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AutumnWitch657
reply to post by UxoriousMagnus
But at the same time you wouldn't claim to know more than a fully trained commercial pilot would you?
I can point out a mansard roof when I see one. I know what a flying buttress is and I know the difference between a Victorian house and a cape cod but I'd never presume that I know more than you about architecture because I like reading about it.edit on PM000000310000000331241312014-03-19T13:41:19-05:00 by AutumnWitch657 because: (no reason given)
AutumnWitch657
reply to post by SunnyDee
Some people have a natural immunity to the flu viruses. I've never had a flu vaccine and I've never had the flu either. No one in my family has ever had the flu and my brother has never even had a cold. My kids were always the ones with 100% attendance . I don't know what to attribute this immunity to but it's real. My kids visits to the doctor for illness can be counted on one hand and that's for three kids spread out over 21 years. My oldest is 39 my baby just turned 18 in October.
One case of ear infection one for pink eye and two cases of tonsilitis. The oldest did have his tonsils removed. My middle one never went to the doctor for an illness though he did see him for stitches a few times.
AutumnWitch657
reply to post by nugget1
All vaccines are free of charge if you go to your local board of health. But people look at the board of health free vaccines like it's some low level health clinic for the poor. Once I found out they vaccinate for free that's where we took the kids. We had a pediatrician for them but didn't pay them to give vaccines we could get for free.
UxoriousMagnus
Pardon?
UxoriousMagnus
GetHyped
InverseLookingGlass
reply to post by GetHyped
I didn't say that. But if you need to exaggerate to make your point, carry on.
By being anti-vaccine, you are by definition someone who thinks they know more about vaccines that the entire scientific establishment who have spent decades of their lives meticulously researching and experimenting with them.
You're also dead wrong.edit on 18-3-2014 by GetHyped because: (no reason given)
your comment should have just been
"By being anti-vaccine, you are by definition...someone who thinks"
you should have just left it there.
because if you are pro vaccine....you aren't thinking....you are just listening to whatever you are told by MSM and big pharma
Or that you have enough of a medical or scientific background to understand that pretty much everything the anti-vaxxers say is regurgitated lies and misinformation?
because you have to have a "background" to understand something?
I have a degree in Architecture....but my love is aeronautics ....I have studied aeronautics for the past 14 years on my own....but according to you....I can't know anything about it because it isn't my "background".
Got it! Thanks for clearing that up.
I also have been studying health and vaccines etc for about the last 20 years because .... again ... I am intrigued by it.....but it isn't my "background".....so....I can't know anything about it.
P.S. There are tons of virologists, practitioners and professors that think vaccines are a bad idea....so maybe their "background" is in basket weaving or something
UxoriousMagnus
AutumnWitch657
reply to post by SunnyDee
Some people have a natural immunity to the flu viruses. I've never had a flu vaccine and I've never had the flu either. No one in my family has ever had the flu and my brother has never even had a cold. My kids were always the ones with 100% attendance . I don't know what to attribute this immunity to but it's real. My kids visits to the doctor for illness can be counted on one hand and that's for three kids spread out over 21 years. My oldest is 39 my baby just turned 18 in October.
One case of ear infection one for pink eye and two cases of tonsilitis. The oldest did have his tonsils removed. My middle one never went to the doctor for an illness though he did see him for stitches a few times.
infant mortality is one of the best ways to gauge a societies overall health and well being.
you should check into ours....America is 34th in the world.
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...
this article shows it could be directly linked to the record number (26) of vaccines given to our children before their first birth day.
nugget1
If research is done by anybody affiliated with anti-vax, it's considered biased and invalid.
If research is done by Big Pharma, it's considered the Holy Grail.
Being adamantly convinced either way renders one too close-minded to examine facts, because they might not be what you 'want' to hear.
Pardon?
UxoriousMagnus
AutumnWitch657
reply to post by SunnyDee
Some people have a natural immunity to the flu viruses. I've never had a flu vaccine and I've never had the flu either. No one in my family has ever had the flu and my brother has never even had a cold. My kids were always the ones with 100% attendance . I don't know what to attribute this immunity to but it's real. My kids visits to the doctor for illness can be counted on one hand and that's for three kids spread out over 21 years. My oldest is 39 my baby just turned 18 in October.
One case of ear infection one for pink eye and two cases of tonsilitis. The oldest did have his tonsils removed. My middle one never went to the doctor for an illness though he did see him for stitches a few times.
infant mortality is one of the best ways to gauge a societies overall health and well being.
you should check into ours....America is 34th in the world.
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...
this article shows it could be directly linked to the record number (26) of vaccines given to our children before their first birth day.
