Did they find Gravity Waves?

This seems to be buzzing through the Physics community and could be evidence that supports Inflation. Here's more:

There is intense speculation among cosmologists that a US team is on the verge of confirming they have detected "primordial gravitational waves" – an echo of the big bang in which the universe came into existence 14bn years ago.

Rumours have been rife in the physics community about an announcement due on Monday from the Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics. If there is evidence for gravitational waves, it would be a landmark discovery that would change the face of cosmology and particle physics.

Gravitational waves are the last untested prediction of Albert Einstein's General Theory of Relativity. They are minuscule ripples in the fabric of the universe that carry energy across space, somewhat similar to waves crossing an ocean. Convincing evidence of their discovery would almost certainly lead to a Nobel prize.

This could be pretty big and could open up new forms of communication and inflation also predicts Pocket Universes.

For decades, cosmologists have thought that the signature of primordial gravitational waves could be imprinted on this radiation. "It's been called the Holy Grail of cosmology," says Peiris, "It would be a real major, major, major discovery."

Martin Hendry at the University of Glasgow works on several projects designed to directly detect gravitational waves. "If Bicep have made a detection," he says, "it's clear that this new window on the universe is really opening up."

According to theory, the primordial gravitational waves will tell us about the first, infinitessimal moment of the universe's history. Cosmologists believe that 10-34 seconds after the big bang (a decimal point followed by 33 zeros and a one) the universe was driven to expand hugely.

Known as inflation, the theory was dreamed up to explain why the universe is so remarkably uniform from place to place. But it has always lacked some credibility because no one can find a convincing physical explanation for why it happened.

www.theguardian.com...

We will know the answer today at 12:00 PM EST.

reply to post by neoholographic


Here is a better link : Sky and telescope

Not willing to speculate right now, but eagerly awaiting the findings

Does this prove the big bang? a little over my monkey brain this is lol.

reply to post by boymonkey74


As far as I know it will tell us alot about the expansion of the universe. which could lead to more knowledge about the "bang".

reply to post by neoholographic


There are at least two thread on this, but imnho, the more the merrier. Is the press conference going to be linked live somewhere?

reply to post by neoholographic


The first discovery should be what is creating gravity?? Einstein was still working on that mystery on his death bed. Don' get me wrong, we know every itty bit of it capabilities, we even have a proposed boson for it, but what really creates the phenomena is still unknown. These gravity waves detection is a hope of more confirmation of inflation of the universe happened (depending upon who says what) during some minute period of 10-43, 10-35, and now 10-34 of a second and lasting (unreal) exactly the same time period, with an unbelievable same energy density as in the beginning of the inflation. The inflation size also varies with the timing from the size of a proton, basketball, and now up to a galaxy. Don't worry about the 1st Law of Thermodynamics, they have a Higgs field creating all that needed energy. Why do we need an Inflation Era to begin with? A couple of reasons, one is to explain the current symmetry of the universe, one needs this quick expansion otherwise that tiny tip of a needle beginning would have ended up a one huge clump of matter. Of course if some intelligence was involved with the beginning, that need not be true. That's the second reason, current science wants NO intelligence, everything being just some random event happened.

I leave this with just something to ponder: Presume science with their reverse engineering and imagination, does uncover all the truths behind the beginning and the entire evolution processes, what would one think their next project would be? I'd bet they would create a universe themselves. Why not? Could they then say their new universe had no intelligence involved? It is also very, very possible we aren't living in the 1st one either, we could easily be living in someone else's creation.

reply to post by JerryG


I've mentioned this theory before: That gravity and time are the same thing. So I'd say that the moment in which gravity was created was the moment that time expanded.

my post on another thread:

So, gravitational waves it is. The Big Bang being proven must be the luck o' the Irish:

New York Times
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On Monday, Dr. Guth’s starship came in. Radio astronomers reported that they had seen the beginning of the Big Bang, and that his hypothesis, known undramatically as inflation, looked right.

