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posted on Mar, 19 2014 @ 03:37 PM
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Are these the dudes that invented tartar sauce? Why don't they just move to the coast of Maine and hook up with the fried clam dudes? Ka Ching!




posted on Mar, 19 2014 @ 03:42 PM
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HUMBLEONE
Are these the dudes that invented tartar sauce? Why don't they just move to the coast of Maine and hook up with the fried clam dudes? Ka Ching!


Ironic you made that comment -

Tartar Sauce

The sauce has been found in cookbooks since the 19th century. The name derives from the French sauce tartare, named after the Tatars from the Eurasian Steppe, who once occupied Ukraine and parts of Russia. Beyond this, the etymology is unclear.[3] In Europe, the sauce was used as condiment to steak tartare.[4]


Who would have thought a smartass comment on Tartar sauce could actually support Ukraine's / Tartars position.
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posted on Mar, 19 2014 @ 03:45 PM
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conquest is conquest whether by violent or non-violent means and whats wrong with the nazi comparison if the actions by russia are similar to german actions prior to ww2?

What about the US comparison? Our conquest list of countries butchered is a lot longer.

And yes got ahead and compare Russians to Nazis. Who else is stupid enough to forget Hitler tried invading Russia, too?

Who was the only country keeping us from world conquest before the Soviet breakup?

We are playing Russian Roulette with an automatic pistol. Someone wake me…



posted on Mar, 19 2014 @ 03:49 PM
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intrptr
What about the US comparison? Our conquest list of countries butchered is a lot longer.

Feel free to list them on both sides for comparison please, or link to the source where your info came from.



intrptr
And yes got ahead and compare Russians to Nazis. Who else is stupid enough to forget Hitler tried invading Russia, too?
Sure, but it was General winter that stopped the Nazi's.



intrptr
Who was the only country keeping us from world conquest before the Soviet breakup?

Many nations.



intrptr
We are playing Russian Roulette with an automatic pistol. Someone wake me…

Russia is the one who put the gun on the table. Since they started the game, maybe they should go first in the Russian Roulette scenario you just gave.



posted on Mar, 19 2014 @ 03:51 PM
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A scapegoat that dictators / anti west nations like to use when they cant control their own people. When in doubt, invoke the US and imply they are to blame for the worlds maladies.


"The US-- a "scapegoat"…

There is no doubt who is to blame for the worlds BIG maladies these days.



posted on Mar, 19 2014 @ 03:56 PM
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intrptr
There is no doubt who is to blame for the worlds BIG maladies these days.


Well lets see -
Crimea - Russia
Syria - Russia
Iran - Russia
The restoration of the boundaries of the former Soviet Union - Russia.
The push to start WWIII - Russia
Sudan - China
Stand off in the South China Sea - China
North Korea - Russia / China


Unlike Crimea, we have not annexed anyone. Russia on the other hand....
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posted on Mar, 19 2014 @ 03:59 PM
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Xcathdra

intrptr
There is no doubt who is to blame for the worlds BIG maladies these days.


Well lets see -
Crimea - Russia
Syria - Russia
Iran - Russia
The restoration of the boundaries of the former Soviet Union - Russia.
The push to start WWIII - Russia

Unlike Crimea, we have not annexed anyone. Russia on the other hand....


Afther that one, we can all agree to call you out on the daftest statement of the year.
Syria a russian issue? I guess if you ignore the evidence against the western powers...
Iran? How about israel?
The restoration of the former USSR is something that wont happen, no matter how much you repeat it.
And, the push to start WW3 has been headed by the US and israel the whole century, if not a decade more so, what are you on about?



posted on Mar, 19 2014 @ 04:04 PM
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Feel free to list them on both sides for comparison please, or link to the source where your info came from.

You mean all the way back to the beginning?

Sheez… how about just after WWII…

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You can't rightly say we won any of these conflicts as empires don't actually win their conquests over so to speak. Thats not the intent anyway. World conquest is about destabilizing a region (or the whole world for that matter) so as to make it impossible or nearly impossible for enemies to fight BACK.

We are good at it. Sir George said it better than me. You can see my other post this thread…

The thing about war is to wage it in the name of defense or "Humanitarian" grounds all the while full knowing what is really going on is whole sale murder and exploitation of peoples and their countries resources. Its a "pretend we are the good guys game" and denying there is any wrong doing.

Kind of like your posts…



posted on Mar, 19 2014 @ 04:05 PM
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Yusomad
Afther that one, we can all agree to call you out on the daftest statement of the year.

not really no. I pointed out the flaw in his statement.


Yusomad
Syria a russian issue? I guess if you ignore the evidence against the western powers...

Absolutely it is. have you not been keeping up? They have a supply base in Syria for their navy. Russia is shipping Syria weapons and is not holding up their end of the bargain when it came to Russia removing Syrias wmd stockpiles.


Yusomad
Iran? How about israel?

Russia was the one who was supplying Iran with their nuclear blueprints. Russia failed to act when the riots broke out during Ahmadinejad administration.

