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Exposing the Russian Orthodox Church

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posted on Mar, 19 2014 @ 03:31 AM
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The U. S. S. R. Those four letters bring back to the minds of many people the Cold War era, and the fight between bitter rivals. The West, championed by the United States and Great Britian, show-boating to the world democracy, and the Soviet Union run by Communists. And not only the U. S. S. R. Rather many countries under its control and allied to it, including China, Vietnam, North Korea, and even Cuba, among others. Yes there were to "kings" as it were vying for power.

In all actuality, this struggle between the kings of the north and south was foretold by the true God Jehovah long ago and recorded in the Bible book of Daniel chapter 11. There we see two kings, the king of the north, and the king of the south, vying for power. They start off in the distant past, but continue to change kings, and even kingdoms and even lead up into our day. It was foretold for the kings of the north and the south in our day that:

(Daniel 11:40, 41) 40 “And in the time of [the] end the king of the south will engage with him in a pushing, and against him the king of the north will storm with chariots and with horsemen and with many ships; and he will certainly enter into the lands and flood over and pass through. 4. . .

The king of the south at this point in time is the Anglo-American dual-world Empire, also foretold in the book of Revelation as as beast with two horns of a lamb. The king of the north, up until recent times has been recognized as the U. S. S. R.

That there is an engaging of a pushing back and forth between these two kings there is no doubt. God foretold it long ago. Indeed if anyone wants to look further into the scrolls of truth about this prophecy it explains the demise of both the king of the north, and a little earlier the king of the south, both by unnatural spirit forces. Not human hands, rather God's kingdom government in Jesus' control that will soon come to crush all the kingdoms of the earth as foretold in the vision in Daniel 2:44.

Nevertheless, since the rise of Communism in the Soviet Union they, as an atheistic nation as fore told in the prophecy, stating that their god would not be the god of their ancestors, but they would elevate and worship the state and its armaments:

(Daniel 11:37-39) . . .And to the God of his fathers he will give no consideration; and to the desire of women and to every other god he will give no consideration, but over everyone he will magnify himself. 38 But to the god of fortresses, in his position he will give glory; and to a god that his fathers did not know he will give glory by means of gold and by means of silver and by means of precious stone and by means of desirable things. 39 And he will act effectively against the most fortified strongholds, along with a foreign god. Whoever has given [him] recognition he will make abound with glory, and he will actually make them rule among many; and [the] ground he will apportion out for a price.


Along with the rise of this king of the north, of infallible Bible prophecy where true worship was suppressed and many many of Jehovah's witnesses were sentenced to exile to Siberia for refusal to worship the Soviet State (as they refused to do in Hitler's Nazi regimen) and many lies spread about God's people there. There was a religion that was allowed to exist. Yes, it was the Russian Orthodox Church.

They got in bed early with the Communists. And the Communists used the Church to instill hatred in their followers of others, especially Jehovah's people, and had them train their followers to look up to the state as their god.

Yes indeed, the Russian Orthodox Church, as a part of Christendom, and the great harlot of Revelation has indeed played the spiritual harlot with the political powers of the world. In fact it is because of her spiritual immoral intercourse with the world's rulers that she is condemned...

(James 4:4) Adulteresses, do YOU not know that the friendship with the world is enmity with God? Whoever, therefore, wants to be a friend of the world is constituting himself an enemy of God.


(Revelation 17:1, 2) . . .And one of the seven angels that had the seven bowls came and spoke with me, saying: “Come, I will show you the judgment upon the great harlot who sits on many waters, 2 with whom the kings of the earth committed fornication, whereas those who inhabit the earth were made drunk with the wine of her fornication.”


(Revelation 17:15-18) . . .And he says to me: “The waters that you saw, where the harlot is sitting, mean peoples and crowds and nations and tongues. 16 And the ten horns that you saw, and the wild beast, these will hate the harlot and will make her devastated and naked, and will eat up her fleshy parts and will completely burn her with fire. 17 For God put [it] into their hearts to carry out his thought, even to carry out [their] one thought by giving their kingdom to the wild beast, until the words of God will have been accomplished. 18 And the woman whom you saw means the great city that has a kingdom over the kings of the earth.”

