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I wish we had a nice big fat shill emoticon. There problem half solved, the other half is getting them to stop swarming around and blocking good threads...
When I think somebody might be a shill I don't freak out in fear. The revelations from the Snowden doc. were quite telling and was a confirmation as to that fact.I found myself having to rethink some aspects as to responses I might give . This has actually helped me because I had to learn more about the logical fallacies that can be used .Sometimes the shill doesn't have to get you to agree with him .He may just be trying to create a division and want you to take either side of the same coin .When in fact there may be something to better invest out mind with . Right now it's the Putin good Putin bad divide .The Ukrainian Girls interview with Syrian Girl brings out a different story that really shows the divide that is being created by propaganda and is keeping the Ukrainian people on the side lines .
For me the process into the conspiracy world has gone through different stages from a measurable fear to one being able to think a little better then before .Having the shill present actually helps my learning process ....peace
I think it's inevitable. The real shills undoubtedly exist and they're not just going to come out and identify themselves. Everyone knows they're there. No one knows who they are. The best anyone can do is guess. The instinct when you suspect someone is to say something.
reply to post by Libertygal
So no, I don't need to PM you to get a clue.
And ... wah-la ... Now your other post makes perfect sense.
Thanks for clearing that up for me.
I cut my teeth in UseNet. If you don't know what I mean by this declaration PM me.
Never have I seen the paranoia so high in the conspiracy community.
I see the "s-word" being tossed around as a way to shut down debate. Don't like what somebody says? They must be a shill. Don't like their avatar? They must be a shill. Disagree with their take on politics or religion? They are shills. Don't like the color of their shirt? Must be a shill. See how that works?
It's the "circular firing squad" mentality, and nobody wins these kinds of battles
Because the ultimate victory for the bad guys isn't them oppressing us: It's them getting us to let our fear lead us into policing ourselves for them.
reply to post by DarksideOz
Everyone is responsible for their own behaviour, regardless of how someone else is acting. When everyone accepts responsibility for their own action, blaming someone else for "Starting it" or being angry, being wrong, being a jerk etc. etc. is never acceptable.
If we let someone else's behaviour excuse our own, we all sink to the basest behaviour of the worst person on this site.
The reason there are no "thumbs down" or "negative stars" on ATS is to encourage discourse with positive reinforcement alone.
Another prime example of this phenomena is our modern day Tea Party who seem to think that can retain any credibility whatsoever while simultaneously embracing every nut job politician in the country.
When you open your doors and embrace those who are undeniably bat-sh#t crazy, what you end up with is a scenario like the one played out in "One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest" where believability and credibility become virtues that you can only dream about.
...I have been a member of the quote-unquote "conspiracy theory world" for almost 25 years now, since back in the days when the Internet was still out of reach for most people, and all we had were kooky paperbacks, badly-photocopied 'zines, "alternative bookstores," and edgy coffee shops....
What I class shill-like behaviour is having a clear, one-sided argument that doesn't not change no matter what evidence, facts or even suggestions are made. This is usually a shill outing themselves as a shill. And that is one thing I have found in the past, a shill will always end up revealing themselves if you can remain patient enough and not sink to their level.
The hardest part is trying to work out if the person is just completely ignorant, or if that ignorance is actually an agenda.