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reply posted on 28-11-2004 @ 01:52 PM by SkepticOverlord
Originally posted by MaskedAvatar Quality is not some subjective thing. If it was, there would be no such thing as quality management programs or quality organizations - but there are, and they deliver, and they take accountability for what they do. Because they start with a belief that quality is important and it can be measured and it can be maintained and improved.
You're wrong. A TQM process is very different than the subjective nature of the content this board/community. While attributes of the principles of TQM have been applied (when possible) to the management of this board, it's impossible to apply the same thinking to the content of posts... content and management are two very different things. One person may think a post about Nordic aliens invading the south pole authored with IM-shorthand is of excellent quality, another (many others) would think not. Yet that thread's follow-up discussion can be managed with measurable quality, regardless of the subjective quality of the content. Perhaps you have other metrics beyond breadth, depth, and length of measurable traffic for the overall performance and quality of a website? If so, I'm all ears. In short, quality of content is subjective and relies on our members to create. Quality of management is measurable and relies on all staff (with some help from senior community members). In both cases, all available metrics point to a long-term trend where both content and management quality are above average.


reply posted on 29-11-2004 @ 01:19 PM by Voice_of Doom
Check out this quote from Thomas Crowne a "super" moderator directed at a member.

"Really, you piece of lying human excrement; civilian neighborhoods were the primary target of the U.S. Airforce? You'd better back that up with a source as that is a very serious charge, being they are animals and all. I'll wait for you to round up the source of that charge, as there are consequences to such an unsubstantiated charge.

Moku, I am aware that you are mentally challenged and very depraved, understanding little of truth and lie, and I am quite sure you beleve that words are nothing more than something for you to twist and wrp for your own need, but here's something for you to chew on: People aren't as dumb as you, and most aren't as vile as you. My knowledge of the atrocities commited by Turkey didn't come recently, I've known about it since I started at Sikorsky and talked to people who did aircraft work over there. Shoving people out of helicopters on a daily basis sounds a bit sick to me. That is only part of the insane acts, but that particular one strikes me as very offensive. However, you, being what you are, tried to twist what I said, and that was that one should be discerning when it comes to what information is given by what source. Elsewise one will either be fooled, or worse, one will intentionally prefer a lie over the truth - like you. You have them - lies, that is. For example, calling me a war-monger. I've served in the military, you little prick, and I have had the taste of a few bullets launched my way, you little evil coward, and I can tell you, I am no war monger. I don't want anyone to have to experience war, you stupid little puke. However, you spineless smelly turd, I don't like the thoughts of several thousand of my citizenfry getting blown up again, you frightfully odiferous cretin, so I realize that when someone declares war on you, you must kill or die. "


Nice. Still haven't seen any action from the staff on this one though. No U2U telling me the problem is being looked into...no warnings...no other moderators moving in to keep the thread on track...

Which is strange...considering I sent a member complaint. Must have fallen through the cracks. Maybe I'll send it again today...and maybe tommorow...and maybe the day after that too....


Pathetic.



There is no friend anywhere - Lao Tse

and spare me the "love it or leave" ATS rhetoric....



reply posted on 29-11-2004 @ 02:13 PM by Nygdan
Originally posted by Majic
inject off-topic noise, sloganeering, hatred, bigotry and propaganda into almost every thread and frankly, I have finally had enough.


but how can any of it be stopped? None of that violates any terms of service or standards. In fact, I have been warned on serveral occasions for refering to someone who calls for the extermination of a people, or implies that an entire race is inferior, a bigot and a pig. Now, I understand why ATS has to warn me or anyone in that situation, because one is making it an issue of the poster, rather than a greater issue that exists 'outside' the board. I don't feel comfortable with it, and I think that, if someone cannot back up their claims of racial/social/moral superiority, then they should be informed that they are not allowed to post it because 'one is not allowed to post information knowing it is false'.

That would be a huge jump for the board. For example, one can come to the board and say 'all muslims are inherently murderous, why, because of this section of the koran, yada yada yada' and then someone else can come along and point out that that person is either lying because of this section or because there is nothing that bounds a muslim to behave in such and such a way or because this section of the koran forbids that, or whatever. And then the poster doesn't get to walk around saying 'screw you, me hates muslims because muslims is bad'. IOW if you can't at least make a rational attempt at supporting your claims, you don't get to repeatedly harp on them.

You can of course try again. So, for example, you can't claim that 'red states' in the US are statisically stupider than blue states, at least not after that position has been refuted as its widely been done. But you could say, 'this new study demonstrates that reds are dumb' or some such.

And of course there are some positions that aren't open to refutation in the first place. For example one can post 'there is a civil war brewing in the US, over such and such issues, and I've generally gotten this impression from my overall take on the various news reports comming in from all over the place, because of this and that' and not necessarily be open to 'refutation'. Therefore you can still talk about it openly in other threads and whatnot. But one can't jump into a thread on islamic history and start yelling about 'muslims are required to kill all non muslims unless they convert' since its already been established that this isn't true.


it wouldn't be censorship per say, it'd just be a requirement to not 'abandon' threads that you don't like because you can't back up your statements, and then go somewhere else to start it all over again.
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