Should young children be on this board.

I'm 14, blaine. I can seperate right from wrong, and fact from fiction. I know more than some college students. My IQ is 164, the average being 110. This is prejudice and I'm not going to stand here and take this stuff from you. If you wanna insult me, go ahead, because I hope you get banned for this, you stereotyping child-hater.

I'm not just representing myself, but everybody under your pre-set limit of 15 as well.

[edit on 11/25/04 by diehard_democrat]

As I stated in my previous post here, youth are welcomed by me for participation, as long as their parents are aware of the kids media diet and what ATS is.
BUT
netchicken says,

I have always modded on a policy that kids are on the site and avatars, links, etc should have them in mind as well. We are well aware of the vulnerabilites of kids, and are conscious about maintaining a "safe for kids" board structure.

While this is admirable, and socially polite....it seems to pass off the blame of a minor being here to the MODS, instead of the parents.

While this great site does choose to show a teen friendly face,
This is not a site made (designed) for kids. MANY themes and discussions here DO and ARE of a mature nature. Making things kid friendly DOES deny adults the full abillity to not have to be babysitting someone elses kid.

Overall, culturally, it seems more and more the "rubber padding of the universe" in the name of protecting children is getting out of hand.
PARENTS MUST BE RESPONSIBLE and stop passing the buck with a p.c. idea that everyone must suffer under more and more restrictions because they dont want THEIR kid exposed to something. Mabey other parents wouldnt have the same problem with what they think should be "kid proof".

Netchicken says,

Unfortunalty the concept of an "adult" board is merely one that includes porn.

Not nessisarilly, just look at movie/game rating system....adult themes include nudity, language, subject matter, and violence among criteria....it is also suject to the level at which these adult themes are expressed....a butt shot is not the same as full frontal nudity, a fist fight isnt the same as showing a person getting shot in the head or dismembered by an axe wielding guy in a hocky mask.
In an open "live" environment such as internet discussion boards....there is no effective way to evaluate everything and then put up a guide for parents to use. Hence, to protect unnumbered kids from POTENTIAL participation in something which MAY include adult content...ALL content is thus subject to a baby sitting mentality?
The "dumbing down" of information exchanges continues.


IF the majority of members could be proven to be adults (+18) then why infring upon the adults because PARENTS arent watching what their kids digest from the media? Net's assertion starts with the ASSUMPTION that kids are here and that they need protection from certain ideas.
Isnt this the parents job?

Again, im not saying youthful posters should be banned or hindered
just questioning where the true culpabillity for a minor using this site really is.

Marhee exemplifies my point,

I depend on the moderators to continue to do the good work that will keep these young people safe.

KEEPING YOUR KID SAFE IS THE JOB OF THE PARENTS NOT EVERYONE ELSE!

I think S.O.'s post says alot,

We're not baby-sitters, nor surrogate parents here. We assume that people who come to this discussion board has the advance permission of whoever (parents or employer) allows their Internet access.

god bless the children.
let them read what's here. there is no better library in the world than the collective knowledge of the world wide web(well, there is, but you and i ain't getting into it!). there are few places with more decorum than ATS. bloody television is WAY more profane and distorted.

Originally posted by JustAnIllusion
Wow.

This is just the reason I do not post my age. I know that some idiots base their judgements on people in accordance with their age rather than their opinions or knowledge on certain subjects. *sighs*

Eventually age will not mean as much, but it will take a few more years for people to get rid of that prejudice.

Get used to it - that's the way most of the world works. Being too - fat, skinny, ugly, tall, short, young, old, dark, or whatever you always find some descrimination. That's also what makes the internet so great - you are what you write. You see the person first instead of the shell.

Personally - I think the poster is a kid who's a bit naive or an adult pretending to be a kid.

I agree, children should not be hanging around this place, they should be learning from their parents.

However,

It isn't our position or ability to screen children out of here, and asa SO said, we can only assume that the children that are here are here because their gardians are allowing it.

We try and keep the board free of filth and vulgarity so that this place is fit for both ladies and the young. That's the most we can do.

Don't look to this web site to cure the ills of decaying societies in that regard.

Originally posted by Thomas Crowne
I agree, children should not be hanging around this place, they should be learning from their parents.

However,

It isn't our position or ability to screen children out of here, and asa SO said, we can only assume that the children that are here are here because their guardians are allowing it.