Even now Putin manipulates the Russian Orthodox Church as a political instrument to mislead and control the masses, but even he will soon find her harlotry tiresome, or at least some one else in power in the future, and will turn upon her.


So what does this have to do with the Orthodox Church that is permitted reign in Russia (and indeed was not suppressed under the atheistic rule of the Soviet Union?) Here are some interesting facts regarding her....

Let the light be exposed to those here who want to know truth, and even to those Russian agents already here....


Firstly, on the origins of the Church:


...the timing of Vladimir’s conversion [this is referring to Vladimir of Kiev reportedly baptized in 988] suggests that he adopted the new religion to serve his political interests, thus beginning a tradition that has run virtually unbroken throughout the history of the Russian Orthodox Church.” The book then adds this sobering thought: “The church has generally been willing to serve the interests of the government, even when the government has infringed upon the interests of the church - Keeping the Faiths—Religion and Ideology in the Soviet Union


Vladimir decreed that his subjects be baptized as Christians; they had no choice in the matter. Once he “adopted Orthodoxy as the state religion,” says Paul Steeves, “he embarked on a program of uprooting the traditional religious practices of indigenous Slavic tribes.” On sites where people had formerly sacrificed to pagan idols, for example, he built churches. Steeves adds: “Remnants of paganism nonetheless survived for several centuries and were finally not so much eliminated as assimilated into Russian religious life.”


On its survival after World War II:


With the war’s end, church leaders fell in with the Cold War demands of Stalin’s foreign policy. - The Soviet Union: The Fifty Years, edited by Harrison Salisbury


Patriarch Alexis I, who had succeeded Sergius as patriarch in 1945...


joined the World Peace Council, the Soviet front organization founded in 1949


He and and Metropolitan Nikolai were

highly valued by the KGB [the Soviet State Security Committee] as agents of influence. - The Sword and the Shield


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posted on Mar, 19 2014 @ 03:31 AM
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Remarkably, in 1955, Patriarch Alexis I declared: “The Russian Orthodox Church supports the totally peaceful foreign policy of our government, not because the Church allegedly lacks freedom, but because Soviet policy is just and corresponds to the Christian ideals which the Church preaches.”

In the January 22, 2000, issue of The Guardian of London, England, dissident Orthodox priest Georgi Edelshtein is quoted as saying


All the bishops were carefully picked so that they would work with the soviet government. All were KGB agents. It is well known that Patriarch Alexy was recruited by the KGB, under the code-name of Drozdov. Today, they are preserving the same politics that they had 20 or 30 years ago


Regarding the relationship between the Orthodox Church and the Soviets, Life magazine of September 14, 1959, observed:


Stalin gave some concessions to religion, and the church treated him like a czar. Orthodoxy’s collaboration is ensured by a special government ministry and the Communists have utilized the church ever since as an arm of the Soviet state


Matthew Spinka, an authority on Russian church affairs, confirmed the existence of a close Church-State relationship in his 1956 book, The Church in Soviet Russia:


The present Patriarch Alexei has deliberately made his Church a tool of the government


In his 1945 book, Russia Is No Riddle, Edmund Stevens wrote:


The Church took great care not to bite the hand that was now feeding it. It fully realized that in return for the favors bestowed the State expected the Church to give its firm support to the system and to operate within certain limits....The tradition of centuries as the official State religion was deeply rooted in the Orthodox Church, and it therefore slipped very naturally into its new role of close collaboration with the Soviet Government.



