Putin signs order to recognize Crimea as a sovereign independent state

jonnywhite
The wrong move is for Russia to get involved so obnoxiously. They should stand back. If Ukrainian police and military forces are implementing draconian anti-protest laws and shooting down pro-russia supporters in the southeast Ukraine (including Crimea) then Russia will have its excuse to intervene. What Russia is doing now is trampling on the sovereignty of Ukraine, not even giving it a chance to work out its divisions on its own. It's clear why Russia wants to do this: They want Crimea. Unfortunately, they'll pay dearly for their aggressiveness.

My prediction is Russia will vote not to annex Crimea, but will support Crimea being an independent state. This might allow them to dodge sanctions. Behind the scenes they will negotiate trade and military treaties. If unrest and protesting builds in Crimea, Russia will smuggle arms and funding into Crimea. If the violence continues to grow, Russia will find a way to intervene. They won't want the western powers winning in the Ukraine, so close to the heart of Russia.

edit on 17-3-2014 by jonnywhite because: (no reason given)

Russia will include Crimea as one of its republic. Not only that the 'annexation law' has already been passed by the Duma. It will apply to all 'near abroad' countries. Not that Russia all set to attack and annex but countries would keep Crimea episode in mind before messing with Russian people and interests.

Russia gave up communism, did not interfere in Central Europe, USSR even split into 15 republics, help US with all intelligence on Al Queda etc. What did it get in return? NATO expansion to the nose tip, contempt in all circles diplomatic, economic, military, western involvement in Checheya via Turkey, attack and plunder of Russian allies like Iraq, Libya, Syria, Serbia, forbidding Russian companies to sell arms to client states, looting of Russian industries via Jewish Oligarchs and other worldwide network.

Putin did not like that but Yeltsin left Russian treasury hollow and looted. It took 8-10 years to rebuild somewhat and now Russia is taking care of its interests and areas of strategic importance. Nothing wrong in that.

I would congratulate President Obama in not ratcheting up sanctions to further aggravate the relations and starting another Cold War.

Crimea is said and done. Ukraine needs to follow the path of Finland and NEVER EVER join NATO and so should other ex-republics.

Such moves and understandings will keep lots of peace in the world let alone Europe.

victor7

jonnywhite
The wrong move is for Russia to get involved so obnoxiously. They should stand back. If Ukrainian police and military forces are implementing draconian anti-protest laws and shooting down pro-russia supporters in the southeast Ukraine (including Crimea) then Russia will have its excuse to intervene. What Russia is doing now is trampling on the sovereignty of Ukraine, not even giving it a chance to work out its divisions on its own. It's clear why Russia wants to do this: They want Crimea. Unfortunately, they'll pay dearly for their aggressiveness.

My prediction is Russia will vote not to annex Crimea, but will support Crimea being an independent state. This might allow them to dodge sanctions. Behind the scenes they will negotiate trade and military treaties. If unrest and protesting builds in Crimea, Russia will smuggle arms and funding into Crimea. If the violence continues to grow, Russia will find a way to intervene. They won't want the western powers winning in the Ukraine, so close to the heart of Russia.

edit on 17-3-2014 by jonnywhite because: (no reason given)

Russia will include Crimea as one of its republic. Not only that the 'annexation law' has already been passed by the Duma. It will apply to all 'near abroad' countries. Not that Russia all set to attack and annex but countries would keep Crimea episode in mind before messing with Russian people and interests.

Russia gave up communism, did not interfere in Central Europe, USSR even split into 15 republics, help US with all intelligence on Al Queda etc. What did it get in return? NATO expansion to the nose tip, contempt in all circles diplomatic, economic, military, western involvement in Checheya via Turkey, attack and plunder of Russian allies like Iraq, Libya, Syria, Serbia, forbidding Russian companies to sell arms to client states, looting of Russian industries via Jewish Oligarchs and other worldwide network.

Putin did not like that but Yeltsin left Russian treasury hollow and looted. It took 8-10 years to rebuild somewhat and now Russia is taking care of its interests and areas of strategic importance. Nothing wrong in that.

I would congratulate President Obama in not ratcheting up sanctions to further aggravate the relations and starting another Cold War.

Crimea is said and done. Ukraine needs to follow the path of Finland and NEVER EVER join NATO and so should other ex-republics.

Such moves and understandings will keep lots of peace in the world let alone Europe.

If your country is neutral, the last thing you ever want to do is join NATO. You can kiss your neutrality good buy.

reply to post by shappy


I'm fully aware of that lol. I was trying to make a joke.

...Which obviously failed.

-SAP-

reply to post by simsumre


One Star - would have given more if pos', How can Europe plus the said Western world stand in full defence of a Bunch of Violent louts that took command and kicked out the then elected Government in Kiew / Ukraine, yet shout loud against an apparent full Democratic referendum as held in Crimea ????? Why was nothing said when Egypt did a 'U' turn ??? The whole thing is to say the least, Strange.............. Wait till Scotland decides to go solo, and what happened to the UK referendum ref' uk leaving Europe.......... Thought Democracy meant something these days,

shappy
Just like Kosov was.

Putin's way of saying thank you for Kosova.

I'm really starting to like Putin ,he really scares the crap out of Obama ..how can Putin take Obama seriously after his back track on Syria ..remember that red line Obama set ... well Putin has crossed it ...twice

all theses sanctions been put in place are toothless! all hard talk ,but in reality they do nothing

peace

zilebeliveunknown
Kosovo too was a part of a sovereign state.
Get your facts straight.

So nice. In the context of my post and your previous assertion, Kosovo and Crimea have no similarities. Serbia and Kosovo were in conflict and the situation was a continuation of the post Yugoslavia beak-up. There are no parallels with Crimea. Suggesting there are is bending the facts to fit a fiction and the type of parallel being used by Russia to justify their actions.

Regards

reply to post by victor7


You're right, except for the part about Obama not imposing sanctions:

Sanctions imposed on Crimean and Russian state officials - March 17, 2014

The American government chose diplomatic sanctions over economic sanctions (not like the USA has much economic ties to Russia than, say, the EU). The world could very well be on the verge of war, so the US bans top diplomats in the pretense of carrying out anti-democratic referendums... now that's an Orwellian justification if I've ever seen one. It's almost as if that is part of the plan.

Personally, I feel as if the American chickenhawk government is playing a very dangerous game that they have been playing for two decades now, but now their hubris is defining as they try to threaten a country that they will never be able to claim victory against. Russia is not the aggressor here, but they will obviously exploit the opportunity to crush whatever remaining legitimacy the USA still maintains in international affairs. Essentially the Americans turned the stove on but they won't know how hot it has become until they place their hand on the burner...

reply to post by paraphi

Serbia and Kosovo were in conflict and the situation was a continuation of the post Yugoslavia beak-up.

It has nothing to do with Yugoslavian break-up. Those were the republics within Yugoslavian federation who decided to secede.
Kosovo is the southern province in Serbia, an autonomous region with ethnic Albanians as a majority.

There are no parallels with Crimea.

It has every parallels with Crimea.
People of Crimea decided to join Russia to prevent Kiev's oppressive regime to harm them.