This is what created us and everything else...I'm finished

reply to post by RevelationsDivad


Well how about this then?
When you have absolutely nothing?
That is to say, when absolutely nothing
exists. All there is, be darkness. Therefore
darkness does not exist. It is simply what
is there when nothing else exists.
But the darkness isn't created and therefore
does not exist. Light was created to cut through
that which does not exist. Light was created and therefore
definitely does exist. Darkness can not be measured.
Is there a speed of which darkness travels?

randyvs
reply to post by RevelationsDivad

 

Well how about this then?
When you have absolutely nothing?
That is to say, when absolutely nothing
exists. All there is, be darkness. Therefore
darkness does not exist. It is simply what
is there when nothing else exists.
But the darkness isn't created and therefore
does not exist. Light was created to cut through
that which does not exist. Light was created and therefore
definitely does exist. Darkness can not be measured.
Is there a speed of which darkness travels?

when you went to the 3rd line of this post to the 4th line you made a claim which was "...when absolutely nothing exists. All there is, be darkness..." then said from the 4th line after the claim you started another claim that went to the 5th line which was "...Therefore darkness does not exist..."

you contradicted yourself...

darkness does exist, we see darkness with our eyes when there is no light.

I will refrain from posting the solution again. If you don't understand then it is not for you to understand. I'm sorry...

reply to post by RevelationsDivad


IDK if you're doing it on purpose but....You're hilarious. You are a stubborn mule dragging roadkill trying to sell it as fresh meat I like it

reply to post by RevelationsDivad

A god which you call a "be-ing" CANNOT mingle between dimentions, that is impossible. You can identify what his "be-ing" is which I have done in the previous sentence.

And you know this is impossible how, exactly?

3u40r15m
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IDK if you're doing it on purpose but....You're hilarious. You are a stubborn mule dragging roadkill trying to sell it as fresh meat I like it

To me, its equal parts hilarious, and frustrating, as well as saddening. Hilarious and sadness because he actually believes it, and frustration from the failed attempts to show him the truth.

PsychoEmperor
There are two possibilities.

1. There was always something.

2. Something was created out of Nothing.

Those are the only two options, neither of which is explained by evolution.

Wouldn't you have to create something out of nothing in order to have something? So 1 is not a possibility.

Damn, but you can't create something if nothing exists. So 2 is not a possibility.

So there has to be a 3rd possibility?

I need to move to one of the following states to further review. Perhaps the OP lives in one of those states already and that is how the Thread came about.
medicalmarijuana.procon.org...

reply to post by RevelationsDivad

when you went to the 3rd line of this post to the 4th line you made a claim which was "...when absolutely nothing exists. All there is, be darkness..." then said from the 4th line after the claim you started another claim that went to the 5th line which was "...Therefore darkness does not exist..."

you contradicted yourself...

Negative bigtime. Darkness is nothing. When nothing exists there is only
the darkness of nothing. You need only close your eyes to know this.
you close your eyes and see nothing that exists. You see nothing and
Nothing is darkness. nothing and darkness do not exist.

randyvs
reply to post by RevelationsDivad

 

when you went to the 3rd line of this post to the 4th line you made a claim which was "...when absolutely nothing exists. All there is, be darkness..." then said from the 4th line after the claim you started another claim that went to the 5th line which was "...Therefore darkness does not exist..."

you contradicted yourself...

Negative bigtime. Darkness is nothing. When nothing exists there is only
the darkness of nothing. You need only close your eyes to know this.
you close your eyes and see nothing that exists. You see nothing and
Nothing is darkness. nothing and darkness do not exist.

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When you close your eyes you see the insides of you eyelids. They too exist, right?

So, when we imagine nothing, we do not truly imagine nothing, we imagine the absence everything that is necessary for "something".

The idea that nothing and darkness are non-existant is interesting. This seems to be true. But how can we say that "nothing" does not exist? The very concept of nothing is dependent on the existence of other things. Us, namely. Or at least, minds that can register the existence of something.

