Obama says: If Obamacare’s Too Expensive, Cancel Cable, Cell Phone

jimmyx

Wrabbit2000
reply to post by jimmyx

 

As a cost he must pay, by force of law, without any options and for the very right to simply live in this nation? Yes. It's absolutely too much.

Although, to my thinking? $1 is too much under those circumstances and we're still dealing with the very first absolute cost to be an American resident our nation has seen in it's history. There are many of us who are not and likely will never be able to accept that. However good the cause it's for or whatever the basis for it's existence. It's an absolute tax to live as it stands now. Little else, for many in benefit, but it is that for all in cost.

however good the cause is?....you're kidding right?...how about, I don't want to be charged more for my healthcare, because some dumbass has to go into the hospital, and can't pay his own way (that little thing called taking responsibility) because he refused to get covered, even though he has job...we have enough people that don't have any income already coming into the hospital, and you want to add more?....where do you think this money comes from for the hospital stay?....a money tree?...piles of cash dropping out of the sky?

so because someone might not be able to afford something, they're a dumbass now?

holy christ....that's very telling. you should just give up now, before you make yourself look any more foolish and without compassion...

ElohimJD

acmpnsfal
reply to post by xuenchen

 

I don't see how this is targeting the poor, they get subsidies on their health insurance. Someone making 36,000 a year would be considered middle class, 300 month for three people is a very fair price. I pay half that, make less, and thats with my employers contribution. I would have no problem paying that amount if I was pulling in what the person asking the question was, not to mention, Obama probably is right about budgeting. If you pay for a bunch of status symbols instead of keeping up with your health your priorities are out of order. I wonder how these people would fare if health care was taken directly out of their paychecks or in other taxes like in first world countries with universal health care. I guess they would all be bankrupt.

edit on 12-3-2014 by acmpnsfal because: (no reason given)

I make 30,000/year (2,500/month) with a newborn at home (family of 3). I am lower middle class, and do not qualify for federal assistance. I work at an office that offers what the government labels "affordable healthcare" but the price for my work insurance for my family is 550.00/month (20% of my income before taxes)!

If my office did not offer "affordable healthcare" I would have qualified for a 215.00/month (less than 10% of my income before taxes) Obamacare policy. But because my employer offers something labeled "affordable" (though at 20% it is not affordable); I must either pay my employer rate, or pay the full cost of the insurance policy out of pocket!

I decided to sign up with a private Kaiser policy paying the full cost out of pocket (450.00/month), because it was still cheaper then my "affordable healthcare" policy offered by my employer.

I had to move my family into my mother's basement and use her cable/internet in order to cuts the cost of Obamacare's impact on my family. Taking dollars out of my landlord's and cable companies pocket and giving it to Health Insurance companies. A service I have not used in 12 years (not been to the hospital or had any medical procedure performed in 12 years); without my choice.

This whole process is ridiculous. I wish my employer offered no healthcare policy, at least then we could all qualify for Uncle Sam to pay other peoples tax dollars to cover the cost of my policy. Because that is what this is, either you pay 450-750/month for your "affordable" insurance policy (though employer or private), or you take American tax dollars away from the working class to cover the costs I am unable to cover due to low income.

The only way people are paying what has been advertised as the "affordable" prices (50/month for single adult; 200/month for family) is if your employer does not offer healthcare labeled as "affordable". If every employer decided to stop offering health care, so their employees can qualify for the "affordable healthcare" policies advertised; there would not enough taxes to cover the governments portion of the bill. So they punish the businesses for not offering "affordable healthcare" bby taxing them to make up the difference.

No matter what, someone will be paying this bill, at the price of 450-750/month whether it is all you (450/month in my case); all your employer/contributions labeled as "affordable" (550/month in my case); or a combination of my money and government credits/tax dollars (215/month from me + 320/month from other peoples tax revenue).

The funny thing is the price that is best for me (215/month) is the worst for the government as a whole and the global economic situation in general. Tragic, this whole ordeal simply results in siphoning disposable income from Americans and funneling it into the Health Insurance Companies, which I may or may not ever use then telling me how great an idea it was...

