Malaysia Airlines plane Flight MH370 missing: New hostage theory

I believe the plane flew up to the northern part of the coast of Vietnam then turn northeast and flew out into the Pacific.

There is a lot of ocean out there and if crashed off shipping lanes it would be very hard to find.

I believe the plane was hijacked and it was planned to make it very hard to ever find the crash site.

The fake passports were part of the plan as the governments would always believe the plane was hijacked but would never be found.

Unsolved loss of a plane full of people.

reply to post by daaskapital


great thread!

Does anyone have any idea how the planes transponder could be turned off?

it seems that it'd be awfully difficult process and not just flicking a switch. I guess I just assumed that a safety feature as important as that would be impossible to turn off on board the aircraft and was perhaps externally shut down from 'mission control'...

Any thoughts?

Well I know many here don't listen to what MSM has to say, but this morning ...... maybe yesterday morning ... on the Today show they had a flight simulator on there .... anyway it didn't look too hard to turn off the transponder. The guy doing the story said he probably just flicked this switch..... not his exact words but the same meaning ! LOL

If the people on board this flight were taken hostage, who were they taken hostage by? I just don't think having an aircraft as big as this with as many people on-board would be an easy thing to do, for any country. Why hasn't anybody come out and made demands? This is that part that gets me it's been a week since they "vanished" why has no one come out and said we have these people blah blah blah we want blah blah blah? With as many people from as many nations searching for this plane I think we would have heard this by now.

AthlonSavage
Will anyone be surprised if they turn up in North Korea?

Well I would be, since I believe it is out of range of the aircraft. It could not make it there on it's own power without mid-air refueling or some other James Bondian trick..

reply to post by AthlonSavage


i'm fairly surprised that you came up with this theory

so many theories that 'fingerpoints' at mid-easterners, blacks, and chinamen.
no one think of NK.

but anyway i'm opting for the probability of it being an accident (hopefully with successful emergency landing attempt and survivors).
i can imagine the worst would happen to the passengers if it ends up as hijack scenario (torture, beheading, etc are the worst possible events could happen to them)

peace

Zaphod58
reply to post by Bilk22

 

Am I typing in a foreign language or something here?

Let me make it bigger to be sure.

I NEVER SAID IT WOULDN'T BE SEEN ON RADAR IF IT KEPT FLYING. Is that clear enough?

Identifying it would take time. There was no way to identify the flight in real time but when the investigators went back and looked they could eventually identify it based on where it came from, altitude, speed, etc.

We know there was a total electrical failure? Since when? There are a number of reasons to lose the transponder without losing power.

edit on 3/13/2014 by Zaphod58 because: (no reason given)

Well then why did you argue the point with me in the other thread, claiming it would be impossible for them to get to Nanming unseen? It seems you changed your opinion on that subject. You still have not explained anything about what you feel might have happened other than it had a catastrophic failure and now it flew for four more hours and no one knows where because it takes time to look at radar records. Very good.

So they've had plenty of time to look. What say yea?

Edit: Expert pilots have said this plane flies itself. No waypoint turning. It could get to Beijing with the pilots asleep. Have better info on that?

reply to post by Zaphod58


Then someone needs to do some cyphering...look at a map..account for avioding various radars, low altitude and the estimated fuel and somewhere in those parameters is the plane - whether that means in the sea or a remote landing strip

I'm really intrigued by all the theories and have to admit I kinda, sorta lean toward the landing in China theory. Maybe it's just hope that those folks are still alive....but it was also the first report so it has stuck in my mind. What I can't seem to find via Google is whether or not Nanming has an airport that would allow this plane to land. There is an international airport in the general vicinity apparently so I'd guess it could have landed there but it's just a wild guess from what I think I saw on wiki. Of course I didn't see anything about a military airport there so I still have many questions about the possibilities.
I did a bit of research about terrorist attacks where those responsible didn't take responsibility. According to an article I found upon searching for instances of "unclaimed" terror attacks, only a relative few attacks are actually claimed by the perps. (www.slate.com...) I hope that site is an acceptable link, if not Mods please remove.

"If the disappearance of Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 on Saturday was an act of terrorism, the perpetrators remain unknown. Authorities have dismissed the only claim of responsibility: an email from an obscure group called the Chinese Martyrs’ Brigade. How many acts of terrorism go unclaimed?
Most of them. Credible perpetrators claimed responsibility for only 14 percent of the more than 45,000 terrorist acts that have occurred since 1998, according to the University of Maryland’s Global Terrorism Database. (The database defines terrorism as “the threatened or actual use of illegal force and violence by a nonstate actor to attain a political, economic, religious, or social goal through fear, coercion, or intimidation.”) Even the majority of attacks on airports and airplanes appear to have gone unclaimed."

Would it have been possible that the plane dropped below radar (after the transponders were turned off) and flew there until it got to Chinese air space then landed as planned by the hijackers? I understand that flying under the radar is more difficult and would require more fuel but it appears that they would have had the fuel to get there even under the radar.
Yes, this "landing in Nanming" theory pretty much seems to require the pilots to be in on the scheme---unless there were more faked passports on the plane than we've been told about---which wouldn't really surprise me at this point. Who would be surprised by anything at this point?
I'm just dazed by all the possibilities. So I'm doing my best to hold onto good thoughts but after all this time it's getting hard to imagine a happy ending to this incident.

reply to post by diggindirt


The one thing I found "weird" was Vietnams initial statement. They made it a point to state the plane was about 30 - 60 seconds away from entering Vietnams airspace.

China and Vietnam have fought wars against each other in the past and have overlapping claims on resources in the area.


The other issue I noticed, and I pointed this out in the Crimea thread, is the uncanny ability for something to happen, and when the US responds, something else pops up in another part of the world. This search is now tying up one of our aircraft carriers.

