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With 79% Turnout, Exit Polls Confirm 93% Voters Back Crimea Joining Russia

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posted on Mar, 18 2014 @ 11:01 AM
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Ukraine have already asked for our help and there have been emergency UN meetings.
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Correction....the persons who were responsible for overthrowing a democratically elected leader, contrary to international law, and the Ukrainian Constitution, have sought help from NATO/ US in legitimizing their illegal coup.



Russia signed the agreement saying they wouldnt do exactly what they are doing now, so they broke their promise, and we said that if they did what they are doing now, we would protect Ukraine, and we are not.



I'm sure when Russia signed the agreement they weren't expecting the western powers to finance an illegal coup in the Ukraine. Besides.....it is the Crimean people who have decided to re-join Russia...the Russians didn't decide it for them.

As for protecting the Ukraine....what is it they need protection from exactly? The Russians haven't fired a shot....nobody is being rounded up and imprisoned. Wheres the danger?




Both sides have gone back on their word and broken the agreement.


I disagree. Russia's hand was forced. The illegal coup, combined with the potential for violence to spiral out of control, made it necessary for the Russian's to step in and make sure the significant population of Russians in the Ukraine and Crimea were safe. Bear in mind what the first thing the Ultra-Nationalists did when they overthrew the government....was to ban the Russian language. The people were never going to stand for that....and rightly so.

The US has become exceedingly good at breaking their word with allies. Iran, Iraq, Egypt...ect. Today's ally is tomorrows axis of evil. Name one other country that Russia has broken a treaty with? No...the Ukraine doesn't count.




posted on Mar, 18 2014 @ 11:52 AM
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I wonder if Putin would allow Chechnya to hold a referendum to see if it wishes to secede from Russia.



posted on Mar, 18 2014 @ 01:54 PM
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123% This should be a new meme



posted on Mar, 18 2014 @ 02:02 PM
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I wonder if Putin would allow Chechnya to hold a referendum to see if it wishes to secede from Russia.


Perhaps under certain circumstances. I think the real question here is who's going to be next after Crimea? From what I'm reading their are other regions fervently wishing to rejoin with Russia.



posted on Mar, 18 2014 @ 02:11 PM
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What people don't realize, is that with Western forces messing in other's politics and with economic outlooks being at very low points all over, people will look for the strongest possible leadership for themselves. I think some are thinking they have a better chance economically rejoining with Russia than taking the risk of ending up like the Greeks.



posted on Mar, 18 2014 @ 02:23 PM
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knightrider078
I wonder if Putin would allow Chechnya to hold a referendum to see if it wishes to secede from Russia.


Crimea issue was "unresolved" during the 1991 break up of USSR.

Chechnya was nothing like hanging in between two countries, it has been part of Russia for hundreds of years also.

With that logic of referendum, we will soon have 5000 countries on earth and all sorts of chaos. That would include Texas and California breaking away too if they want to. Countries with populations of 2,000 people will soon be on the map. Nonsense !!

psst!! having nukes in the arsenal helps alot. Russia is not Serbia ;-)
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posted on Mar, 18 2014 @ 05:24 PM
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deadcalm
I disagree. Russia's hand was forced. The illegal coup,


well there's your problem - there was no illegal coup.

The President of Ukraine fled the country rather than sign the agreement from February 24 into law as Russia demanded.



posted on Mar, 18 2014 @ 05:55 PM
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buddy, watch this video link and decide for yourself if Yanukovich faced similar treatment before resigning

Watch MPs from far-right @vo_svoboda beat, humiliate a state TV-channel CEO, forced him to write a resignation letter

assault starts on vid at 4:40 minutes

www.pravda.com.ua...

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posted on Mar, 18 2014 @ 05:58 PM
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so you are saying that that somehow shows why the Ukrainian President fled to Russia rather than sign into law the Feb 24 agreement - the same agreement Russia shortly afterwards demanded be implemented??

How does that work??


Especially since it happened on Tuesday night - weeks after the President fled the country??

Here's the translation of the article from Ukrainian Pravda - you should also flick between Ukrainian and Russian as bits of the comments appear written in both.

As a couple of commenters put it:


Roman Shelest:
Freedom behaves very soft and tolerant, but now we need to show toughness and resolve all fascist accomplices Putin!


Those idiots at Liberty unwittingly become accomplices and Putin! Let eliminate themselves.

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posted on Mar, 18 2014 @ 06:02 PM
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stop splitting the hairs maaaaan!!

see how Svodboda and Right Sector MPs are acting. Yanuokovich fled to save his life. Russia has all along said Yanukovich is the legal president and they will not deal with anyone else !!

stop modifying the facts maaaaaann!! ............that's what raises the anger............and soon nukes are released !!



posted on Mar, 18 2014 @ 06:05 PM
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No, the bill was presented by the parliament to the president. When he refused to sign they performed a coup.