And you see, posting links like this only highlights why your study of vaccines and health isn't as complete as you would have yourself believe.
The author of your link, Neil Z. Miller is a director of the ThinkTwice Global Vaccine Institute, a vehemently anti-vax organisation.
Straight away that should alert you to the fact that any papers by him may be skewed somewhat. He's not a paediatrician, not a virologist, not an immunologist and not an epidemiologist.
He's a medical research journalist.
His partner for this paper, Gary Oldman, is a computer scientist and director of Medical Veritas which essentially is anti everything to do with medical science.
Neither of them have any medical qualifications or experience at all (so I can see how you can relate to this paper).
Aside from that he cites SIDS as being exacerbated by vaccines. It's one of his major arguments in the paper.
However he's completely wrong.
It's actually the other way around.
www.sciencedirect.com...
They also did another study trying to link the rate of hospitalisations in vaccinated infants by using VAERS data.
If you're as familiar with VAERS as you would like to think then you would quickly understand that this is completely useless.
Here's a couple of interesting pages on Miller and Goldman.
scienceblogs.com...
scienceblogs.com...
So this has sort of vindicated my previous post about how the only reference for your medical "studies" has been you.
SunnyDee
Slightly off topic, but by 2050 the world is on target to double or triple in inhabitants, from 7 billion to 15-25 billion. Do you think the TPB and all it's affiliates know this? I do. Can earth survive this onslaught in regards to resources?
I think there will be many ways in which these numbers will be curbed. Wars, viruses, disasters...The question is do you trust those that are making all your decisions for you or not? Big picture.
On topic, if a person is immunized why do they worry about catching what they are immunized to? I can just not get around this, no matter how people try to justify the thinking. Either the vac works or it doesn't.
UxoriousMagnus
Pardon?
UxoriousMagnus
AutumnWitch657
reply to post by SunnyDee
Some people have a natural immunity to the flu viruses. I've never had a flu vaccine and I've never had the flu either. No one in my family has ever had the flu and my brother has never even had a cold. My kids were always the ones with 100% attendance . I don't know what to attribute this immunity to but it's real. My kids visits to the doctor for illness can be counted on one hand and that's for three kids spread out over 21 years. My oldest is 39 my baby just turned 18 in October.
One case of ear infection one for pink eye and two cases of tonsilitis. The oldest did have his tonsils removed. My middle one never went to the doctor for an illness though he did see him for stitches a few times.
infant mortality is one of the best ways to gauge a societies overall health and well being.
you should check into ours....America is 34th in the world.
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...
this article shows it could be directly linked to the record number (26) of vaccines given to our children before their first birth day.
And you see, posting links like this only highlights why your study of vaccines and health isn't as complete as you would have yourself believe.
The author of your link, Neil Z. Miller is a director of the ThinkTwice Global Vaccine Institute, a vehemently anti-vax organisation.
Straight away that should alert you to the fact that any papers by him may be skewed somewhat. He's not a paediatrician, not a virologist, not an immunologist and not an epidemiologist.
He's a medical research journalist.
His partner for this paper, Gary Oldman, is a computer scientist and director of Medical Veritas which essentially is anti everything to do with medical science.
Neither of them have any medical qualifications or experience at all (so I can see how you can relate to this paper).
Aside from that he cites SIDS as being exacerbated by vaccines. It's one of his major arguments in the paper.
However he's completely wrong.
It's actually the other way around.
www.sciencedirect.com...
They also did another study trying to link the rate of hospitalisations in vaccinated infants by using VAERS data.
If you're as familiar with VAERS as you would like to think then you would quickly understand that this is completely useless.
Here's a couple of interesting pages on Miller and Goldman.
scienceblogs.com...
scienceblogs.com...
So this has sort of vindicated my previous post about how the only reference for your medical "studies" has been you.
I give you a link to the National Library of Medicine and you give me links to a blog and a book store?
One of the head virologists of the CDC even said that the flu vax was useless and he couldn't believe it was still being pushed on the public.
As for all the pro's that are against vaccines.....that will be up to you to search out should you desire. I have post about them at length in other threads on ATS and will not be re-hashing the info.
Pardon?
UxoriousMagnus
Pardon?
UxoriousMagnus
AutumnWitch657
reply to post by SunnyDee
Some people have a natural immunity to the flu viruses. I've never had a flu vaccine and I've never had the flu either. No one in my family has ever had the flu and my brother has never even had a cold. My kids were always the ones with 100% attendance . I don't know what to attribute this immunity to but it's real. My kids visits to the doctor for illness can be counted on one hand and that's for three kids spread out over 21 years. My oldest is 39 my baby just turned 18 in October.
