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Or maybe the gay community just wants to say, "we love St Patty and we celebrate his day too." Did you ever think of that? Why is it when we want to take part in something, everyone persecutes us for 'trying to take over'
St Patrick's day goes off in gay pubs and there is more than a few kegs of guiness shared by all FYI
Both of them say who they are and are non offensive in my opinion and I would not take issue with either. The real truth is that people want to keep the gay hidden away in some apartheid state.
That there is the major difference between the two groups. One has ulterior motives for their march and the other does not. Which is why the parade organizers wisely decided to refuse preferential or special treatment for any particular group. No one was stopping gays from participating except the gays themselves. I mean the gay community calls for fair and equal treatment yet when they are treated such they cry foul and shout discrimination. Ironic isn't it?
The New York mayor is skipping the parade over the organiser’s ban of lesbian, gay, bisexual and transsexual participants carrying banners or the rainbow colours displaying their sexual orientation.
Homosexuality is a mental illness. It's fine to have one but not right to parade a mental illness around and show it off to people like it's the most normal thing in the world. Guinness is free to do what they want, but it won't stop me from thinking they're ridiculous.
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Studies suggesting some genetic link are not the same as studies proving a "gay gene", which hasn't ever happened.
The issue is that a group was old they weren't allowed to push their agenda in a St. Patrick's Day parade.
1) Bring up proof as a rebuttal or be silent. Nobody gives a crap about your opinion in the face of actual evidence.
2) What agenda? Gay Irish groups wanted to march in a parade celebrating Irish heritage, abiding by all of the rules. Cops get to march in the parade in uniform. Military get to march in the parade in uniform. They probably aren't even all Irish. Further, in actual Ireland, gay Irish groups march with their parades and nobody bats an eye.
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That was only a minor section of over 2000 studies showing the genetic link - search PubMed, there's extensive data on there.
He's a Patron Saint. It's a public holiday. I'm from the UK, I live in a part where signs on buildings used to read 'no blacks, no dogs, no Irish' just a few decades ago - so for a celebration of Irish heritage and 'the struggle' to exclude people at the spear of 'the struggle' is plain stupid. Especially when Paddy was famous for wearing dresses and hanging round exclusively with guys and spoke.
It has nothing to do with maintaining Catholic tradition - though shall not kill is one of the central tenants, yet terrorist funding groups were allowed to openly march. People drink alcohol despite it being an abstinence only event. There's even cocktails called 'Irish car bombs' and 'black & tan' - celebrating mass slaughter of civillians that are openly sold and no one bats an eyelid.
All the organisers are doing is cherry picking which parts to believe in order to single out and exclude a group - if they applied it uniformly than I wouldn't have much of a problem.
Sorry but when you have such backwards, hate filled views, I'm not going to pretend I respect your point of view or take the time to be polite - it's groundless bigotry, hatred and ignorance and deserves to be tackled in the strongest terms.
Al the marches around here allow rainbow flags and no one cares. People wear rainbow sashes and badges and you really have to strain to notice - there's none of this walking round in leather chaps, dry humping each other in front of kids nonsense people are spouting.
The rest of the world jokes that you can't have St Paddy's day without a bit of Gaelic - the Church and Clergy have largely grown up and realised there are far more pressing problems in the world and their own organisation to tackle then spouting hatred and condemnation at adults who are in love. I thought the US was meant to be obsessed with upholding the constitution and first amendment rights?edit on 20-3-2014 by bastion because: (no reason given)
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You can't offer proof of a negative. The simple fact is that NO study has ever located a gene that causes everyone that has it to be homosexual. There simply is no such thing. No one needs your permission to state facts.
If someone is Irish, and wanted to march as an Irish person, they were allowed to do so. What wasn't allowed was marching as a "gay" Irish person. That isn't what the parade is about. Cities in Ireland can handle things as they wish, and cities here can do the same. "You should do this because so-and-so is." has never been a valid argument.
Why Guinness is less Irish than you think
Arthur Guinness, who founded the brewery in Dublin in 1759, might have been surprised that his drink would one day become such a potent national symbol. He was a committed unionist and opponent of Irish nationalism, who before the Irish Rebellion of 1798 was even accused of spying for the British authorities. His descendants continued passionately to support unionism—one giving the Ulster Volunteer Force £10,000 in 1913 (about £1m, or $1.7m, in today’s money) to fund a paramilitary campaign to resist Ireland being given legislative independence. The company was alleged to have lent men and equipment to the British army to help crush Irish rebels during the Easter Rising of 1916, afterwards firing members of staff whom it believed to have Irish-nationalist sympathies.