The concept of "nothing" cannot exist independently. There has to be a framework, something more. In fact, I think this makes the whole concept useless in a discussion like this. (I won't presume to define what kind of discussion this is.)

How can nothing exist without something?

How do you define "nothing"?

Edit to (Un)clarify:

This song kind of explains the difficulty in defining "nothing":


How do you dry it on yonder thorn, which never bore blossom since Adam was born?

interupt42

PsychoEmperor
There are two possibilities.

1. There was always something.

2. Something was created out of Nothing.

Those are the only two options, neither of which is explained by evolution.

Wouldn't you have to create something out of nothing in order to have something? So 1 is not a possibility.

Damn, but you can't create something if nothing exists. So 2 is not a possibility.

So there has to be a 3rd possibility?

I need to move to one of the following states to further review. Perhaps the OP lives in one of those states already and that is how the Thread came about.
medicalmarijuana.procon.org...

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Look at the statement carefully. It's not a seperation of both 1 and 2. But rather. The statement should be together.
Something was created out of nothing, But in order for that nothing to have something. It would have to be somthing prior to being nothing, if that makes sense.

Just because you cannot react with the nothing, Does not mean that nothing is actually there. We just precieve it as nothing, We look and think nothing is there because in reality, We assume its gas air. But when you remove those compenents as in a vacume sealed chamber. Once you remove the air is there still nothing in there? No. There still is something.


And if this nothing DID react with common elements in the universe such as the skin on your body or the tissue in your brain. Than we and likewise the rest of the universe would have a serious problem.
Therefore When we think of molecules to atoms, and that molecules are made of atoms. The smallest combinded components with other smaller objects orbiting it such as electrons protons you get the idea.

What is known in the galaxy to compress and destroy mass? Intense pressures and forces described as gravity.
The hadron collider shows us that mass breaks up into smaller mass when collided. But when a force of pressures and Forces described as gravity pull these sub atomic particles together, What happens is a much more dense clump of matter than say, A regular atom. This mass wouldn't be infinitly dense, And there would be enough of it to layer the whole universe. There would be so much of it, it would be considered the background. We could describe this stuff as *nothing*
But truely it isn't nothing and becomes something eventually.

That means that when mass is destroyed in the universe it is compressed, But since it is dorment. There will always be mass from previous compressions that will expand. Feeding energy and mass to galaxies allowing stars to form, rather than being swallowed by the central star clusters and black holes within each galaxy and burning out. Matter will always exist because no matter if every peice of mass is swallowed (impossibly) by black holes. Matter will always be expanding from the same source that spews the black crap into space from black holes.

At the same time, the rate of this black stuff being spewed outwards as well as the mass rushing in causes the galaxies to spin and hold shape. The pushing and pulling of the 2 forces spreads galaxies apart from each other preventing many collisions.

So to take all of it quite literally, Before mass there was darkness. And from that Darkness the mass came into being, And from that source we will return to, and again we shall emurge. But is our choice how we return there, Or if we run from it.
Do we embrace these forces? and convert our bodies through superior technology into that of the long lasting night sky? Do we join and become one with the universe? Or do we parade around as fireflies running from the forces of death and life itself.

Do we abandon our routes with the underworld and the heavens? To accept a fruity fairy enduced existance?
What if you had the chance to absolve fear and death, and become immune to it? Would you give up your love life? Sex? Your idenity to join the ranks of the immortal? Would you want to feel the coursing power of compression and expansion reconstructing your very being? into any figure or shape you desire? To beable to travel on ground in great strides and teleport at will?

What would you define as God, if not something of superior comprehension. Would you wish to never feel tired again?
No bathroom washroom? The only limitations are that you need superior technology to carry you from planet to planet, solar system to solar system, galaxy to galaxy. And lacking reproductive organs- after the technological reconfiguration.

If i were to say, that within your immortality. The very make up of the elements of your body last billions and billions of years.
You could watch a planet form, even a galaxy. You are made up of the very essense that is life and death itself.
Therefore, would you not be the begining? As well as the end?