One case of ear infection one for pink eye and two cases of tonsilitis. The oldest did have his tonsils removed. My middle one never went to the doctor for an illness though he did see him for stitches a few times.
infant mortality is one of the best ways to gauge a societies overall health and well being.
you should check into ours....America is 34th in the world.
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...
this article shows it could be directly linked to the record number (26) of vaccines given to our children before their first birth day.
And you see, posting links like this only highlights why your study of vaccines and health isn't as complete as you would have yourself believe.
The author of your link, Neil Z. Miller is a director of the ThinkTwice Global Vaccine Institute, a vehemently anti-vax organisation.
Straight away that should alert you to the fact that any papers by him may be skewed somewhat. He's not a paediatrician, not a virologist, not an immunologist and not an epidemiologist.
He's a medical research journalist.
His partner for this paper, Gary Oldman, is a computer scientist and director of Medical Veritas which essentially is anti everything to do with medical science.
Neither of them have any medical qualifications or experience at all (so I can see how you can relate to this paper).
Aside from that he cites SIDS as being exacerbated by vaccines. It's one of his major arguments in the paper.
However he's completely wrong.
It's actually the other way around.
www.sciencedirect.com...
They also did another study trying to link the rate of hospitalisations in vaccinated infants by using VAERS data.
If you're as familiar with VAERS as you would like to think then you would quickly understand that this is completely useless.
Here's a couple of interesting pages on Miller and Goldman.
scienceblogs.com...
scienceblogs.com...
So this has sort of vindicated my previous post about how the only reference for your medical "studies" has been you.
I give you a link to the National Library of Medicine and you give me links to a blog and a book store?
One of the head virologists of the CDC even said that the flu vax was useless and he couldn't believe it was still being pushed on the public.
As for all the pro's that are against vaccines.....that will be up to you to search out should you desire. I have post about them at length in other threads on ATS and will not be re-hashing the info.
It matters what information and facts are contained within the links provided not the where the links are from.
The study you linked to was amateurish rubbish and easily picked apart.
You're showing your lack of understanding in vaccines and health again I'm afraid.
I asked you for names of all of these "experts" and you haven't provided any but asked me to find them out.
The reason I ask is that I've not been able to find any but since you've bandied them about the least you could do would be to name them.
What's the name of the "head virologist of the CDC" you speak of?
If you going to paraphrase him at least tell me who it is so I can check up.
I'll happily back up what I post with sources and names, will you?
Pardon?
UxoriousMagnus
Pardon?
UxoriousMagnus
AutumnWitch657
reply to post by SunnyDee
Some people have a natural immunity to the flu viruses. I've never had a flu vaccine and I've never had the flu either. No one in my family has ever had the flu and my brother has never even had a cold. My kids were always the ones with 100% attendance . I don't know what to attribute this immunity to but it's real. My kids visits to the doctor for illness can be counted on one hand and that's for three kids spread out over 21 years. My oldest is 39 my baby just turned 18 in October.
One case of ear infection one for pink eye and two cases of tonsilitis. The oldest did have his tonsils removed. My middle one never went to the doctor for an illness though he did see him for stitches a few times.
infant mortality is one of the best ways to gauge a societies overall health and well being.
you should check into ours....America is 34th in the world.
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...
this article shows it could be directly linked to the record number (26) of vaccines given to our children before their first birth day.
And you see, posting links like this only highlights why your study of vaccines and health isn't as complete as you would have yourself believe.
The author of your link, Neil Z. Miller is a director of the ThinkTwice Global Vaccine Institute, a vehemently anti-vax organisation.
Straight away that should alert you to the fact that any papers by him may be skewed somewhat. He's not a paediatrician, not a virologist, not an immunologist and not an epidemiologist.
He's a medical research journalist.
His partner for this paper, Gary Oldman, is a computer scientist and director of Medical Veritas which essentially is anti everything to do with medical science.
Neither of them have any medical qualifications or experience at all (so I can see how you can relate to this paper).
Aside from that he cites SIDS as being exacerbated by vaccines. It's one of his major arguments in the paper.
However he's completely wrong.
It's actually the other way around.
www.sciencedirect.com...
They also did another study trying to link the rate of hospitalisations in vaccinated infants by using VAERS data.
If you're as familiar with VAERS as you would like to think then you would quickly understand that this is completely useless.
Here's a couple of interesting pages on Miller and Goldman.
scienceblogs.com...
scienceblogs.com...
So this has sort of vindicated my previous post about how the only reference for your medical "studies" has been you.