The Keston Institute thoroughly researched the past collaboration between the Soviets and Alexis II, today’s patriarch of the Russian Orthodox Church. Its report concluded:


Aleksi’s collaboration was nothing exceptional—almost all senior leaders of all officially-recognised religious faiths—including the Catholics, Baptists, Adventists, Muslims and Buddhists—were recruited KGB agents. Indeed, the annual report that describes Aleksi’s recruitment also covers numerous other agents, some of them in the Estonian Lutheran Church



The Russian Orthodox Church has given its blessing to the work done by the men and women responsible for storing and maintaining Russia’s nuclear arsenal. In a message read during a ceremony in Christ the Savior Cathedral, Moscow, and reported by the newspaper Krasnaya Zvezda, the Russian Orthodox patriarch, Alexis II, said:


I offer prayers to God . . . that the nuclear weapons created by you and entrusted to you will always remain in God’s hands and will only be weapons of deterrence and retaliation



Today, wars and reports of wars fill the earth, and so the army of our Fatherland should always be ready to protect its people and all that it holds holy from any claims made by an external enemy.”—PATRIARCH KIRILL, HEAD OF THE RUSSIAN ORTHODOX CHURCH


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posted on Mar, 19 2014 @ 03:39 AM
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Let us turn now our attention to a very very filthy measure the Orthodox Church has gone to, at the behest of its religious leaders, in the governments hands, to lie about a certain small group of Christians in the former Soviet Union. This persecution and outright lies continue under Putin's leadership against the group known as Jehovah's Witnesses.


Komsomolskaya Pravda, a Russian newspaper with a circulation of 1,200,000, noted in its issue of November 21, 1998:


Over a period of only two years, the Russian Orthodox Church has released more than ten books, brochures, and handbooks ‘dedicated’ to the Jehovist community...Likely “it is primarily because just over the last seven years the number of the organization’s members has grown tenfold, and the Russian Orthodox Church, like any hierarchical organization, doesn’t like competitors.


Early in 1999 when the court case against the Witnesses was again reopened, it received worldwide attention. A New York Times headline of February 11 read: “Moscow Court Weighs Jehovah’s Witnesses Ban.” The article noted:


The case now before a Moscow civil court, heard in a small courtroom, is being closely watched by religious and human rights groups as the first significant attempt to use the [Law of Freedom of Conscience and Religious Associations] to restrict worship
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Lyudmila Alekseyeva, president of the International Helsinki Federation, explained why the Witness trial was being closely watched. She said that if those who are trying to suppress Jehovah’s Witnesses “are successful in this case,” then “they will feel free to attack other groups” that are also characterized as nontraditional religions. The trial, however, was suspended yet again on March 12, 1999. But the following month, on April 29, Russia’s Ministry of Justice granted a certification of registration for the “Administrative Center of Jehovah’s Witnesses in Russia.”

Sergey Blagodarov, himself a professed Orthodox, noted in Komsomolskaya Pravda:


Over a period of more than a hundred years, not a single country of the world has been able to prove either criminal acts on the part of the community’s members, or the illegality of its existence.


The Russian Tragedy—The Burden of History:


The Bible has never been a principal part of Russian Orthodoxy....the lack of Bible knowledge of Orthodox believers has led to the fact that many parishioners of Orthodox churches are more susceptible to the influence of superstitions, occultism, and magic than unbelievers.




The famous Russian writer Tolstoy made a similar observation. He wrote:


I convinced myself that the doctrine of the [Russian Orthodox] church was in theory a cunning and harmful deceit, and in practice a collection of the grossest superstitions and sorcery, which completely conceals the whole meaning of the Christian teaching.



from : wol.jw.org...



When the Russian Orthodox Patriarch Tikhon died in 1925, the church was not permitted to elect another patriarch. The attack on religion that followed resulted in most church buildings being either destroyed or converted to secular uses. Priests were condemned to slave-labor camps, where many perished. “Under the rule of Joseph Stalin in the late 1920s and ’30s,” explains the Encyclopædia Britannica, “the church suffered a bloody persecution that claimed thousands of victims. By 1939 only three or four Orthodox bishops and 100 churches could officially function.”
Practically overnight, however, a remarkable change occurred.