What about Israel?



Yusomad
The restoration of the former USSR is something that wont happen, no matter how much you repeat it.

and if you kept up on the latest information you would know Putin just gave a speech talking about how the collapse of the Soviet Union was illegal and how he wants to restore land he "considers Russian". So in this case, the info is from the horses mouth. If you have an issue with the claim, take it up with Putin.




Yusomad
And, the push to start WW3 has been headed by the US and israel the whole century, if not a decade more so, what are you on about?

Source to support your claim please.



posted on Mar, 19 2014 @ 04:09 PM
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The restoration of the former USSR is something that wont happen, no matter how much you repeat it.


How can you say it won't happen, after the Russian Federation annexed Crimea? What about Georgia? Ethnic speeches about Estonia? It's already happening...
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posted on Mar, 19 2014 @ 04:27 PM
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Nolimits
Don't see why Americans feel the need to comment on this topic, your country is made entirely of land confiscated from Native peoples.


Take the same current story with the same current conclusions, and have the OP from Belgium (or any other place besides US/Canada) and it is still as valid and as legit a topic of discussion right now on ATS.

Why should the nationality of a poster invalidate their contributions to the topic?

Why should the actions of men long dead in centuries past prejudice your acceptance of their descendants opinions?

FACT
Right now there are direct parallels between current events in Ukraine and historical events in Nazi Germany, you could also say there are parallels between current events in Ukraine and historical events in the USA (regarding Native tribal relocation), or historical events in Russia (Soviet revolution, extermination of Cassians; Tartars etc.).

All people should be allowed to voice their opinions on these current events and their historical comparisons, without discrimination from others based on the actions of their ancestors.

No American alive today was responsible for the "trail of tears" or the relocation of Native Americans in the 1800's.

There are however Russians alive today (Putin) who are responsible for like minded actions of direct historical comparison; regarding relocating Native peoples in a sovereign nation.

God Bless,



posted on Mar, 19 2014 @ 04:27 PM
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ElohimJD

Nolimits
Don't see why Americans feel the need to comment on this topic, your country is made entirely of land confiscated from Native peoples.


Take the same current story with the same current conclusions, and have the OP from Belgium (or any other place besides US/Canada) and it is still as valid and as legit a topic of discussion right now on ATS.

Why should the nationality of a poster invalidate their contributions to the topic?

Why should the actions of men long dead in centuries past prejudice your acceptance of their descendants opinions?

FACT
Right now there are direct parallels between current events in Ukraine and historical events in Nazi Germany, you could also say there are parallels between current events in Ukraine and historical events in the USA (regarding Native tribal relocation), or historical events in Russia (Soviet revolution, extermination of Cassians; Tartars etc.).

All people should be allowed to voice their opinions on these current events and their historical comparisons, without discrimination from others based on the actions of their ancestors.

No American alive today was responsible for the "trail of tears" or the relocation of Native Americans in the 1800's.

There are however Russians alive today (Putin) who are responsible for like minded actions of direct historical comparison; regarding relocating Native peoples in a sovereign nation.

God Bless,


You can have your Hitler parallel if we can have our Kosov parallel


Fair trade?



posted on Mar, 19 2014 @ 04:32 PM
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intrptr
That comment reflects how history continues to sweep atrocities under the rug.


History is documented. The atrocities are there for all to see.

That comment was reflecting the idea that one shouldn't dwell on historical events that occurred hundreds of years before your time, in which you can do nothing about and did not participate in executing.

Surely you are not advocating that the present generation has to "make right" the atrocities of their historical ancestors are you?

Why should a new born baby be punished for atrocious actions committed by men long dead, in an age long gone.

God Bless,



posted on Mar, 19 2014 @ 04:34 PM
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What did I say the other day in your other thread?

This kind of negates a lot of the rationale leading up to this farce, eh?

ETA: Sigh....
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posted on Mar, 19 2014 @ 04:35 PM
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intrptr
You mean all the way back to the beginning?

Sheez… how about just after WWII…

Link

The link you gave that shows the list is not from that site. Its from some guy in the forums on Huffington Post social comment section who made the list but did not support the list with any facts. He just made a list of nations that have had military encounters with the US, and even then he failed to explain the context of each..


Anti War Socialist with a taste for freedom

List of countries the USA has bombed since the end of World War II:

China 1945-46
Korea 1950-53
China 1950-53
Guatemala 1954
Indonesia 1958
Cuba 1959-60
Guatemala 1960
Belgian Congo 1964
Guatemala 1964
Dominican Republic 1965-66
Peru 1965
Laos 1964-73
Vietnam 1961-73
Cambodia 1969-70
Guatemala 1967-69
Lebanon 1982-84
Grenada 1983-84
Libya 1986
El Salvador 1981-92
Nicaragua 1981-90
Libya 1986
Iran 1987-88
Libya 1989
Panama 1989-90
Iraq 1991-
Kuwait 1991
Somalia 1992-94
Croatia 1994 (only Serbian areas of Croatia)
Bosnia 1995 (only Serbian areas of Bosnia)
Iran 1998 (airliner)
Sudan 1998
Afghanistan 1998
Yugoslavia 1999
Afghanista­n 2001-
Pakistan 2003-
Libya 2011-

30 Mar 2011 8:58 PM


Huffington Post

The list does not support your position - respectfully.



intrptr
You can't rightly say we won any of these conflicts as empires don't actually win their conquests over so to speak. That's not the intent anyway.