Also, a us military officer was asked about China's satellite footage of the 3 objects. His response was "its a red herring".

reply to post by Bilk22


I'll see if I cannot work out a plausible theory.

reply to post by Bilk22


Now I have to believe you are either being deliberately obtuse or trolling.

You:

Plane flew to China.

Me:

WHEN THEY GO BACK AND LOOK AT THE RADAR DATA they will see a plane with no transponder coming from the area this one went missing in.

I never once said that it would not be seen on radar either time.

As for autopilot pilots have said that about it for years.

People should be looking at Diego Garcia.

Additionally, any video recorded by friends, family and/or plane spotters of the aircraft taking off may also be of interest.

Zaphod58
reply to post by Bilk22

 

Now I have to believe you are either being deliberately obtuse or trolling.

You:

Plane flew to China.

Me:

WHEN THEY GO BACK AND LOOK AT THE RADAR DATA they will see a plane with no transponder coming from the area this one went missing in.

I never once said that it would not be seen on radar either time.

As for autopilot pilots have said that about it for years.

Yeah the plane flew to China as intended and as the flight plan was filed with all concerned. It just never made it to Beijing. It's why the radar was and still is a non-issue.

reply to post by Bilk22


Of course. Because, yet again, they have the perfect plan (down to getting 10 countries to spend millions on a fruitless search), but are so incompetent that anonymous posters on a message board can figure out every detail.

And with that, I'm done. Don't hurt your arm patting yourself on the back.

reply to post by Kalixi


One of CNN's reporters was in a 777 flight simulator just now in Ontario, and the trainer showed how to turn off the transponder. Three clicks to the left on a dial that's on a panel to the pilot's right. He said it's designed to be easy and that it's normal procedure to turn off once they land and begin taxiing to their gate.

reply to post by Zaphod58


You know, your getting angry... don't.

There are so many things I never thought possible, yet I witnessed them happening. I used to think nothing would make Americans give up their rights, I figured if anyone tried to take their rights away that would start a civil war... yet, I sat and watched Americans hand over every single right they had darn near. Freely...

Sometimes, what we think of as impossible ends up being very possible...

In this case, everything else is being looked at, everything... so why not look at China? What makes people so defensive about it that China is out of the realm of the possible?

Maybe we don't have every detail worked out, which we should delve into farther to throw out some possibilities and debate them to determine their probability...But at this point, maybe it would be wrong of us to overlook this completely.

Just my opinion here, and maybe its crazy... but hell... the media and officials everywhere are delving into every crazy theory out there... so why not this one too? China is not untouchable, and they are far from having the cleanest hands...

So now we ask ourselves, what could make a man not see anything on his radar screen?

reply to post by OpinionatedB


I totally agree, we shouldn't rule anything out.

I dont think China are likely to be behind it though. The majority of the passengers were Chinese and I cant think why they would want to steal a 777. In terms of an independant party taking it and landing it in China, I think Chinese Mil radar would see them before they made landfall and China doesnt strike me as a country that would tolerate that sort of thing anyway. Plus the amount of planespotters around the world that hang out at airports\ airbases, if 370 had landed anywhere on the mainland it would have been seen by someone i'd have thought. They would have to have landed it somewhere pretty remote I reckon.

Like you said though anythings possible

reply to post by Reaper62


I don't think it was about stealing the plane. If it was hijacked, the passengers are what is important, they are your bargaining chips. No one wants to be responsible for the death of that many people, from many countries...

There is something else to consider:

On 4 October 2001, a secret arrangement was made in Brussels, by all members of NATO. Lord George Robertson, British defense secretary and later NATO’s secretary-general, will later explain NATO members agree to provide “blanket overflight clearances for the United States and other allies’ aircraft for military flights related to operations against terrorism" Source

Therefore, it is possible that the Chinese could have sent fighters in to escort the plane somewhere, and governments would be willing to pay to keep this hijacking very quiet and out of the media in case they do mess negotiations up and people die. Also, it might be worth a lot to keep other countries OUT of negotiations.. for many reasons.

I don't believe money was the reason for hijacking - if that was the case... I believe it would have been something much more valuable than that.

And that pilot, was one of the best and most knowledgeable. He used to practice with a flight simulator of the plane that he had set up at home even... a LOT. Source:

reply to post by OpinionatedB


For sure, but then what do you do with the civillians on board? You would have to dispose of them because you wouldnt be able to let them go if that happened. Plus how would you control all the passengers?

And say the US or someone did just want the aircraft for another use, they could concievably have taken it to Car Nikobar or somewhere. But in that event the pilots would have to be in on it for the plan to work. There are a lot of things that seem to point to the possibility it was nicked.

I still think it crashed tho tbh

Reaper62
reply to post by OpinionatedB

 

For sure, but then what do you do with the civillians on board? You would have to dispose of them because you wouldnt be able to let them go if that happened. Plus how would you control all the passengers?

And say the US or someone did just want the aircraft for another use, they could concievably have taken it to Car Nikobar or somewhere. But in that event the pilots would have to be in on it for the plan to work. There are a lot of things that seem to point to the possibility it was nicked.

I still think it crashed tho tbh

Crashed is most likely... there is nothing else to say on that point... it IS the most likely scenario.

As far as the civilians, yes you can let them go even if you are trying to keep it out of the media and international spotlight for a time, you can say later "Hey look! We saved all these people!"

And of course people who take hostages do let people go... it does happen when things are resolved to their satisfaction, or if it seems they will loose and letting people go will make their dismal future a bit better for them...or when they think it will get them more of what they want...

It happens.

As far as the pilots, you can threaten a mans family and get them to do what you need... fear is a strong motivator, especially when its not fear for self but fear for others.