I give you a link to the National Library of Medicine and you give me links to a blog and a book store?
One of the head virologists of the CDC even said that the flu vax was useless and he couldn't believe it was still being pushed on the public.
As for all the pro's that are against vaccines.....that will be up to you to search out should you desire. I have post about them at length in other threads on ATS and will not be re-hashing the info.
It matters what information and facts are contained within the links provided not the where the links are from.
The study you linked to was amateurish rubbish and easily picked apart.
You're showing your lack of understanding in vaccines and health again I'm afraid.
I asked you for names of all of these "experts" and you haven't provided any but asked me to find them out.
The reason I ask is that I've not been able to find any but since you've bandied them about the least you could do would be to name them.
What's the name of the "head virologist of the CDC" you speak of?
If you going to paraphrase him at least tell me who it is so I can check up.
I'll happily back up what I post with sources and names, will you?
In an interview with Dr. Thomas Jefferson, coordinator for the Cochrane Vaccine Field in Rome, Italy, he stated that in 2009 he conducted a thorough review of 217 published studies on flu vaccines and found only 5% reliable. In other words, 95% of published flu vaccine studies are flawed and their conclusions should be dismissed. This is not a great surprise; even CDC officials were forced to confess that “influenza vaccines are still among the least effective immunizing agents available, and this seems to be particularly true for elderly recipients.”[1] Dr. Anthony Morris, a distinguished virologist and a former Chief Vaccine Office at the FDA, found “there is no evidence that any influenza vaccine thus far developed is effective in preventing or mitigating any attack of influenza.’ Dr. Morris stated, “The producers of these vaccines know they are worthless, but they go on selling them anyway.”[2]
SunnyDee
AutumnWitch657
reply to post by InverseLookingGlass
I looked and found different figures so I guess you find what you look for. Still the benefits far far outweigh the few bad results. There are people who are sensitive to vaccines I admit that but we can't let those few cases make the decision for us. There is just no getting around the fact that vaccines save lives.
Do you have a clue what small pox was like?
www.immunize.org...
These are pictures of people immunized:
www.vaccineriskawareness.com...
UxoriousMagnus
Pardon?
UxoriousMagnus
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UxoriousMagnus
AutumnWitch657
reply to post by SunnyDee
Some people have a natural immunity to the flu viruses. I've never had a flu vaccine and I've never had the flu either. No one in my family has ever had the flu and my brother has never even had a cold. My kids were always the ones with 100% attendance . I don't know what to attribute this immunity to but it's real. My kids visits to the doctor for illness can be counted on one hand and that's for three kids spread out over 21 years. My oldest is 39 my baby just turned 18 in October.
One case of ear infection one for pink eye and two cases of tonsilitis. The oldest did have his tonsils removed. My middle one never went to the doctor for an illness though he did see him for stitches a few times.
infant mortality is one of the best ways to gauge a societies overall health and well being.
you should check into ours....America is 34th in the world.
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...
this article shows it could be directly linked to the record number (26) of vaccines given to our children before their first birth day.
And you see, posting links like this only highlights why your study of vaccines and health isn't as complete as you would have yourself believe.
The author of your link, Neil Z. Miller is a director of the ThinkTwice Global Vaccine Institute, a vehemently anti-vax organisation.
Straight away that should alert you to the fact that any papers by him may be skewed somewhat. He's not a paediatrician, not a virologist, not an immunologist and not an epidemiologist.
He's a medical research journalist.
His partner for this paper, Gary Oldman, is a computer scientist and director of Medical Veritas which essentially is anti everything to do with medical science.
Neither of them have any medical qualifications or experience at all (so I can see how you can relate to this paper).
Aside from that he cites SIDS as being exacerbated by vaccines. It's one of his major arguments in the paper.
However he's completely wrong.
It's actually the other way around.
www.sciencedirect.com...
They also did another study trying to link the rate of hospitalisations in vaccinated infants by using VAERS data.
If you're as familiar with VAERS as you would like to think then you would quickly understand that this is completely useless.
Here's a couple of interesting pages on Miller and Goldman.
scienceblogs.com...
scienceblogs.com...
So this has sort of vindicated my previous post about how the only reference for your medical "studies" has been you.
I give you a link to the National Library of Medicine and you give me links to a blog and a book store?
One of the head virologists of the CDC even said that the flu vax was useless and he couldn't believe it was still being pushed on the public.
As for all the pro's that are against vaccines.....that will be up to you to search out should you desire. I have post about them at length in other threads on ATS and will not be re-hashing the info.
It matters what information and facts are contained within the links provided not the where the links are from.
The study you linked to was amateurish rubbish and easily picked apart.