Viktor Fedorovych Yanukovych the President of Ukraine from February 2010 until February 2014 when he fled Kiev, and the Ukrainian parliament voted on 22 February to remove him from his post on the grounds that he was unable to fulfill his duties. The legislative removal lacked the required votes according to the constitution in effect at the time. Parliament set an election for 25 May to select his replacement and two days later issued a warrant for his arrest. Link

Wouldn't sign the bill, not enough votes to oust him, parliament sets elections to replace him and then tries to detain and arrest him. He ran to Russia for protection.



posted on Mar, 18 2014 @ 06:13 PM
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victor7
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stop splitting the hairs maaaaan!!

see how Svodboda and Right Sector MPs are acting. Yanuokovich fled to save his life. Russia has all along said Yanukovich is the legal president and they will not deal with anyone else !!


Actually Putin said he has no political future in Ukraine.

According to Yanukovich he did not actually flee Ukraine at all .....make up your mind!! :lol

But fled or not, he certainly left before he had signed the Feb 21th agreement - the Ukrainian Parliament had passed the required legislation and he had 24 hours to sign it....but he left the country - even his party in Parliament agreed to eth legislation - just not him!

And now somehow it is the Parliament's fault it wasn't implemented??


stop modifying the facts maaaaaann!! ............that's what raises the anger............and soon nukes are released !!


No facts were modified by me in pointing out the ignorance of the pro-Putin fascists.
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posted on Mar, 18 2014 @ 08:04 PM
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theabsolutetruth
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Exactly, it isn't any business of US or UK, they should back off.




Isn't that what the bully says to a vigilantly?

Sounds like you lot are protecting the bully to me

And for what reason?

Remember this isn't over and history will judge you


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posted on Mar, 18 2014 @ 08:14 PM
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victor7
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stop splitting the hairs maaaaan!!

see how Svodboda and Right Sector MPs are acting. Yanuokovich fled to save his life. Russia has all along said Yanukovich is the legal president and they will not deal with anyone else !!

stop modifying the facts maaaaaann!! ............that's what raises the anger............and soon nukes are released !!



Yanukovych fled because he tried to sell his countrymen out while having an affair with the Russians,if I was Ukrainian I'd head hunt the traitor too

You're forgetting like all other in here "A GOVERNMENT SERVES ITS PEOPLE" not the other way round so Russia is happy to steamroll across Ukraine because of one mans corruption? It's about what the people want, and Russia are willing to ignore them that how friendly they're and how much they care about Ukraine... It's about assets In There country simple,

Russia respects his wishes only because they paid for his wishes and voice to build closer ties in the East... hell even his own government kicked him out off office too, as they didn't agree with what he was paid to do

What a crook





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posted on Mar, 18 2014 @ 08:17 PM
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Remember this isn't over and history will judge you


Did you actually just play the "Neville Chamberlain card" on people who disagree with your stance?



Whew, OK...

The US and UK need to mind their own business and tend their own houses. We are in a mess domestically in case you haven't noticed.



posted on Mar, 18 2014 @ 08:23 PM
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Bassago
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Remember this isn't over and history will judge you


Did you actually just play the "Neville Chamberlain card" on people who disagree with your stance?



Whew, OK...

The US and UK need to mind their own business and tend their own houses. We are in a mess domestically in case you haven't noticed.


No the US and UK have an obligation to protect Ukraine in the event of an invasion under the Budapest treaty, but you already new that didn't you, maybe you should het some sleep

And so does NATO on its boarders for even more obvious reasons

So enjoy the show over the coming months won't you


Stay safe etc



posted on Mar, 18 2014 @ 08:32 PM
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EU was not giving any funds so Yanukovich had to turn to Russia, otherwise Uks economy would have defaulted on payments. Russia promised $15B in months and $3B was already paid in January.

Regarding the inflated comments on house, tennis court, zoo..........we see 1000s of such estates and ranches in rich communities. Nothing out of the ordinary and infact much those were low profile when it comes to presidential residences. Presidents host dignitaries from everywhere and they need good houses, gardens, tennis courts etc. I would not put the value of his residence and other things at more than $10M and these were property of the state to be occupied by other presidents later on.

If Yanukovich stole and sent away 100s or millions to overseas banks, then that is another story. He sure was corrupt dude but was democratically elected and had to be removed only by popular vote and the right time i.e. elections. Thugs do not walk in the throw a president out like that.

Why could Uks a country with 99% literacy rates in 1991, well developed industries and skills, very fertile soil etc. could not become even half way decent successful country after being independent for more than 20 years? Blame the whole country not one or two people. Blame the whole culture of corruption, inefficiencies, bad planning etc.

Don't blame Putin for all that. Blame game is a big part of third world culture.
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posted on Mar, 18 2014 @ 08:36 PM
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US or NATO have no obligation or guarantee to fight a war for Uks. I had posted info. on it somewhere on ATS other threads.

US/NATO can come under consultation regarding some issue Uks are having and can come to a decision. They are NOT obligated as they would be to a formal NATO member nation.



posted on Mar, 18 2014 @ 08:50 PM
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The voting preference of the people of Crimea isn't any business of the US or UK.

Did Russia claim a say when the US kicked the native Americans off their land?


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posted on Mar, 18 2014 @ 08:55 PM
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man you are working overtime. Do you really believe NATO will go in war with Russia?



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