In 1939, Nazi Germany, then an ally of the Soviet Union, invaded Poland, thus beginning World War II. Within a year the Soviet Union had absorbed the last 4 of its 15 republics—Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia, and Moldavia. In June 1941, however, Germany launched a massive attack on the Soviet Union, which took Stalin totally by surprise. By the end of the year, German troops had reached the outskirts of Moscow, and the fall of the Soviet Union appeared imminent.
In desperation, Stalin sought to mobilize the nation for what the Russians called the Great Patriotic War. Stalin recognized that he needed to make concessions to the church to win the support of the people for the war effort, since millions of them still remained religious. What was the result of the spectacular reversal of Stalin’s policy toward religion?
With the cooperation of the church, the Russian people were mobilized for the war effort, and by 1945 a dramatic Soviet victory over the Germans was realized. After the Soviet attack on religion was suspended, the number of Orthodox churches increased to 25,000, and the number of priests reached 33,000.

In reality, though, the goal of Soviet leaders to eradicate the concept of God from the minds of their people had not changed. The Encyclopædia Britannica explains: “A new antireligious move was initiated by Prime Minister Nikita Khrushchev in 1959-64, reducing the number of open churches to less than 10,000. Patriarch Pimen was elected in 1971 following Alexis’ death, and, although the church still commanded the loyalty of millions, its future remained uncertain.”

A special focus of attack for the Soviet’s:

DESPITE concessions made to the Russian Orthodox Church in order to win World War II, the Soviet Union maintained a stranglehold on the church’s activities. Therefore, asThe Sword and the Shield, a book written in 1999 about the history of the KGB (the Soviet State Security Committee), observed, “the KGB was far more concerned by the ‘subversive’ activities of those Christians over whom it had no direct control.” Which religious groups were these?
The largest was the Greek Catholic Church of Ukraine, which is now the Ukrainian Catholic Church. It had some 4,000,000 adherents. According to The Sword and the Shield, “all but two of its ten bishops, along with many thousands of priests and believers, died for their faith in the Siberian gulag [work camps].” Other targets of the KGB were the unregistered Protestant churches, which were also outside direct State control. In the late 1950’s, the KGB estimated that these Protestant groups had a combined total of some 100,000 members.
The KGB considered Jehovah’s Witnesses to be a Protestant group, whom they estimated in 1968 to number about 20,000 in the Soviet Union. Up until the beginning of World War II in 1939, the Witnesses had been small in number. Thus, little or no note had been taken of them. But the situation changed dramatically when thousands of Witnesses suddenly appeared in the Soviet Union. How did this occur?


In his book Religion in the Soviet Union, published in 1961, Walter Kolarz noted two factors responsible for this dramatic increase. One, he noted, was that “the territories annexed by the Soviet Union in 1939-40”—Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia, and Moldavia—had within them many “active groups of Jehovah’s Witnesses.” In addition, parts of eastern Poland and Czechoslovakia, which included over a thousand Witnesses, were also annexed by the Soviet Union, becoming part of Ukraine. Thus, all these Witnesses were transplanted overnight, as it were, into the Soviet Union.


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posted on Mar, 19 2014 @ 03:40 AM
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What are you on about? Is this some catholic stuff?



posted on Mar, 19 2014 @ 03:46 AM
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Right....well they possibly have their hand in Russian politics ....

Now what ?

it seems many religions exploit when given the opportunity .