You're showing your lack of understanding in vaccines and health again I'm afraid.
I asked you for names of all of these "experts" and you haven't provided any but asked me to find them out.
The reason I ask is that I've not been able to find any but since you've bandied them about the least you could do would be to name them.
What's the name of the "head virologist of the CDC" you speak of?
If you going to paraphrase him at least tell me who it is so I can check up.
I'll happily back up what I post with sources and names, will you?
though I will give you the CDC and FDA info...
In an interview with Dr. Thomas Jefferson, coordinator for the Cochrane Vaccine Field in Rome, Italy, he stated that in 2009 he conducted a thorough review of 217 published studies on flu vaccines and found only 5% reliable. In other words, 95% of published flu vaccine studies are flawed and their conclusions should be dismissed. This is not a great surprise; even CDC officials were forced to confess that “influenza vaccines are still among the least effective immunizing agents available, and this seems to be particularly true for elderly recipients.”[1] Dr. Anthony Morris, a distinguished virologist and a former Chief Vaccine Office at the FDA, found “there is no evidence that any influenza vaccine thus far developed is effective in preventing or mitigating any attack of influenza.’ Dr. Morris stated, “The producers of these vaccines know they are worthless, but they go on selling them anyway.”[2]
www.globalresearch.ca...
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UxoriousMagnus
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UxoriousMagnus
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UxoriousMagnus
AutumnWitch657
reply to post by SunnyDee
Some people have a natural immunity to the flu viruses. I've never had a flu vaccine and I've never had the flu either. No one in my family has ever had the flu and my brother has never even had a cold. My kids were always the ones with 100% attendance . I don't know what to attribute this immunity to but it's real. My kids visits to the doctor for illness can be counted on one hand and that's for three kids spread out over 21 years. My oldest is 39 my baby just turned 18 in October.
One case of ear infection one for pink eye and two cases of tonsilitis. The oldest did have his tonsils removed. My middle one never went to the doctor for an illness though he did see him for stitches a few times.
infant mortality is one of the best ways to gauge a societies overall health and well being.
you should check into ours....America is 34th in the world.
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...
this article shows it could be directly linked to the record number (26) of vaccines given to our children before their first birth day.
And you see, posting links like this only highlights why your study of vaccines and health isn't as complete as you would have yourself believe.
The author of your link, Neil Z. Miller is a director of the ThinkTwice Global Vaccine Institute, a vehemently anti-vax organisation.
Straight away that should alert you to the fact that any papers by him may be skewed somewhat. He's not a paediatrician, not a virologist, not an immunologist and not an epidemiologist.
He's a medical research journalist.
His partner for this paper, Gary Oldman, is a computer scientist and director of Medical Veritas which essentially is anti everything to do with medical science.
Neither of them have any medical qualifications or experience at all (so I can see how you can relate to this paper).
Aside from that he cites SIDS as being exacerbated by vaccines. It's one of his major arguments in the paper.
However he's completely wrong.
It's actually the other way around.
www.sciencedirect.com...
They also did another study trying to link the rate of hospitalisations in vaccinated infants by using VAERS data.
If you're as familiar with VAERS as you would like to think then you would quickly understand that this is completely useless.
Here's a couple of interesting pages on Miller and Goldman.
scienceblogs.com...
scienceblogs.com...
So this has sort of vindicated my previous post about how the only reference for your medical "studies" has been you.
I give you a link to the National Library of Medicine and you give me links to a blog and a book store?
One of the head virologists of the CDC even said that the flu vax was useless and he couldn't believe it was still being pushed on the public.
As for all the pro's that are against vaccines.....that will be up to you to search out should you desire. I have post about them at length in other threads on ATS and will not be re-hashing the info.
It matters what information and facts are contained within the links provided not the where the links are from.
The study you linked to was amateurish rubbish and easily picked apart.
You're showing your lack of understanding in vaccines and health again I'm afraid.
I asked you for names of all of these "experts" and you haven't provided any but asked me to find them out.
The reason I ask is that I've not been able to find any but since you've bandied them about the least you could do would be to name them.
What's the name of the "head virologist of the CDC" you speak of?
If you going to paraphrase him at least tell me who it is so I can check up.
I'll happily back up what I post with sources and names, will you?
though I will give you the CDC and FDA info...
