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CURL: We overhauled U.S. health care — to insure 4.2 million people?

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posted on Mar, 17 2014 @ 02:05 PM
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Well with the March 31st "deadline" looming it looks like Obama.Care sign-ups are a wee bit low.

As they were selling the PPACA legislation, they kept telling everybody that something like 30 million or 40 million or 50 million people were without health insurance.

It seems now less than 5 million have (allegedly) been "added" as "insured".

Don't know if those "new" sign-ups are actually people who were uninsured or not.

All those cancellations of existing policies may represent some "new" sign-ups? (wash outs - break evens)

How long is this supposed to take anyway?



President Obama said it in August 2009: “I don’t have to explain to you that nearly 46 million Americans don’t have health insurance coverage today. In the wealthiest nation on Earth, 46 million of our fellow citizens have no coverage.”

He said it dozens more times, including in June 2013: “We are not a nation that accepts nearly 46 million uninsured men, women and children.”

The Obama administration pumped the number with official reports. The White House Council of Economic Advisers said, “Perhaps the most visible sign of the need for health care reform is the 46 million Americans currently without health insurance.” The Census Bureau got in on the act, too, saying some 48 million Americans lacked health insurance.




CURL: We overhauled U.S. health care — to insure 4.2 million people?


comparison site that tracks Obama.Care ....
ACASignups.net


Obama.Care.guv/hurryup/quick




posted on Mar, 17 2014 @ 02:06 PM
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I don't get it, how is a country with 17 TRILLION in debt (correct me if I am wrong), the richest nation in the world?



posted on Mar, 17 2014 @ 02:21 PM
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shappy
I don't get it, how is a country with 17 TRILLION in debt (correct me if I am wrong), the richest nation in the world?


I don't know !!!

Maybe it's the total resources combined with the high-tech "printing" methods.






posted on Mar, 17 2014 @ 02:28 PM
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shappy
I don't get it, how is a country with 17 TRILLION in debt (correct me if I am wrong), the richest nation in the world?




posted on Mar, 17 2014 @ 02:34 PM
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What do you people not understand about, "it's a start"? Seriously sick of this.



posted on Mar, 17 2014 @ 02:40 PM
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~Lucidity
What do you people not understand about, "it's a start"? Seriously sick of this.


If you think you are *sick of this*.

Imagine us, actually having to live it!

Des



posted on Mar, 17 2014 @ 02:56 PM
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we have one of the highest GDP's out there. yet major coorporations get out of paying taxes due to loopholes in the law.
in addition we had a tax-cut while two long, expensive wars were going on.
Then there are the bailouts....

ACA was dreamed up by a conservative think tank....
Passed through by the supposedly "progressive" democrats in congress..

I don't think the present-day democrats are "progressive" in the same way people like FDR or Lyndon Johnson were (at least in regards to social issues, Johnson dropped the ball when it came to Veitnam)... Rather they're progressive in only that they're not trying to appeal to an increasingly radically regressive/"conservative" voter base, and are thus progressive in comparison.

As far as what's actually going on/being attempted Obama is sort of a Jimmy Carter Mk.2 as far as public policy goes. Allowing oneself to bend and fold into basically not really doing anything at all, and basically being a pushover to lobbists. As far as military policy goes, he's basically doing nixon-esque-nonsense in regards to drone-operations.

Hopefully we'll have someone like George H.W. Bush again sometime soon, someone who will fix this big mess of incompetence despite it being basically political suicide (George HW Bush raised taxes to realistic levels after reganomics proved less-than-effective, no wonder he wasn't re-elected)



posted on Mar, 17 2014 @ 02:57 PM
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NonsensicalUserName
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we have one of the highest GDP's out there. yet major coorporations get out of paying taxes due to loopholes in the law.
in addition we had a tax-cut while two long, expensive wars were going on.
Then there are the bailouts....

ACA was dreamed up by a conservative think tank....
Passed through by the supposedly "progressive" democrats in congress..

I don't think the present-day democrats are "progressive" in the same way people like FDR or Lyndon Johnson were (at least in regards to social issues, Johnson dropped the ball when it came to Veitnam)... Rather they're progressive in only that they're not trying to appeal to an increasingly radically regressive/"conservative" voter base, and are thus progressive in comparison.

As far as what's actually going on/being attempted Obama is sort of a Jimmy Carter Mk.2 as far as public policy goes. Allowing oneself to bend and fold into basically not really doing anything at all, and basically being a pushover to lobbists. As far as military policy goes, he's basically doing nixon-esque-nonsense in regards to drone-operations.

Hopefully we'll have someone like George H.W. Bush again sometime soon, someone who will fix this big mess of incompetence despite it being basically political suicide (George HW Bush raised taxes to realistic levels after reganomics proved less-than-effective, no wonder he wasn't re-elected)


Last I read Us had 17 Trillion GDP, ironic, that that is the same value of the debt.



posted on Mar, 17 2014 @ 02:58 PM
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While i cant stand Obama and the rest of the liberals for various reasons i think most of america has been brainwashed into hating this thing and believing what every Tom dick and harry says about it. Until last month i felt the same way in fact im an anti establishment and anti government as it gets. I signed up last month and i dont understand what the hype is all about its fine its just like buying insurance from an insurance company except the loopholes where they weasel out of paying are gone. It needed to be done 3 years ago my wife and i had a baby in the waiting room of the hospital and never made it to the delivery room nor to a doctor and we left the next day. I got stuck with a 10000 dollar bill "my insurance company canceled my insurance on the same day" and they didn't do jack the health care system is as corrupt as the political system.


