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NavyDoc
Leonidas
NavyDoc
masqua
NavyDoc
Someone who wants to keep what they ear to take acre of themselves and their family or someone who didn't earn it want to take that to take care of someone else. I'm surprised that someone who believes in freedom likes to take from his neighbor.
Are you willing to pay taxes for the US military so that Americans can stay free or do you think it better that every American should be personally responsible?
Or not...?
"Provide for the common defense" is a specifically enumerated duty of the federal government. Taking care of all your wants and needs is not.
Do you think you should be personally responsible for keeping a roof over your head, food in your stomach, clothes on your back or do you think that is the duty of the state as well?
Who said anything about "All your wants and needs"?
We are talking about the essence of human existence. Life. Health.
How do you make the jump from sharing healthcare costs to "All your wants and needs"?
Nobody here is talking about that and no reasonable person in Canada or America would consider that for a second.
Healthcare, just healthcare. Medical needs for you and your family. Full stop.
That's what you are suggesting with this philosophy. Is not food the essence of life? Clothing? Why should the government not provide that for all as well? Why should you be forced by greedy capitalists to provide your own food and shelter as you have a right to those?
Leonidas
NavyDoc
Leonidas
NavyDoc
masqua
NavyDoc
Someone who wants to keep what they ear to take acre of themselves and their family or someone who didn't earn it want to take that to take care of someone else. I'm surprised that someone who believes in freedom likes to take from his neighbor.
Are you willing to pay taxes for the US military so that Americans can stay free or do you think it better that every American should be personally responsible?
Or not...?
"Provide for the common defense" is a specifically enumerated duty of the federal government. Taking care of all your wants and needs is not.
Do you think you should be personally responsible for keeping a roof over your head, food in your stomach, clothes on your back or do you think that is the duty of the state as well?
Who said anything about "All your wants and needs"?
We are talking about the essence of human existence. Life. Health.
How do you make the jump from sharing healthcare costs to "All your wants and needs"?
Nobody here is talking about that and no reasonable person in Canada or America would consider that for a second.
Healthcare, just healthcare. Medical needs for you and your family. Full stop.
That's what you are suggesting with this philosophy. Is not food the essence of life? Clothing? Why should the government not provide that for all as well? Why should you be forced by greedy capitalists to provide your own food and shelter as you have a right to those?
No. No, I'm not suggesting anything. I am explicitly only talking about healthcare. Period. Only healthcare. That's it.
No Philosophy, no greater concepts, none of that. You keep bringing up those things.
And Healthcare isn't free, we all pay into Healthcare via taxes. The "Government" paying for Healthcare is actually US paying for Healthcare.
Nothing more. Healthcare.
NavyDoc
Leonidas
NavyDoc
Leonidas
NavyDoc
masqua
NavyDoc
Someone who wants to keep what they ear to take acre of themselves and their family or someone who didn't earn it want to take that to take care of someone else. I'm surprised that someone who believes in freedom likes to take from his neighbor.
Are you willing to pay taxes for the US military so that Americans can stay free or do you think it better that every American should be personally responsible?
Or not...?
"Provide for the common defense" is a specifically enumerated duty of the federal government. Taking care of all your wants and needs is not.
Do you think you should be personally responsible for keeping a roof over your head, food in your stomach, clothes on your back or do you think that is the duty of the state as well?
Who said anything about "All your wants and needs"?
We are talking about the essence of human existence. Life. Health.
How do you make the jump from sharing healthcare costs to "All your wants and needs"?
Nobody here is talking about that and no reasonable person in Canada or America would consider that for a second.
Healthcare, just healthcare. Medical needs for you and your family. Full stop.
That's what you are suggesting with this philosophy. Is not food the essence of life? Clothing? Why should the government not provide that for all as well? Why should you be forced by greedy capitalists to provide your own food and shelter as you have a right to those?
No. No, I'm not suggesting anything. I am explicitly only talking about healthcare. Period. Only healthcare. That's it.
No Philosophy, no greater concepts, none of that. You keep bringing up those things.
And Healthcare isn't free, we all pay into Healthcare via taxes. The "Government" paying for Healthcare is actually US paying for Healthcare.
Nothing more. Healthcare.
But that is disingenuous to be talking about rights and compassion and so forth for your fellow man on JUST ONE subject. Are you telling me that you are only compassionate where healthcare is covered but #-'em on other things?
Leonidas
- I don't know the details of how it passed, but how can a democratically elected government put something into law without the support of the majority of representatives agreeing to it? It certainly seems like you have a legitimate concern if this system was put in place without the votes in Congress and the Senate to support it. I would be pissed off too.