In an interview with Dr. Thomas Jefferson, coordinator for the Cochrane Vaccine Field in Rome, Italy, he stated that in 2009 he conducted a thorough review of 217 published studies on flu vaccines and found only 5% reliable. In other words, 95% of published flu vaccine studies are flawed and their conclusions should be dismissed. This is not a great surprise; even CDC officials were forced to confess that “influenza vaccines are still among the least effective immunizing agents available, and this seems to be particularly true for elderly recipients.”[1] Dr. Anthony Morris, a distinguished virologist and a former Chief Vaccine Office at the FDA, found “there is no evidence that any influenza vaccine thus far developed is effective in preventing or mitigating any attack of influenza.’ Dr. Morris stated, “The producers of these vaccines know they are worthless, but they go on selling them anyway.”[2]
www.globalresearch.ca...
Dr Anthony Morris wasn't a distinguished virologist else he would have published research into viruses. A simple PubMed search brings up only two papers from the 1950's and both were on bacteria.
He seems to have been more of a bureaucrat within the FDA and was summarily dismissed in the early '70's following a political issue there (he was sacked) So he obviously has no axe to grind eh?
Read page 5 www.fda.gov...
As for the Jefferson quote I can't find a citation for that anywhere. Everywhere I look I find exactly the same words as you have copied and pasted but nothing to back it up. Just regurgitation.
But let's run with what's allegedly been said; flu vaccines are the least effective vaccines but if you actually care to look at the 5% of the studies that are valid (there are actually many more but as I said, I'll run with you on this) they give a 65% effectiveness.
That means 65% of people who have the shot will not get the flu.
That's not what they're aiming for but it's still very far from worthless isn't it?
So it's gone from "There are tons of virologists, practitioners and professors that think vaccines are a bad idea" to one verified one who thinks that one vaccine isn't as good as he'd like it to be.
You really don't seem to know as much as you think you do so I'm going to agree with the earlier poster who cited the Dunning-Kruger effect, cognitive bias if you will.
UxoriousMagnus
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UxoriousMagnus
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UxoriousMagnus
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AutumnWitch657
reply to post by SunnyDee
Some people have a natural immunity to the flu viruses. I've never had a flu vaccine and I've never had the flu either. No one in my family has ever had the flu and my brother has never even had a cold. My kids were always the ones with 100% attendance . I don't know what to attribute this immunity to but it's real. My kids visits to the doctor for illness can be counted on one hand and that's for three kids spread out over 21 years. My oldest is 39 my baby just turned 18 in October.
One case of ear infection one for pink eye and two cases of tonsilitis. The oldest did have his tonsils removed. My middle one never went to the doctor for an illness though he did see him for stitches a few times.
infant mortality is one of the best ways to gauge a societies overall health and well being.
you should check into ours....America is 34th in the world.
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...
this article shows it could be directly linked to the record number (26) of vaccines given to our children before their first birth day.
And you see, posting links like this only highlights why your study of vaccines and health isn't as complete as you would have yourself believe.
The author of your link, Neil Z. Miller is a director of the ThinkTwice Global Vaccine Institute, a vehemently anti-vax organisation.
Straight away that should alert you to the fact that any papers by him may be skewed somewhat. He's not a paediatrician, not a virologist, not an immunologist and not an epidemiologist.
He's a medical research journalist.
His partner for this paper, Gary Oldman, is a computer scientist and director of Medical Veritas which essentially is anti everything to do with medical science.
Neither of them have any medical qualifications or experience at all (so I can see how you can relate to this paper).
Aside from that he cites SIDS as being exacerbated by vaccines. It's one of his major arguments in the paper.
However he's completely wrong.
It's actually the other way around.
www.sciencedirect.com...
They also did another study trying to link the rate of hospitalisations in vaccinated infants by using VAERS data.
If you're as familiar with VAERS as you would like to think then you would quickly understand that this is completely useless.
Here's a couple of interesting pages on Miller and Goldman.
scienceblogs.com...
scienceblogs.com...
So this has sort of vindicated my previous post about how the only reference for your medical "studies" has been you.
I give you a link to the National Library of Medicine and you give me links to a blog and a book store?
One of the head virologists of the CDC even said that the flu vax was useless and he couldn't believe it was still being pushed on the public.
As for all the pro's that are against vaccines.....that will be up to you to search out should you desire. I have post about them at length in other threads on ATS and will not be re-hashing the info.
It matters what information and facts are contained within the links provided not the where the links are from.
The study you linked to was amateurish rubbish and easily picked apart.
You're showing your lack of understanding in vaccines and health again I'm afraid.
I asked you for names of all of these "experts" and you haven't provided any but asked me to find them out.
The reason I ask is that I've not been able to find any but since you've bandied them about the least you could do would be to name them.
What's the name of the "head virologist of the CDC" you speak of?
If you going to paraphrase him at least tell me who it is so I can check up.
I'll happily back up what I post with sources and names, will you?
though I will give you the CDC and FDA info...