Reaching back across 13.8 billion years to the first sliver of cosmic time with telescopes at the South Pole, a team of astronomers led by John M. Kovac of the Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics detected ripples in the fabric of space-time — so-called gravitational waves — the signature of a universe being wrenched violently apart when it was roughly a trillionth of a trillionth of a trillionth of a second old. They are the long-sought smoking-gun evidence of inflation, proof, Dr. Kovac and his colleagues say, that Dr. Guth was correct.

reply to post by Aleister


Yep, Gravity Waves found now it just needs to be replicated. Here's more:

For more than three decades, inflation, first proposed by Massachusetts Institute of Technology physicist Alan Guth, has been an attractive, but unproven theory for the rapid expansion of the early universe. Guth describes it as the “bang” of the Big Bang.

Inflation proposes that the initial expansion was caused by a repulsive form of gravity. The initial patch of the universe that underwent inflation would have been unbelievably small, about the billionth the size of a proton, and then expanded exponentially. It was proposed because simpler models of the Big Bang could not explain some features of the universe.

As Guth’s idea has been refined and developed further by other scientists over the years, its predictions seemed to be bearing out, but there was still no direct evidence for inflation and it was unclear whether the theory would ever have direct proof to bolster it. The energy needed to recreate the conditions in a particle accelerator were so high that it was unfeasible to think about recreating it. What inflation did predict, however, was a particular polarization pattern in the cosmic microwave background—the faint light that is the afterglow of the Big Bang.

Using a telescope called BICEP2 based at the South Pole, the Harvard-led team claims to have detected a polarization pattern in the faint light left over from the Big Bang that will, if confirmed by other experiments, be strong evidence in favor of inflation.

Guth said he learned the results when Kovac, the astrophysicist at the Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics, e-mailed him to tell him he had some urgent news. Kovac came to Guth’s office at MIT and disclosed the results last week.

“I was ecstatic,” said Guth. “I hope this will sort of put the nail in the coffin, and define inflation as being the theory.”

www.boston.com... 6r2MN3ID6XP/blog.html

reply to post by neoholographic


I wonder if this is getting minimal response here, and likely elsewhere, because people already think that the big bang and expansion had been proven, and have lived for many years believing so. Interesting. But this find still needs "confirmation", as the articles say, and maybe that'll take some more time. Exciting news, and quite historic.

reply to post by Aleister


I think this will be earth shattering within the scientific community especially if confirmed. I don't think a lot of people will get excited about it because it's not a popular topic like say the Holographic Universe. This will be huge if confirmed because what inflation says about the nature of reality and pocket universes. It could also be used for things like communication. Here's a patent that was filed back in 1998.

Communication system using gravitational waves
US 6300614 B1

Abstract

A method and apparatus for communication using gravitational waves is disclosed. The system utilizes a resonant frequency set up between identical masses to transmit information. The communication system uses two pieces of superconducting material, identical in size, mass and shape; means to modify the density of the first piece of superconducting material at a variable frequency; and detection means for sensing the effect of gravitational wave pulses on said second piece of superconducting material.

www.google.com...

There will be even more of these after this discovery.

reply to post by neoholographic

What they're saying is:

Big Bounce instead of Big Bang?

Gravity is a pulling AND pushing force?

That about the sum of it?

This could be huge, can't wait for the findings!!

Yep, Confirmed by Dutch media. (well, confirmed? it's a bit of a propaganda-newspaper....anyhoo......)
But the research needs to be done again to replicate the result. Awesome news this is!

I still believe it was never a bang, but more an inflation/deflation type of theory.

reply to post by neoholographic


Actually, this is the first indirect proof that we may actually exist in a multiverse, which is just as earth shattering as the holographic universe.

news.nationalgeographic.com...

No, they did not find gravitational waves. Haven't managed that so far.

Gravity waves are something else, a meteorological effect which is quite detectable, sailplane pilots love 'em for getting really, really high in.

What was found was secondary evidence of gravitational waves. Evidence which was was predicted to exist if the inflation theory of the Universe is correct.

Proof? No. But when observations match predictions it's pretty cool. No wonder the guys who did it are stoked.

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