The US is not enacting the Charlemagne doctrine. Some of the countries in the list have been to war with the US (WWII). They were occupied by US forces until governments could get back up and running, at which point we left. What does it say about a country that helps rebuild a nation they just won a war against? What does it say that they are some of our closest allies, even today?



For argument sake assume the list is accurate - How many of those countries ceased to exist and have been annexed into the US?
What were the circumstances for the action the US took with regards to the list?
How many on that list have received assistance / aid / military from the US?
how many on the list foes the US not have diplomatic relations with?

Syria lobbed some artillery shells into Turkey, injuring / killing some people. Turkey responded - Does that make Turkey's actions comparable to the list for the US above?

Russia invaded Chechnya - twice. Does that make Russia's actions comparable to the list for the US above?




intrptr
World conquest is about destabilizing a region (or the whole world for that matter) so as to make it impossible or nearly impossible for enemies to fight BACK
.
Like Russia is doing in former soviet republics? Ukraine, Moldova etc etc. If we go back to the end of WWII / Cold War the number of countries Russia destabilized is sizable as well.




intrptr
We are good at it. Sir George said it better than me. You can see my other post this thread…

The thing about war is to wage it in the name of defense or "Humanitarian" grounds all the while full knowing what is really going on is whole sale murder and exploitation of peoples and their countries resources. Its a "pretend we are the good guys game" and denying there is any wrong doing.

Kind of like your posts…


I get what you are saying however I reject the notion that all of the blame lies at the doorstep of the US. The US is no angel and we all know that. For me, the bulk comes down to what was the purpose of taking actions and are those justifications valid?

Its one thing to hate the US for whatever reason. Its something else entirely when that hate / dislike of the US causes a person to reject facts out of hand for the sole purpose of wanting to see the US taken to task, even if those facts support US actions.

As for your last comment I am not sure how to take that. Was that an insult or?
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posted on Mar, 19 2014 @ 04:37 PM
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bubab

You can have your Hitler parallel if we can have our Kosov parallel


Fair trade?



Of course!

That is directly applicable, though I see it as less directly applicable than the current actions of Russia; which would be a great topic of discussion.

Same generation, similar parallel.

My reply was to those saying the USA cannot comment on Russian/Nazi parallel due to the actions of men in the 1800s, regarding the Native populations of the USA. The pro-Russian posters have every right to bring up Kosovo as a parallel to the actions of Russia in Ukraine, my brother was in Kosovo and fought for it's freedom.

God Bless,



posted on Mar, 19 2014 @ 04:40 PM
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bubab
You can have your Hitler parallel if we can have our Kosov parallel


Fair trade?


You may want to rethink that position since Russia was involved in all of that mess. They were even a part of KFOR, along with EU / NATO countries.

Secondly comparing the 2 is like comparing oranges to the ruble - its not comparable because they are 2 completely different situations (although with the Tartars must move bit Russia's actions are coming closer to what Milosevic was doing).

Third has the US annexed that region?
Has Russia annexed Crimea?
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posted on Mar, 19 2014 @ 04:42 PM
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Xcathdra

bubab
You can have your Hitler parallel if we can have our Kosov parallel


Fair trade?


You may want to rethink that position since Russia was involved in all of that mess. They were even a part of KFOR, along with EU / NATO countries.

Secondly comparing the 2 is like comparing oranges to the ruble - its not comparable because they are 2 completely different situations.

Third has the US annexed that region?
Has Russia annexed Crimea?


The people of Kosov obviously chose to be independent, the people of Crimea obviously chose to join russia.

There is no international law forbidding people from determining their own destiny. If there is, can you link me to the International Law number and specific section?



posted on Mar, 19 2014 @ 05:06 PM
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Nolimits
Don't see why Americans feel the need to comment on this topic, your country is made entirely of land confiscated from Native peoples.


iirc, Manhattan was sold for some beads and pelts.



posted on Mar, 19 2014 @ 05:13 PM
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intrptr
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conquest is conquest whether by violent or non-violent means and whats wrong with the nazi comparison if the actions by russia are similar to german actions prior to ww2?

What about the US comparison? Our conquest list of countries butchered is a lot longer.

And yes got ahead and compare Russians to Nazis. Who else is stupid enough to forget Hitler tried invading Russia, too?

Who was the only country keeping us from world conquest before the Soviet breakup?

We are playing Russian Roulette with an automatic pistol. Someone wake me… [/quote. " Russian roulette with an automatic pistol", that was genius!]






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