In an interview with Dr. Thomas Jefferson, coordinator for the Cochrane Vaccine Field in Rome, Italy, he stated that in 2009 he conducted a thorough review of 217 published studies on flu vaccines and found only 5% reliable. In other words, 95% of published flu vaccine studies are flawed and their conclusions should be dismissed. This is not a great surprise; even CDC officials were forced to confess that “influenza vaccines are still among the least effective immunizing agents available, and this seems to be particularly true for elderly recipients.”[1] Dr. Anthony Morris, a distinguished virologist and a former Chief Vaccine Office at the FDA, found “there is no evidence that any influenza vaccine thus far developed is effective in preventing or mitigating any attack of influenza.’ Dr. Morris stated, “The producers of these vaccines know they are worthless, but they go on selling them anyway.”[2]
www.globalresearch.ca...
Dr Anthony Morris wasn't a distinguished virologist else he would have published research into viruses. A simple PubMed search brings up only two papers from the 1950's and both were on bacteria.
He seems to have been more of a bureaucrat within the FDA and was summarily dismissed in the early '70's following a political issue there (he was sacked) So he obviously has no axe to grind eh?
Read page 5 www.fda.gov...
As for the Jefferson quote I can't find a citation for that anywhere. Everywhere I look I find exactly the same words as you have copied and pasted but nothing to back it up. Just regurgitation.
But let's run with what's allegedly been said; flu vaccines are the least effective vaccines but if you actually care to look at the 5% of the studies that are valid (there are actually many more but as I said, I'll run with you on this) they give a 65% effectiveness.
That means 65% of people who have the shot will not get the flu.
That's not what they're aiming for but it's still very far from worthless isn't it?
So it's gone from "There are tons of virologists, practitioners and professors that think vaccines are a bad idea" to one verified one who thinks that one vaccine isn't as good as he'd like it to be.
You really don't seem to know as much as you think you do so I'm going to agree with the earlier poster who cited the Dunning-Kruger effect, cognitive bias if you will.
It must be a UK thing....
you make personal attacks in almost every response instead of just staying on target with arguing your position.
Almost every response states how little someone knows or that you hope they are childless or some other personal attack.
other members, including myself, keep trying to argue our point and give references for that point...
you, on the other hand, make personal attacks.....it is a good show of the separation of the two sides of this issue. It shows the "types" of people that are on either side. Quite frankly....I will side with good people even if they are wrong (which they are not) instead of siding with people like you even if you were right (which you are not).
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AutumnWitch657
reply to post by SunnyDee
Some people have a natural immunity to the flu viruses. I've never had a flu vaccine and I've never had the flu either. No one in my family has ever had the flu and my brother has never even had a cold. My kids were always the ones with 100% attendance . I don't know what to attribute this immunity to but it's real. My kids visits to the doctor for illness can be counted on one hand and that's for three kids spread out over 21 years. My oldest is 39 my baby just turned 18 in October.
One case of ear infection one for pink eye and two cases of tonsilitis. The oldest did have his tonsils removed. My middle one never went to the doctor for an illness though he did see him for stitches a few times.
infant mortality is one of the best ways to gauge a societies overall health and well being.
you should check into ours....America is 34th in the world.
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...
this article shows it could be directly linked to the record number (26) of vaccines given to our children before their first birth day.
And you see, posting links like this only highlights why your study of vaccines and health isn't as complete as you would have yourself believe.
The author of your link, Neil Z. Miller is a director of the ThinkTwice Global Vaccine Institute, a vehemently anti-vax organisation.
Straight away that should alert you to the fact that any papers by him may be skewed somewhat. He's not a paediatrician, not a virologist, not an immunologist and not an epidemiologist.
He's a medical research journalist.
His partner for this paper, Gary Oldman, is a computer scientist and director of Medical Veritas which essentially is anti everything to do with medical science.
Neither of them have any medical qualifications or experience at all (so I can see how you can relate to this paper).
Aside from that he cites SIDS as being exacerbated by vaccines. It's one of his major arguments in the paper.
However he's completely wrong.
It's actually the other way around.
www.sciencedirect.com...
They also did another study trying to link the rate of hospitalisations in vaccinated infants by using VAERS data.
If you're as familiar with VAERS as you would like to think then you would quickly understand that this is completely useless.
Here's a couple of interesting pages on Miller and Goldman.
scienceblogs.com...
scienceblogs.com...
So this has sort of vindicated my previous post about how the only reference for your medical "studies" has been you.
I give you a link to the National Library of Medicine and you give me links to a blog and a book store?