Leonidas
- I am still not clear on why it is okay to fund the Defense budget with tax dollars, but not healthcare. The Defense budget pays for men and materiel for the benefit of everybody. Healthcare is for the benefit of everybody too.
edit on 17-3-2014 by Leonidas because: (no reason given)
Leonidas
NavyDoc
Leonidas
NavyDoc
Leonidas
NavyDoc
masqua
NavyDoc
Someone who wants to keep what they ear to take acre of themselves and their family or someone who didn't earn it want to take that to take care of someone else. I'm surprised that someone who believes in freedom likes to take from his neighbor.
Are you willing to pay taxes for the US military so that Americans can stay free or do you think it better that every American should be personally responsible?
Or not...?
"Provide for the common defense" is a specifically enumerated duty of the federal government. Taking care of all your wants and needs is not.
Do you think you should be personally responsible for keeping a roof over your head, food in your stomach, clothes on your back or do you think that is the duty of the state as well?
Who said anything about "All your wants and needs"?
We are talking about the essence of human existence. Life. Health.
How do you make the jump from sharing healthcare costs to "All your wants and needs"?
Nobody here is talking about that and no reasonable person in Canada or America would consider that for a second.
Healthcare, just healthcare. Medical needs for you and your family. Full stop.
That's what you are suggesting with this philosophy. Is not food the essence of life? Clothing? Why should the government not provide that for all as well? Why should you be forced by greedy capitalists to provide your own food and shelter as you have a right to those?
No. No, I'm not suggesting anything. I am explicitly only talking about healthcare. Period. Only healthcare. That's it.
No Philosophy, no greater concepts, none of that. You keep bringing up those things.
And Healthcare isn't free, we all pay into Healthcare via taxes. The "Government" paying for Healthcare is actually US paying for Healthcare.
Nothing more. Healthcare.
But that is disingenuous to be talking about rights and compassion and so forth for your fellow man on JUST ONE subject. Are you telling me that you are only compassionate where healthcare is covered but #-'em on other things?
How is being consistent in my desire to make sure my fellow citizens have the best healthcare possible, and they wont risk losing their home, business and savings to save the life of a child or themselves being disingenuous?
Well, I guess I am a horrible person then. But at least I want to make sure everyone has healthcare. What does it say about a man that doesn't even want to do that?
edit on 17-3-2014 by Leonidas because: (no reason given)
intelligenthoodlum33
"Government is instituted for the common good; for the protection, safety, prosperity, and happiness of the people." -John Adams 1776
intelligenthoodlum33
Don't worry. I can see you are not happy.
Monger
reply to post by macman
Durn right good buddy! The gubbment is there to provide HOT LEAD DOWN RANGE AT MUSLIMS! And to write tax loopholes into legislation big enough to guide your average American through.
RA RA RA RA! Government dollars should be spent to kill poor people, not to prevent them from dying!
macman
With having 1/4 of my earnings taken from me, you are damn right I'm not happy. Especially since not only am I told by people like you that I should be "happy" with that, but that I should be paying more.
macman
reply to post by thov420
www.salon.com...
Salon of all places has a decent explanation of the law in question.
It is a law stating that US hospitals must treat anyone that comes in through the doors, regardless of their ability to pay.
It has put numerous hospitals into bankruptcy.
peck420
macman
With having 1/4 of my earnings taken from me, you are damn right I'm not happy. Especially since not only am I told by people like you that I should be "happy" with that, but that I should be paying more.
Then you are really not going to be happy in the very near future.
Universal health care is the 'cheaper' option...short term and long...
Leonidas
macman
reply to post by thov420
www.salon.com...
Salon of all places has a decent explanation of the law in question.
It is a law stating that US hospitals must treat anyone that comes in through the doors, regardless of their ability to pay.
It has put numerous hospitals into bankruptcy.
I don't think you understand how bizarre Canadians find the concept of a "bankrupt hospital" in a civilized country.edit on 17-3-2014 by Leonidas because: (no reason given)
NavyDoc
Actually, it is the more expensive option overall, just "cheaper" for the consumer in direct out of pocket costs. Less efficient and less innovative too.
There is no perfect system. However, it would hurt medical care worldwide if every nation had the same, governmental system, because the majority of innovation comes from competitive, free market systems.
peck420
The rest of the world disagrees...and every economic institution...
NavyDoc
There is no perfect system. However, it would hurt medical care worldwide if every nation had the same, governmental system, because the majority of innovation comes from competitive, free market systems.
peck420
NavyDoc
Actually, it is the more expensive option overall, just "cheaper" for the consumer in direct out of pocket costs. Less efficient and less innovative too.
The rest of the world disagrees...and every economic institution...
There is no perfect system. However, it would hurt medical care worldwide if every nation had the same, governmental system, because the majority of innovation comes from competitive, free market systems.
That completely explains why private funding continues to fall while public funding (all in regards to medical R&D) continues to rise...and has been since 60's...