And so does the "WATCH TOWER"
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posted on Mar, 19 2014 @ 03:46 AM
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Further increase, “unbelievable as it may sound,” Kolarz wrote, came from “the German concentration camps.” The Nazis had imprisoned thousands of Witnesses for refusing to support Hitler and his war of aggression. Kolarz explained that Russian prisoners in these camps “had admired the courage and steadfastness of the ‘Witnesses’ and probably for that reason had found their theology attractive.” As a result, many young Russians from these camps returned to the Soviet Union with a newfound faith in Jehovah God and his wonderful purposes for the earth.—Psalm 37:29; Revelation 21:3, 4.
Because of such factors, there quickly came to be thousands of Witnesses in the Soviet Union. By early 1946, there were at least 1,600, and by the end of the decade, well over 8,000. This growth was observed with alarm by the KGB, which, as noted before, was especially concerned about the “activities of those Christians over whom it had no direct control.”
Attacks Are Initiated
Despite the relatively small number of Witnesses in the Soviet Union, their zealouspreaching activity soon came under attack by Soviet authorities. In Estonia the attack began in August 1948 when the five individuals taking the lead in the work were arrested and put in prison. “Soon it was apparent that the KGB wanted to arrest everyone,” noted Estonian Witness Lembit Toom. This was true wherever Witnesses were found in the Soviet Union.
The Soviets depicted Witnesses as the worst of criminals and as a major threat to the atheistic Soviet State. So, everywhere, they were hunted down, arrested, and imprisoned.The Sword and the Shield observed: “The Jehovist obsession of senior KGB officers was, perhaps, the supreme example of their lack of any sense of proportion when dealing with even the most insignificant forms of dissent.”
This obsession was dramatically evidenced by the well planned attack carried out against the Witnesses in April 1951. Just two years ago, in 1999, Professor Sergei Ivanenko, a respected Russian scholar, observed in his book The People Who Are Never Without TheirBibles that in early April 1951, “more than 5,000 families of Jehovah’s Witnesses from the Ukrainian, Byelorussian, Moldavian, and Baltic Soviet republics were sent to ‘a permanent settlement’ in Siberia, the Far East, and Kazakhstan.”
Worthy of Remembrance
Can you imagine the effort involved in that attack—in one day rounding up thousands of families of Witnesses throughout such a large area? Think of coordinating hundreds, if not thousands, of personnel—first of all to identify the Witnesses and then, under cover of darkness, to carry out simultaneous surprise raids on their homes. Following that, there was the work of loading the people into carts, wagons, and other vehicles; taking them to railroad stations; and transferring them to freight cars.
Think, too, of the suffering of the victims. Can you imagine what it was like to be forced to travel thousands of miles—for up to three weeks or more—in overcrowded, unsanitary freight cars that had only a bucket for toilet facilities? And try to imagine being dumped off in the Siberian wilderness, knowing that in order to survive, you would have to eke out an existence in that harsh environment.
This month marks the 50th anniversary of the April 1951 exile of Jehovah’s Witnesses. To tell the story of their faithfulness despite decades of persecution, the experiences of survivors have been videotaped. These reveal that—even as was the case with first-century Christians—attempts to prevent people from worshiping God are ultimately doomed to failure.
What the Exile Accomplished
The Soviets soon learned that stopping the Witnesses from worshiping Jehovah would be much more difficult than they had imagined. Despite the protests of their captors, the Witnesses sang praises to Jehovah while being forced into exile and hung signs on their railway cars that said: “Jehovah’s Witnesses on Board.” One Witness explained: “At the railroad stations along the way, we met other trains carrying those being exiled, and we saw the signs that were hung on the railway cars.” What encouragement this provided!
So rather than being disheartened, those being exiled reflected the spirit of Jesus’ apostles. The Bible says that after these were flogged and ordered to stop preaching, “they continued without letup teaching and declaring the good news about the Christ.” (Acts 5:40-42) Indeed, as Kolarz said about the exile, “this was not the end of the ‘Witnesses’ in Russia, but only the beginning of a new chapter in their proselytising activities. They even tried to propagate their faith when they stopped at stations on their way into exile.”
When the Witnesses arrived at their various destinations and were dropped off, they gained a good reputation for being obedient hard workers. Yet, at the same time, in imitation of Christ’s apostles, they, in effect, told their oppressors: ‘We cannot stop speaking about our God.’ (Acts 4:20) Many listened to what the Witnesses taught and joined them in serving God.
The consequence was just as Kolarz explained: “In deporting them the Soviet Government could have done nothing better for the dissemination of their faith. Out of their village isolation [in the western Soviet republics] the ‘Witnesses’ were brought into a wider world, even if this was only the terrible world of the concentration and slave labour camps.”
Efforts to Cope With Growth
In time, the Soviets tried different methods to stop Jehovah’s Witnesses. Since vicious persecution had failed to produce the desired results, a well planned program of lying propaganda was initiated. Books, films, and radio programs—as well as the infiltration of congregations by trained KGB agents—were all tried.
The widespread misrepresentation caused many people mistakenly to view the Witnesses with fear and distrust, as evidenced by an article in the August 1982 Reader’s Digest,Canadian Edition. It was written by Vladimir Bukovsky, a Russian who was allowed to immigrate to England in 1976. He wrote: “One evening in London, I happened to notice a plaque on a building that read: JEHOVAH’S WITNESSES . . . I couldn’t read any further, I was stupefied, almost to the point of panic.”
Vladimir explained why he was needlessly fearful: “These are the cultists whom the authorities use as boogeymen in our country to scare children . . . In the U.S.S.R., you meet flesh-and-blood ‘Witnesses’ only in prisons and concentration camps. And here I was in front of a building, a plaque. Could anyone actually go in and have a cup of tea with them?” he asked. To emphasize his reason for alarm, Vladimir concluded: “The ‘Witnesses’ are pursued in our country with as much fury as the Mafia in theirs, and the mystery that surrounds them is the same.”
Yet, despite vicious persecution and lying propaganda, the Witnesses persevered and increased in numbers. Such Soviet books as The Truths About Jehovah’s Witnesses, with a printing in Russian in 1978 of 100,000 copies, suggested the need for stepped up anti-Witness propaganda. The author, V. V. Konik, who described how the Witnesses were carrying on their preaching in the face of severe restrictions, advised: “Soviet researchers on religion should learn more effective methods for overcoming the teachings of Jehovah’s witnesse