One of the head virologists of the CDC even said that the flu vax was useless and he couldn't believe it was still being pushed on the public.
As for all the pro's that are against vaccines.....that will be up to you to search out should you desire. I have post about them at length in other threads on ATS and will not be re-hashing the info.
It matters what information and facts are contained within the links provided not the where the links are from.
The study you linked to was amateurish rubbish and easily picked apart.
You're showing your lack of understanding in vaccines and health again I'm afraid.
I asked you for names of all of these "experts" and you haven't provided any but asked me to find them out.
The reason I ask is that I've not been able to find any but since you've bandied them about the least you could do would be to name them.
What's the name of the "head virologist of the CDC" you speak of?
If you going to paraphrase him at least tell me who it is so I can check up.
I'll happily back up what I post with sources and names, will you?
nah...I think I am done. It isn't like you will believe anything I bring forward anyway....just as I won't be turned by "specialist" after "specialist" that you bring forth who are pro vaccine. I think they are all controlled, paid off hacks and you think all the anti-vaxxers are uneducated hacks.....so we part ways in disagreement.
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AutumnWitch657
reply to post by SunnyDee
Some people have a natural immunity to the flu viruses. I've never had a flu vaccine and I've never had the flu either. No one in my family has ever had the flu and my brother has never even had a cold. My kids were always the ones with 100% attendance . I don't know what to attribute this immunity to but it's real. My kids visits to the doctor for illness can be counted on one hand and that's for three kids spread out over 21 years. My oldest is 39 my baby just turned 18 in October.
One case of ear infection one for pink eye and two cases of tonsilitis. The oldest did have his tonsils removed. My middle one never went to the doctor for an illness though he did see him for stitches a few times.
infant mortality is one of the best ways to gauge a societies overall health and well being.
you should check into ours....America is 34th in the world.
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...
this article shows it could be directly linked to the record number (26) of vaccines given to our children before their first birth day.
And you see, posting links like this only highlights why your study of vaccines and health isn't as complete as you would have yourself believe.
The author of your link, Neil Z. Miller is a director of the ThinkTwice Global Vaccine Institute, a vehemently anti-vax organisation.
Straight away that should alert you to the fact that any papers by him may be skewed somewhat. He's not a paediatrician, not a virologist, not an immunologist and not an epidemiologist.
He's a medical research journalist.
His partner for this paper, Gary Oldman, is a computer scientist and director of Medical Veritas which essentially is anti everything to do with medical science.
Neither of them have any medical qualifications or experience at all (so I can see how you can relate to this paper).
Aside from that he cites SIDS as being exacerbated by vaccines. It's one of his major arguments in the paper.
However he's completely wrong.
It's actually the other way around.
www.sciencedirect.com...
They also did another study trying to link the rate of hospitalisations in vaccinated infants by using VAERS data.
If you're as familiar with VAERS as you would like to think then you would quickly understand that this is completely useless.
Here's a couple of interesting pages on Miller and Goldman.
scienceblogs.com...
scienceblogs.com...
So this has sort of vindicated my previous post about how the only reference for your medical "studies" has been you.
I give you a link to the National Library of Medicine and you give me links to a blog and a book store?
One of the head virologists of the CDC even said that the flu vax was useless and he couldn't believe it was still being pushed on the public.
As for all the pro's that are against vaccines.....that will be up to you to search out should you desire. I have post about them at length in other threads on ATS and will not be re-hashing the info.
It matters what information and facts are contained within the links provided not the where the links are from.
The study you linked to was amateurish rubbish and easily picked apart.
You're showing your lack of understanding in vaccines and health again I'm afraid.
I asked you for names of all of these "experts" and you haven't provided any but asked me to find them out.
The reason I ask is that I've not been able to find any but since you've bandied them about the least you could do would be to name them.
What's the name of the "head virologist of the CDC" you speak of?
If you going to paraphrase him at least tell me who it is so I can check up.
I'll happily back up what I post with sources and names, will you?
nah...I think I am done. It isn't like you will believe anything I bring forward anyway....just as I won't be turned by "specialist" after "specialist" that you bring forth who are pro vaccine. I think they are all controlled, paid off hacks and you think all the anti-vaxxers are uneducated hacks.....so we part ways in disagreement.
Apologies, I missed this post.
Once again you've spectacularly missed the point of what I said (and dodged what I've asked, what a surprise).
I don't care what or who presents evidence, I care about the evidence.
If it's robust then I will accept it.
If it's weak I'll dismiss it.
Who presents it is of no importance.
To look at it your way is anti-science not just anti-vax (and paranoid).
As the saying goes, science is true whether you believe it or not.
Deal with it.