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Well, I think that US and Canadian medical could both do with some improvement.
US - way to expensive and forced upon us.
Canadian - Cheaper, but you get what you pay for, pretty poor!!
I know that US healthcare has been ruined by money and gov but Canadian Healthcare is pretty average at best and their price of medication makes up for cheaper healthcare.
Both have a long way to go!!
One thing Canada does better than everyone else is fudge and present false statistics on anything that could make them look bad. Lies from gov over there non stop!
And taking care of people is not stealing from me to give to someone else.
That is not caring for someone, because it is not caring about me, the one that has money removed from. It is truly the forgotten man played out in reality.
No, taking care of strangers yourself is the right thing to do. Making the government force strangers to take care of other strangers is an agenda.
Taking care of strangers is hard to do, simple because one rarely meets them.
Governments are responsible
forto all the citizens of the nation. The competition for that responsibility between corporations and politicians is based on greed alone.
imhoedit on 17/3/14 by masqua because: (no reason given)
Also you didn't answer my question about the "govt forced guarantee" you mentioned earlier.
Back to the main topic, I have to agree with the member who stated the smirk on the mouth of Sen. Burr is inappropriate from the start. And he has that same grin for every question, like he knows it's going to go his way so who cares about the facts.
reply to post by NavyDoc
A culture that is full of people that has no problem paying more in taxes to make sure that everyone, no matter their circumstances, gets the best healthcare available is a culture that cares more about his fellow man than a culture that sees such an act as a government imposition and a negative.
Obviously their is enough of a groundswell of compassion within America to at least attempt to make that happen.
The fact that the US Government completely screwed up pretty much every aspect of trying - and failing - to fulfill that desire is not those people's fault. The desire to help is valid.
But to come out and repudiate that cultural desire pretty much identifies a mentality that only cares about the welfare of others if it doesn't cost them anything or cause inconvenience.
And yet to repudiate someone with a different take on that identifies the mentality of someone who "cares" for others enough to spend other people's money. It is wrong and ignorant to call someone selfish simply because they do not believe in coerced charity. It is easy to be generous with someone else's money, time, and labor and I would saw that your reply to me is quite indicative of that mindset.
"Compassion" is an excuse that the statists in America want to use to enable government takeover of healthcare. "Compassion" to them means "I want free stuff."
The fact that you would have to be "coerced" into charity is a very telling statement.
As I mentioned above, the pride in universal health-care isn't that *I* get it, the pride is in the fact that "EVERYBODY" does.
You share the cost of roads, schools, defense, infrastructure...is it that big a stretch to include healthcare?
Doc, I know you're no dummy, so I suggest you really look into this. Do it from the point of "Why are Canadians so much happier with their health care than Americans?"
You feel that your healthcare is available to all but you've already seen the limitations. Great if you have a hangnail, really bad if you need an MRI or a new hip or have cancer or something new. The drugs and technology that your system uses, our system developes. You don't want socialized medicine in the US because then you stop the sourch of most of the world's innovation and your system would suffer from it as well. You need to keep one bastion of free market, competitive medical technology out there to keep that from being stifled by the morass of socialism. Governments don't innovate. Evil greedy "capitalists" innovate.
Well, actually that Canadian doctor was invited down to testify. More to the point...about that TV comment...does that include her statement that 45000 Americans die annually because they have no insurance?
I would really love to see the source of her stats.
I have yet to see anyone die, because they couldn't get treatment. That is the biggest farce out there.
I have seen hospitals go bankrupt because of this Govt forced guarantee.
Governments are not responsible to take care of your every need and neither are corporations. YOU are responsible to take care of your needs.
Why is their completion to provide a service "greedy" but a person's desire to have someone else pay for the service he/she consumes is "not greedy?"
reply to post by hounddoghowlie
that is for elective surguries not life threatening surguries. Canadian government does not cover alot of elective surguries because your healthe is not at risk so it is a waste of taxpayer money. Elective surgeries include plastic surgery, tummy tucks, stapped stomaches ect. do not spread false info. For a normal doctors apointment most people have a family doctor that they can make an apointment to see their doctor in just a day or twoo. Also there are emergency rooms and free clinics too. All for the price of $50 a month.
reply to post by macman
You have been giving money since the first time you paid taxes. Why not have that money actually benefit yourself and others?
But if you are happy with the current system, by all means, keep on trucking.
It seems that this is an issue of party affiliation rather than doing what is best for the country.
reply to post by hounddoghowlie
Wow that's cheap! I'm not on Ocare, but I've heard it's a lot more than that! So 40 million Canadians pay $50 a month? So Canada receives 200 million a year to cover all their costs? That's not much. They must have to cut corners somewhere. Do they also treat foreigners for free? Does healthcare costs eat up the govt budget or what?
Just trying to understand how it all works.
We pay a lot more than $50 a month.
It is a Federally Funded Mandate. Taxes. We pay for it via taxation. The Provinces run the Healthcare system themselves, but the funding comes from the Federal Government.
Some Provinces charge a monthly Health-Care-Premium on top of what they receive from the Feds., some provinces - like mine - don't charge healthcare premiums.
Non-citizens are responsible for the costs of their treatment. Typically via their own insurance, or in the case of the UK, the NHS pays for it.
But the doctors and the hospital are not part of that process. After you are treated, you deal with the province.