“The Council of Bishops of the Russian Orthodox Church has given approval for its clerics to run for political office in exceptional circumstances to protect the church from schisms and other direct threats,” reports the news agency RIA Novosti. According to a statement by the bishops, such circumstances arise when there is a need “to confront forces, including schismatic ones and those from other confessions, who seek to use electoral power to fight the Orthodox Church.”



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posted on Mar, 19 2014 @ 03:52 AM
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Yusomad
What are you on about? Is this some catholic stuff?



requote of OP:

"Aleksi’s collaboration was nothing exceptional—almost all senior leaders of all officially-recognised religious faiths—including the Catholics, Baptists, Adventists, Muslims and Buddhists—were recruited KGB agents. Indeed, the annual report that describes Aleksi’s recruitment also covers numerous other agents, some of them in the Estonian Lutheran Church."

Please read OP. It will help answer questions.



posted on Mar, 19 2014 @ 03:57 AM
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The more i read ,the more i Feel like your trying to indoctrinate ATS with Jehovah witness Religious history/struggle /ect ect

While i respect all religions....

Please don't come knock on my door :-P
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posted on Mar, 19 2014 @ 04:07 AM
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LightningStrikesHere
The more i read ,the more i Feel like your trying to indoctrinate ATS with Jehovah witness Religious history/struggle /ect ect

While i respect all religions....

Please don't come knock on my door :-P
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(Matthew 10:14) . . .Wherever anyone does not take YOU in or listen to YOUR words, on going out of that house or that city shake the dust off YOUR feet. . .


If you would pay attention a lot more is going on in the world stage than you are privy to. A history lesson about things you never knew about may do you well. But few really want to know about real history do they?
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posted on Mar, 19 2014 @ 04:09 AM
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iSomeone

Yusomad
What are you on about? Is this some catholic stuff?



requote of OP:

"Aleksi’s collaboration was nothing exceptional—almost all senior leaders of all officially-recognised religious faiths—including the Catholics, Baptists, Adventists, Muslims and Buddhists—were recruited KGB agents. Indeed, the annual report that describes Aleksi’s recruitment also covers numerous other agents, some of them in the Estonian Lutheran Church."