Instead of bitching for the last 5 years and trying to shore up the problems with the health care system opponents including i just pouted and put out so much disinformation that its plain ridiculous.



posted on Mar, 17 2014 @ 03:05 PM
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It does nothing to address the fundamental problem of health care costing more than it should. It insulates the very people you have been being screwed over by... as it siphons off those who had nothing to do with creating the problem in the first place.

The college tuition bubble is very related and gives a hint of what the future holds.



posted on Mar, 17 2014 @ 03:06 PM
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ErgoTheMirror
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It does nothing to address the fundamental problem of health care costing more than it should. It insulates the very people you have been being screwed over by... as it siphons off those who had nothing to do with creating the problem in the first place.

The college tuition bubble is very related and gives a hint of what the future holds.


I agree, America is fecked up big time.

Education here is free, so is health care... well, we all pay for it in taxes but its there for us.

Obviously we are doing it all wrong, but, then the converstation turns to anti-socalist and equating to communism (I blame the quality education there myself
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posted on Mar, 17 2014 @ 03:13 PM
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Don't confuse me with someone else. I'm free market at heart. Crony Capitalism is why health care costs what it does, and what causes those who only see the short hand of history to scream for socialism.

Here's the illusion: The socialism most people want doesn't require a single act of government.

The only thing the government knows to do with socialized programs is use them as weapons when they find themselves at odds with the very people they propose to be helping. Make it so nobody can afford an education without the government's help... and you now have complete control over the education of the population and can revoke it at any moment.

The social forces that ultimately turn on the people have absolutely NO problem waiting a couple of generations before showing the true face that is behind all the pretty pamphlets. Especially when times get hard and "control" needs to be maintained rather than real solutions explored.
edit on 17-3-2014 by ErgoTheMirror because: typos...



posted on Mar, 17 2014 @ 03:24 PM
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I am truly glad you have a good experience. I wish it was that good for everyone.
BOC (before Obama Care) I could get basic coverage for $150-$175 a month. (mid 40's good health)
Now, AOC, $325. Since we aren't on food stamps, no subsidies. Ask real people their opinion if you are interested.

This is fantastic for those with pre-existing conditions, but wouldn't it have been possible to find a way to help them without alienating the other 90% of the public? (please don't ask for citations on 90%, I pulled it out of my backside)



posted on Mar, 17 2014 @ 03:25 PM
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I'm curious, maybe some of you can help me.
What date is it, that they have to have X amount of people to make this functional?

And what happens to all those that have it, if it is not met?


I see a disaster coming, and more people getting hurt, than those that were not insured to begin with.



posted on Mar, 17 2014 @ 03:25 PM
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If Obama were to take money away from the billion dollar companies that pay less taxes than regular Americans and give it to those that actually pay taxes then we might be the richest country in the world .



posted on Mar, 17 2014 @ 03:31 PM
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~Lucidity
What do you people not understand about, "it's a start"? Seriously sick of this.


Some think "it's a start" equates to....

"the beginning of the end"



posted on Mar, 17 2014 @ 03:46 PM
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That's not factually accurate unless your netting over 70 80k a year. The fundamental problem is irresponsible people going to the emergency room without insurance and leaving the hospital to foot the bill. The hospital in turn has to raise the price of health care for everyone to cover the irresponsible ones. In addition, Torts are a a major problem in which fault republicans and dems for not stepping in and demanding it being a part of the bill to further help health care be sustainable.



posted on Mar, 17 2014 @ 03:51 PM
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You dont have to be on food stamps to get subsidies. Even people making 60k a year qualify for small subsidies. You are listening to disinformation or you checked it before the website has been fixed.

In addition if you make that much the payments you make toward healthcare are tax deductible if done correctly.



posted on Mar, 17 2014 @ 04:03 PM
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shappy
I don't get it, how is a country with 17 TRILLION in debt (correct me if I am wrong), the richest nation in the world?


Like I have said many a time,
if you want to know the truth from Obama, just reverse his words and then you will get the truth.



posted on Mar, 17 2014 @ 04:03 PM
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network dude
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I am truly glad you have a good experience. I wish it was that good for everyone.
BOC (before Obama Care) I could get basic coverage for $150-$175 a month. (mid 40's good health)
Now, AOC, $325. Since we aren't on food stamps, no subsidies. Ask real people their opinion if you are interested.

This is fantastic for those with pre-existing conditions, but wouldn't it have been possible to find a way to help them without alienating the other 90% of the public? (please don't ask for citations on 90%, I pulled it out of my backside)


If you were on food stamps you wouldn't qualify for Obamacare, you would get automatically enrolled in Medicaid. What is not being said is how many people that are enrolled of that 5 million are enrolled in the "free" medicaid portion. i would assume it is much more than half off the enrollees if not 90%. I can only afford it if i don't get sick.



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