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stumason
reply to post by bubab
Svoboda are not "in power", they hold 4 Ministry positions out of 20 and I am finding it extremely hard to find any news source, be it Russian, British, French or Tutsi which says that they are outlawing anything to do with Tartars.
Care to furnish us with any links?
As for the OP, Tartars have lived in the are for longer Russians have and were forced off their land and had their population decimated during the Soviet era, so if anyone should be "reclaiming Crimea" it should be them, not the Russians and there is no love lost between the two.
stumason
reply to post by bubab
One crazy arse MP and his buddies does not a regime make.
It is no different to the actions of the Pro-Russian lot forcing Crimean military to leave their bases under threats of violence.
Fact of the matter is, you claimed they were "in power", when they are not. Still no linkies for the Tartar claims as well....
generik
i have to ask why people are so intent on completely ignoring the most important fact in this issue. they are NOT kicking them off something like ancestral land or something like that. they are relocating squatters. this is NORMAL for any country to do. Canada does it, the Philippines does it. any country that has "squatter areas" likely do this. thing is squatters have NO LEGAL CLAIM on the land they inhabit. it is land they are STEALING from someone else. they don't ask permission, they don't rent or buy the land. they just find a place without a building and put up their home. Russia in this instance is doing almost exactly what the Philippines does. they move them out. (and a lot of the time it requires a mini WAR to achieve). yes it sounds cruel, but they are also PROVIDING housing that is LEGAL, and in all honesty SAFER. due to actually being built properly as opposed to thrown together of scrap material they find and steal.
too bad they didn't put in pictures of these squatter areas. i wonder if these Tartar squatter areas are as bad as the ones in the Philippines? that is tiny homes, often times they barely have room for a small bed for the family to share. they are built haphazardly which means that trying to get things like a fire truck in is almost impossible, in fact when a home in a squatter area in the Manila area catches fire there are typically hundreds if not thousands of people suddenly without a home, who have lost everything they own. as the small size, building materials, and the fact they are packed together like sardines, means when one goes up everything surrounding them does as well. homes are built on top of other homes. no building codes are followed at all, they are built out of whatever materials they can get there hands on, metal, wood, old barrels, cheap cement blocks, plastic tarps you name it they use it. if they actually have electricity, it is all "home wired" without pesky, expensive things like circuit breakers (and lots of times it is people stealing power by tapping into existing electrical lines). most cooking is done on small coal burning units, tho if they have electricity hotplates may be used. roofs can be made of tin, plastic tarps, wood, palm fronds, again whatever materials are at hand. they sometimes even have old tires on then to hold down the roof in wind. candles and lanterns as well as open fires may be used for lighting, when there is no electric power.
this is nothing like moving the Indians around in North America at all. they are not being removed from their land, they are being removed from someone else's land. and they are even receiving land for FREE just by moving off land they don't even own. sounds like an awesome deal to me. this is just being used as yet more anti-Russian propaganda to rile people up, and demonize the Russians. when the reality is that this happens all around the world every day.
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stumason
reply to post by bubab
Crazies on both sides, so it is disingenuous for you to try to paint it as such.
Still no links to these stories though...
stumason
reply to post by bubab
You need to rethink what your doing here, merely saying things and hoping no one will call you out on it is not how it's done round here - if you're making a claim, back it up, otherwise why should we pay any attention to what you say?
I have "googled it", I said as much earlier, can't find any stories though.... Even from good old RT..
Nolimits
Don't see why Americans feel the need to comment on this topic, your country is made entirely of land confiscated from Native peoples.
A witness told the BBC that armed men got out of two unmarked vehicles outside Simferopol and stormed the mapping facility, firing automatic weapons. A junior officer manning a tower was killed, along with a Crimean self-defense force member, the Interfax News Agency reported. Another Ukrainian officer was wounded in the neck.
The attackers detained other soldiers, who wore Russian uniforms, the Ukrainian News Agency reported, citing a defense ministry official. A pro-Russian news outlet created by Crimean authorities gave a different account, claiming snipers fired on the base and on self-defense forces checking a report of armed men at the facility. One self-defense brigade members was also killed, a police spokesman told Interfax.
We are finding that the "Native Americans" may have done the same to earlier migration peoples along the eastern seaboard.
And this has zero to do with Crimea BTW
paraphi
No wonder every nation that borders them wants to deal with the EU rather than them!
intrptr
What does that make us?
clay2 baraka
So Crimea (Russian puppet government), is engaged in ETHNIC CLEANSING and members of ATS are rushing to defend him?!
This is sad.
ETHNIC CLEANSING DEFINITION