Even in terms of branding, the company was considering disassociating itself from its Irish reputation as recently as the 1980s. Worried about the impact on sales of the IRA’s terrorist campaign during the Troubles, Guinness came close in 1982 to re-launching the brand as an English beer brewed in west London. But as Northern Ireland’s situation improved in the 1990s, the company’s marketing strategy changed again towards marketing the beer as Irish, aiming its product at tourists in Ireland and the estimated 70m people of Irish descent living around the world. Now the Guinness Storehouse, part of the original Dublin factory which was reopened as a tourist attraction in 2000, promotes Guinness to tourists as an Irish beer once again.
I never said anyone needs my permission, only saying that nobody cares about your mere opinion in the face of evidence to the contrary. Where's the proof of this fact you claim? It cannot be a fact if there is no proof. Further, P->Q, ~Q :. ~P is a perfectly valid form of logic. Your assertion that you can't offer proof of a negative is utterly wrong and attributed to a hack named James Randi. This entire website is based on debunking misinformation like that spouted by James Randi. Based on evidence that we do have, scientific opinion leans towards various things. We have evidence that trans and gay individuals are biologically different from straight individuals. We do not have evidence contrary to this as of yet, save for your assertion since you offer no evidence to the contrary, or it would be published in journals and we'd go back to not knowing what causes these things.
The parade is about Irish heritage, and people of Irish heritage were excluded from openly marching as everyone else does. It might not be unconstitutional or illegal for the organizers to do such a thing, but as other groups of people (who weren't necessarily all even of Irish descent) were able to openly march with their banners, it seems discriminatory. Just because you can do something doesn't make it right.edit on 9Fri, 21 Mar 2014 09:09:53 -0500America/ChicagovAmerica/Chicago3 by Greven because: (screwed up tags)edit on 9Fri, 21 Mar 2014 09:10:18 -0500America/ChicagovAmerica/Chicago3 by Greven because: (spelling)edit on 9Fri, 21 Mar 2014 09:12:26 -0500America/ChicagovAmerica/Chicago3 by Greven because: clarification
Well that's a load of nonsense - how do identified genetic markers have nothing to do with genes? Where's your evidence it has nothing to do with genes, considering it's the established scientific consensus on the matter. Link me to all these papers you've studied proving there is no genetic link whatsoever and state the qualifications you have to evaluate the data.
Rainbow flags have nothing to do with LGBT and are instead a promise from god? Please tell me you're joking.
No they specifically singled out and stopped gay people from marching behind a banner. That is pure discrimination. What's sexual about a banner with words on? Absolutely nothing. If they'd applied the rules uniformly or abided by Catholic values to have a traditional parade I wouldn't have a problem but neither of those things happened.
Sorry but it is backwards to cast a negative moral judgement on consenting adults' sexuality and to lie about the role genes play. It has absolutely nothing to do with you and is none of your business. If you genuinely feel being homosexual is wrong then at least have the decency to keep your archaic opinions to yourself.
Like I said before terrorist funders were allowed to openly march, LGBT people weren't - if that doesn't set alarm bells ringing I don't know what will.edit on 21-3-2014 by bastion because: (no reason given)edit on 21-3-2014 by bastion because: (no reason given)
Now, frankly, I really don't care if you like my opinions or not. I will still state them. They aren't "archaic", either, and are shared by the majority of the country. If that wasn't the case, a good 85%, roughly, wouldn't vote against the "gay marriage" issue. Archaic? No; that's simply a label you use to try and diminish the opposing point of view. It's a lame tactic.
Americans are becoming more accepting of gays and lesbians in politics. Around 7 in 10 now say they would vote for a well-qualified gay or lesbian American for president.
Sixty-nine percent reported in a recent NBC/WSJ poll that they personally know someone who is gay or lesbian. In 1992, 22 percent told interviewers that they had a friend or close acquaintance who was gay.
Americans continue to be divided over whether people are born gay or choose to be so. In November 2012, 45 percent told Gallup pollsters that being gay or lesbian is something you are born with. Thirty-six percent said it is due to factors such as upbringing and the environment.
In the latest Gallup poll, 53 percent say marriages between same-sex couples should be recognized by the law as valid, with the same rights as traditional marriages. Forty-six percent said they should not. Other more recent polls align with this finding.
Support for a federal constitutional amendment banning same-sex marriage is slipping. At the same time, a plurality of Americans told National Journal/United Technology pollsters that they would prefer if each state decided whether to permit or ban same-sex marriage, instead of constitutional amendments either permitting or prohibiting same sex-marriages at the national level.
In a March 2012 Public Religion Research Institute poll, 54 percent favored allowing gay and lesbian couples to adopt children.