We try and keep the board free of filth and vulgarity so that this place is fit for both ladies and the young. That's the most we can do.

Don't look to this web site to cure the ills of decaying societies in that regard.

ahhhh, but thomas, wouldn't you agree that the standard of decorum here is HIGHER than the standard fair of television? kids can watch full on gettin' it on on sattelite or cable. i've heard every swear word there is on BROADCAST television. i've seen full frontal nudity, the suggestion of every sex act there is, ...i've seen HORRIBLE violence and depraved ideas, all coming unfiltered through my antenna. i've heard every swear word on the radio. i constantly hear insults from THE HOSTS of talk radio, that would get these guys banned in a heartbeat, here on ATS.
ATS is like squeaky clean compared to the rest of america/canada/britain....anyway, it's a sattelite enviroment, and the internet is a global enviroment, so compared to EVERYWHERE!

god forbid the children should be aware of what's REALLY going on in the world. i mean, you need a certain level of experience and intelligence to even WANT to be here. there are no girly pictures, or senseless violence, or anything else objectionable.
so, relax y'all, and carry on enjoying one of the finest sites on the net.

Originally posted by Seekerof
Banning was not nor was it deemed an appropriate response. The member was entitled to say what he or she felt, despite our collective disapproval.

seekerof

And this is what makes ATS a cut above the rest

Outsider says,

Eventually age will not mean as much, but it will take a few more years for people to get rid of that prejudice.

Do you REALLY think this is prejudice, or is this a basically held idea that youth, (children) have not yet had enough time under their belt to have either a broad education or enough practical real world experiance to extrapolate on some of the complex ideas discussed?

I know that i dont hold age against them for ages sake, but do question (not condem) some posts from youngsters because of the "time in the game of life" idea....i dont discount their perspective, but i realize how much i used to THINK i knew at a younger age, contrasted to what i know now..you know the old saying...if i only knew then....

As society is set up to legally "protect youth" under the assumption that they are not fully "responsible" or cognisant of their actions, would this qualify as prejudice? Or are we "culturalized" to treat minors like this?
(meaning its not willful against kids)

If threads are for mature readers or contain things of a graphic nature, we post warnings to state it. To be honest, there is nothing this board can really do when it comes to age restrictions. Some of our younger members, tend to be some of the most intelligent users

Yes, you make a great point Caz. Yes, we are setup to protect them but I was thinking in a broader sense of descrimination of both young & old (like me). One of the smartest people I've ever met was a kid that was 10 or 11 & had read more books then most the adults I know & quite frankly he could carry on a conversation better then most adults. Most those kind of kids get held back because of their age and I think alot of them get stunted or bored before they're allowed the reach their peak. I've seen teacher's that would actually be jealous of kids with superior abilities and would treat those kids worse and try to keep them down. I've never liked aged based rules when I was young & I still don't like now that I'm older. I would rather see rules driven by ability, but we have this stupid concept that everybody is equal and their not. Otherwise everyone could be a doctor & an NFL player.



[edit on 26-11-2004 by outsider]

Does anyone realize that the author of this thread has been AWOL since the original posts were made?
Make me wonder about the sincerity of the thread.

Originally posted by DontTreadOnMe
Does anyone realize that the author of this thread has been AWOL since the original posts were made?
Make me wonder about the sincerity of the thread.

Yeah, I figured he out trolling for something - maybe just trying to draw attention to that other thread. Regardless of the bad first post the thread was a good read.

Their parents aren't home, or they're busy, or they have other things on their mind.

Compared to a lot of other things might get into, ATS is not only sanitized and supervised, it demands a level of intelligence that's not even permitted to be displayed in schools.

Schools demand conformity, period. Silence. Stay in Line. Hurry Up. Pay attention. No talking. No note writing. No jokes. No laughing. Stay on page ten [for the fifth time].

Give the kids a break. We're having clean fun. Let them have clean fun too.

Maybe your problem is, you've never had any kids?

Originally posted by Notme
Maybe instead of a age verification system (unreliable like Byrd said) maybe an IQ test would work better

www.iqtest.com...

I think the test is faulty, I got a 141 saying I�m a genius. lol



Sometimes our parents are not the best teacher's on some things. If I listen to my father ALL the time, I would be racist.

