did man come to exist?
(From an ape? That's foolish, who in thier right mind would belive that)

Why must an ape and all animals occur before man?

It wouldn't support the Universal Language and it's purpose!!!!!!



Neatless to say accepting that anything is possible and only through searching for knowledge and understanding it's meanings thus you'll find the answer.



[edit on 25-11-2004 by 2ndSEED]

religion now becomes a institution to help form a sense of "community" in our social world---not help us organize our lives like in the middle ages.
for me, religion by the books is bull for now...."it keeps a closed mind"

you dont have to believe anything in the book to go to church.

[edit on 25-11-2004 by windexspray]

Originally posted by windexspray
thats the gift of life.

we choose-----but where did we all originate from? stardust right? stardust from where?

where is the beggining? and what made that?

We don't know yet!!

ulvetann, of course we dont know.

because we might never....

Isnīt evolution theory prove right many times? That man has evolved from ape like every other creature has evolved from some fish/bird from stoneage?

evolution is true despite the huge leap in cranial capacity from hominids to humans.

but the fact remains in evolution, one existance came from another.

Why must an ape and all animals occur before man?

It wouldn't support the Universal Language and it's purpose!!!!!!

-Like, what do you mean supporting the Universal Language? -and it's purpose. What purpose do you refer to? Esperanto?

-And don't come up with that usual line that goes like "The universal language is not spoken for it's acts on it's words and it's purpose is to exist so it shall forever remain infinte"...


[edit on 25-11-2004 by Ulvetann]

Originally posted by windexspray
religion now becomes a institution to help form a sense of "community" in our social world---not help us organize our lives like in the middle ages.
for me, religion by the books is bull for now...."it keeps a closed mind"

you dont have to believe anything in the book to go to church.

[edit on 25-11-2004 by windexspray]

This is true religion is a way to manifest power over all that are mislead.
Knowledge is power and as it( Bible ) was created by the approval of Authorities which had power, it would only be foolish to completly share the knowledge of the King himself...

(Making anyone as wise as the King)

The truth is as the words of the Bible state do not idolize anything and the book is one example.

Seek for the truth thy self and praise in no name of religion, for understand why you seem to know all but need others to remind you of what you know? (School, Books ant etc..)

Observe nature and accept your instincts the truth is within you and anything man made is man made for there is no truth in man himself.

Originally posted by Ulvetann

Why must an ape and all animals occur before man?

It wouldn't support the Universal Language and it's purpose!!!!!!

-Like, what do you mean supporting the Universal Language? -and it's purpose. What purpose do you refer to? Esperanto?

The universal language is not spoken for it's acts on it's words
(meaning for why must it be said when it could be done)

and it's purpose is to exist so it shall forever remain infinte...

[edit on 25-11-2004 by 2ndSEED]

2nd seed that is pretty much my ideology!

thank god for the internet, so that people from all perspectives can chat inteligently.

I am a athiests heres my 10 cents.
Its quite simple there is no such thing as god. Religion is just away of brainwashing the population. You want proof god dosnt exist? think of it this way 400 years ago people were executed by the church for saying that the earth orbited the sun.
God is used as an explanation for stuff the scientific community cant explain yet.
Sometimes I think the church cant see the forest for trees !
The "church" is against gay marriage yet they seem to ignore the high divorce rates in the USA and other places. Shouldnt more effort be put into saving marriages instead of worry about two people of the same sex getting married.

I understand Windex and 2ndseed might be religiousminded persons.
-Why can't you agree, that God might just be a bad word for energy?
A word used to many times in wrong occations, miscrediting the issue of what "God" is? -perhaps energy. Afterall, what is energy?

Originally posted by windexspray
2nd seed that is pretty much my ideology!

thank god for the internet, so that people from all perspectives can chat inteligently.

Sociopolitical.....?

But I need to say that I'm intending any wrong in speaking what been,
for that I know was given and beliving in a GOD or not is the purpose of this thread, no?

For what is around you within you and in the heavens?
For what is in the sun the planets and the universe the galaxy's?
For what is in time ?

Thus has time itself stop and that that pass have will to come?

Speak of what contructed this and the words of creation!!!!!!!

I'm not intending to make one belive GOD, where did I say that?

I've said to search the truth thats within you and all you see will be understood.

copying and pasteing the words in contradiction is solely an addiction to mockery...

As one crawls one learns to walk and as one babbles it learns to talk,
as one lays in death the words still remain but there not spoken for they shall be....

THINK, thats all I'm saying....Knowledge,wisdom and understanding....
In life we learn to love and hate.
But we seem not to be loyal to that which is infinte which is the purpose..

We are all GOD's...
We can all create art and we can ceate life as reproduce, we can all destroy anything we chose,
we have power but it's knowing what power is in knowlede that religion is based..

I'm speaking of not GOD in what I've said for that is idolizing a being..

What I'm saying is beyound simplicity....


It's the word.

Everthing thats not read right and understood could haunt you, control you.

All is infinte as light and energy, dont the stars provr this for if a star died a billion years dont we still see it's light?



[edit on 25-11-2004 by 2ndSEED]

THINK, thats all I'm saying....Knowledge,wisdom and understanding....
In life we learn to love and hate.
But we seem not to be loyal to that which is infinte which is the purpose..

Correct I do so, without referring to any Good Book.
The Good Books of any religions is as far as I am concerned meant to be a guideline. Believing it contains the Wisdom of all that you need to know, is a mockery of reality, evolution, both sosciological and technological! Escpecially technological evolution. We just don't know yet what is infinite, or if there even is a purpose of any infinity.
Why should a book tell me to resign in my search of more knowledge and inexpanding my boundries?

Originally posted by 2ndSEED
We are all GOD's...
We can all create art and we can ceate life as reproduce, we can all destroy anything we chose,
we have power but it's knowing what power is in knowlede that religion is based..

I'm speaking of not GOD in what I've said for that is idolizing a being..

What I'm saying is beyound simplicity....


It's the word.

Everthing thats not read right and understood could haunt you, control you.

All is infinte as light and energy, dont the stars provr this for if a star died a billion years dont we still see it's light?


[edit on 25-11-2004 by 2ndSEED]

I agree. This is what I tried to say in the 2. post in this thread.
-But my name is not God, neither is yours. Neither is that man down in the street. -I like to meet realists!