Please read OP. It will help answer questions.


Mmmm, no, no sense can be found around the OP, or the next post. Would you mind pointing us in the right direction?



posted on Mar, 19 2014 @ 04:29 AM
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iSomeone

LightningStrikesHere
The more i read ,the more i Feel like your trying to indoctrinate ATS with Jehovah witness Religious history/struggle /ect ect

While i respect all religions....

Please don't come knock on my door :-P
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(Matthew 10:14) . . .Wherever anyone does not take YOU in or listen to YOUR words, on going out of that house or that city shake the dust off YOUR feet. . .


If you would pay attention a lot more is going on in the world stage than you are privy to. A history lesson about things you never knew about may do you well. But few really want to know about real history do they?
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Please ,i love history , however your thread seems to me to be some sort of Jehovah witness history/indoctrination lesson

Just saying ..

Also can you provide links please for all the copy and pasted sources




posted on Mar, 19 2014 @ 04:36 AM
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Rubbish, I'm right here in Australia.You can't get much further South than that and I'm comming for your Champions , who are North of me.



posted on Mar, 19 2014 @ 04:48 AM
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13th Zodiac
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Rubbish, I'm right here in Australia.You can't get much further South than that and I'm comming for your Champions , who are North of me.




Ah, but unfortunately you confuse Bible prophecy that referred to the king of north and the south in Daniel 11 to Australia. At that time Daniel was referring to Persia (initially), which was north of Jerusalem, and Egypt, which was south of Jerusalem. But seeing that you come from down under, and have little understanding of said prophecy your confusion is understandable. No worries, eh mate?
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posted on Mar, 19 2014 @ 04:49 AM
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All the quotes have the references, please re-read op.

Also, there is a link for you as well, for some of the material. Please re-read the OP.
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posted on Mar, 19 2014 @ 05:50 AM
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Do you count the hours you spend copying this stuff on your report?



posted on Mar, 19 2014 @ 06:16 AM
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Life is lived in cycles so there is always some group againsgt another, by the shape of the earth they will either be above one or below. Its just cycles and the ancient prophets merely were relying on ancient history repeating itself and repeating and repeating.

Anyone reading the Nag Hammadi library suddenly realises why the orthodox won over the gnostics and what comprises of orthodoxy - its all political and making the people subject to the clergy who are subject to the politicians for their protection.



posted on Mar, 19 2014 @ 07:28 AM
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I like the spirituality of both the Russian and Greek Orthodox churches.
I don't plan on converting and joining them.
But I like their prayer life and meditations.
(and their very cool icons)



posted on Mar, 19 2014 @ 07:36 AM
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Wait religious institutions have been manipulated in the past and present by political leaders? Stop the presses! This is extraordinary! No wait, it happens all the time in literally every religion ever. Nothing new here.



posted on Mar, 19 2014 @ 08:57 AM
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Yusomad: What are you on about? Is this some catholic stuff?
iSomeone: Please read OP. It will help answer questions.


Eat the Jehova's Witnesses' poison first, then ask questions.

Your wall of text clearly shows JW was completely mistaken about USSR. The "King of the North" is written of in Daniel 11, and the prophecy was fulfilled long before Jesus was born. The prophecy is about the schism that followed Alexander the Great in 333 BC when Greece was divided among his generals. King of the North is Assyria and King of the South is Egypt. Accept it and don't walk into the world backwards staring at the past. It's no use. Accept it and deal with it.
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posted on Mar, 19 2014 @ 09:20 AM
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I have no desire to pass any judgement on your beliefs, but as a Catholic raised in the Northeast USA I have to say that seeing the words "Expose" and "Church" in the same sentence just gives me the shivers...



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