Originally posted by ZeroDeep

hi!anti goverment 14 year old looking for news on conspiracies

if you have goverment conspiracy news please email it 2 me @ [email protected]

I don't think that's an attemp at anything provacative.

I do.

Let's just tell the tyke all about all our conspiracies and secret plans and such shall we?

Then wait for the knock on the door.

Originally posted by Chuck Stevenson

Originally posted by ZeroDeep

hi!anti goverment 14 year old looking for news on conspiracies

if you have goverment conspiracy news please email it 2 me @ [email protected]

I don't think that's an attemp at anything provacative.

I do.

Let's just tell the tyke all about all our conspiracies and secret plans and such shall we?

Then wait for the knock on the door.

read my signature. look at the yellow highlighted part. "rule by fear or intimidation". don't condone it.
i would suggest, 14 yr. old dude, that you remove your email address, if it is on the server you connect to. if you have high-speed access, you have a unique identifier. if you are on dial up, you are issued a different i.d. everytime you sign up. the government will always be able to find you, because they can supeona the company that you are paying for your internet connection to identify you, and trace you(based on 'national security', which is the blanket term they use, everytime they want to shove some injustice down your throat. and if you're a 'suspected terrorist', they can take you away, and fly you to a prison in guantanamo bay, which is the legal equivalent of the moon, and put you in a tiny cage, like an animal. and guess what? you don't get a lawyer, they don't have to tell anyone, and essentially, you've just gone missing. disappeared. scary, eh? tell your friends. the 'news' isn't saying a word)

here's the conspiracy.
don't trust the government.
they are self-serving oligarchs.
look it up.
look up, "oligarch, illuminati, rothschild, bildegerber, shwarzenegger, nixon, john f. kennedy, robert kennedy, herbert hoover, council of three hundred, the world trade organisation, orwell's 1984(that's a really good book. it will tell a story, but the story will tell you everything you need to know to understand what is going on in the world).
here's a good clue, too. illuminati have 'signatures'. when they do crime, they do it according to numerology, geometry and the alignment of the planets. these are called 'global ceremonies', and they are used to manipulate the masses(that's us). all the presidential assassins in america, for example, had three names. names like 'lee harvey oswald'. he is the guy who was framed by the media and the government for the murder of john f. kennedy. the illuminati did it at dealy plaza in your current president's home state, texas. 'magic bullet' and 'smoking gun', are important phrases to research. they picked dealy plaza because it was in the shape of a pentagram. another signature. like the pentagon, too, on 911. the pentagon represents protection, in illuminati mysticism.
you see, the government and the media claimed that this guy, lee harvey oswald, shot kennedy from the sixth floor of a building, which was behind a tree(you can buy the game now, and BE lee harvey oswald. see how hard it is to make the shot with that tree in the way). he was actually on the first floor at the time, and went home on a bus. who kills a president and then takes public transit for the getaway?
anyway, back to reality, the one really good film of the event was taken away by the secret police(the FBI, or the CIA, or the NSA), and only one reporter was allowed to watch it. he was a 'newbie'. he later became the man who would be the most identifiable, trusted, talking head in the massive propoganda machine called 'media'.
[ i want YOU to reseach that. and tell me who this reporter is. it will be simple. do a search on the 'zapruder film'. the world wide web will tell you the name. this will teach you haw to investigate conspiracies, too. just punch in names, and the names of companies and things you see here at ATS, and hit the search button. ]
he said, the head clearly rocked forward from the impact of the bullet.
the film was doctored, and edited to remove change the impact. it's an exploding head effect. detectable however, by forensics, to have been doctored.
the original version of the film, was later 'leaked'(by a true patriot, who realised it was EVIL to keep the truth hidden from the public), that the head rocked BACKWARDS, meaning that he had been shot from the front, and not the back. other evidence from the autopsy shows that there were multiply tradgectories, meaning, more than one bullet, more than one direction. all this evidence was later 'disappeared' for reasons of deniability, through murder and mayhem). you may still be able to see the original film at www.smokinggun.com. it is clear that the head rocks backwards, and the blood and brains spray upwards.

the reason the bad guys were able to keep it secret so long, was, anytime someone came close to the truth, they would use 'national security' as the excuse to halt any serious investigation into the matter(or, they would just spend the fifty cents for a bullet, to keep things 'right').

that said, you can't kill a president without a large crowd of people in low places asking good questions.
look into the kennedy assassination. it was the beginning of the takeover of the current 'gang' we have in the whitehouse. this gang is old, old, old, old. they practically made the banking system. they DID make the banking system we are UNDER right now. under, as in , slavery. financial chains to bind the populace of the earth.

now onto 911 again, anytime a good question gets asked, the government claims 'national security', as an excuse to take away all the freedoms that your forefathers fought, bled, argued, and died for. you may want to make a shirt(preferably brown, because the 'brownshirts', were the guys who burned books back in nazi germany. they would recruit the YOUTH of the country. they turned the youth against their parents, through 'propoganda', which is a fancy way of saying mass brainwashing. propoganda is the media.) and just write 'amerika' on it. make a bunch for your freinds. you will become the new media.
the steel from the towers of 911 was sold, and buried or shipped out of the country, at prices BELOW MARKET VALUE. this made it impossible to investigate scientifically, the reason for the collapse of the towers. buildings just DON'T fall down like that, unless they are mined with explosives.
now, 'media' is the ABSOLUTE, MOST ESSENTIAL THING, that you must research. you must understand what happens when people recieve information, and then anticipate what their reactions might be.
in the old days, people got their beliefs from the christian holy bible. much of the bible is proven to be true, or to be more precise, it is strongly corroborated(that means 'backed up', or in street, 'givin props') by other texts of the same time period. the roman census, for example.

now we are controlled by what we see on television, what we read in the newspapers, and what they CHOOSE for us to read in schools.

if you want to know the truth, you will use key word searchs, you will find books about conspiracies, and you will read ATS until your eyes bleed truth. you will tell all your freinds to do the same thing, and you will discuss it in groups.

good luck, spydude.

[edit on 27-11-2004 by billybob]

I'm actually 15 so I happend to disagree with you. However, anyone 14 and under should definately not be in this site.

Originally posted by NWObringer
I'm actually 15 so I happend to disagree with you. However, anyone 14 and under should definately not be in this site.

well, your name is 'NWObringer', and you have a picture of george bush with his thumb up. so, you're just not thinking enough, in my humble old man's opinion.
when i was growing up in the sixties, there was a lot more freedom for people. allen dulles and the other NWObringers from that period, the guys who killed kennedy, and then covered it up, have been slowly turning america into communist russia. it is done through mass media and financial subterfuge.
you will be a slave. we will all be slaves, except for a few EXTREMELY powerful EVIL men. is that what you really want? i think you could have handled that news when you were 9 or 10. it's very important and time sensitive.

If a parent does not WANT their child on here then the PARENT needs act like a PARENT and do something about it. Most importaint, TALK to your child! If you do let him/her on this or any other web site make darn sure that they can confide and be open and TALK about what they read/saw. Guide them when they need it. Thats why they are CHILDREN. They need a bit more help in the world. Most animals in the world can get along without a parent. They are born and can walk in hours. Human babies need HELP from day one. And day one does not end. If you don't like what they are seeing, watching on tv or listening to on the radio or if you don't like it, CHANGE THE CHANEL. I cannot think of one TV or radio with only one station. I get tired of hearing all this moral bs about whats on TV and whats on the radio and now the internet. Oh my.....!!!!! thats a booobbb!!! golly my eyes. He said DAMN!!!! oh my ears!! Take the moral BULL SH and shove it. It is NOT what the majority of people want! If it was the highest rated television shows would not exist on cable. Sex/City, The Sopranos and others CONSISTANTLY out rate other shows. Its the same people complaining that are watching.

Just talk to your kids.

Oh this is soo ridiculous , ok for starters how exactly was drunk 'wooing', secondly where is the starter of this thread, and thirdly who exactly uses the term 'wooing' anymore?

I'm 15, I've been around ATS since I was 14, and think it's brilliant.
I'm at college currently, having skipped a year and I just think it's ridiculous when people are stereotypical of age. Like just the other day, I wasn't allowed a child ticket on a bus because I was getting on during school hours and my explanation of being at college was 'laughable', even when I produced I.D.

My eight year old niece has read ATSNN articles a few times, because it is a serious and excellently produced site, just like ATS.

Deny Igorance people, Deny Ignorance.