God Bless,

harry reid says you're a liar....

2nd line

neo96
reply to post by MystikMushroom

 

That program started in the 80's, not under Obama.

Hmmmm.

Guess she must be 'misinformed' then.

she was....

then she was shown what he was really all about. she changed her tune real quick..

jimmyx
he's not my hero, the messiah, or any other made-up right-wing name, he's the president of the United States......here's the ACA, read it yourself, it might clear up some delusional thinking spewed out by the right-wing media.
www.apha.org...

hahahaha, you're a real piece of work, you know that?

read the bill? if the idiots in washington had read it, it would never have passed..

we don't NEED to read it....they passed it, and now we're seeing what's in it....

Skyfloating

oblvion


Just to be clear here, you believe health insurance equals actual "health" for the public at large?

No. I`m seeing the point he was making every day in real life. The American "poor" walking around with i-phones, having cable-TV and all sorts of luxuries and then complaining about how expensive healthcare is.

But on another note: Why does a mere opinion and remark spark nationwide outrage these days? I think people are putting too much into it. There are FAR more important things Obama should be criticized on...such as wussing out in the Ukraine, in Syria and every other geostrategic platform.

yes, because issues that are none of our goddamn business are SO much more important than a disastrous piece of legislation, that screws real americans every day.....the president advocates we lower our standard of living even further, to support this nonsense, and that's ok, but he doesn't wanna kick off a war with the russians, and that's a bad thing?

talk about skewed priorities....holy flaming jesus on a shutter....

Iamnotadoctor

Auricom
reply to post by xuenchen

 

Isn't it supposed to be the "affordable healthcare act"?

Sheesh, if this is affordable in his opinion I'd hate to see what isn't!

Clearly his quite logical point sailed right over your ignorant head.
Something as important as healthcare certainly does become affordable when you prioritise, and stop buying alcohol every day, stop buying a new iphone every year, stop buying cigarettes, stop buying xboxes, stop buying junk food, etc....
Did you really need it spelled out for you?

so then what you are saying is that we should all work, pay the IRS, pay exorbitant amounts of money for a plan that may not cover everything we need, covers things we don't need, and that we might not even be able to really use, have no luxury items, and basically just devote all of our time, effort, and money to our jobs and subsidizing the federal government?

we should be the facilitators of "the state", and have that be our only purpose?

that's not living, that's simply existing....

honestly, how in the hell can you write that with a straight face? what you've written is one of the most dangerously idiotic things i've read, in recent memory...

i'm not advocating excess, but last time i checked they work for us, not the other way around..

Iamnotadoctor
reply to post by Realtruth

 

You'd be surprised how much money you have left over if you stop buying useless crap you don't need.
It's not hundreds of dollars saved in a year, it's thousands. FACT.

but the moment you allow the government dictate how you spend YOUR money, you've ceased being free...

how do you not see this?

Wait, so pointing out the obvious that your health is more important than a tracking device (phone) or the indoctrination programs (cable) is a bad thing?

Isn't the idea of not being able to be traced, not being brainwashed and having health insurance a good thing for the folks who sit on the right?

You'd prefer folks to have no health insurance and force the public to pay for it?

Derek

As is seen not uncommonly here, the OP title does not reflect what the President actually said.

Rail about "Obamacare" and "Tyrant Obama" and whatever; I'm not in that dog-fight

In his response to the question in the video, the President said that health care coverage seems like a luxury until it is needed, and when it IS needed, people will appreciate having affordable healthcare coverage and that they paid whatever they needed to get it.

The original article, the OP and most of the comments in this thread ignore this fact in favor of Obama-bashing.

Deny ignorance, and dishonesty.

TANSTAFL.

acmpnsfal
Cable is a luxury not a necessity, health insurance is

incorrect. Medical services are a necessity.....not the greedy middleman known as "health insurance"

get rid of that, mandate that big pharma can't price gouge the public, and you'll see the cost of medical services go down substantially...

Daedalus

acmpnsfal
Cable is a luxury not a necessity, health insurance is

incorrect. Medical services are a necessity.....not the greedy middleman known as "health insurance"

get rid of that, mandate that big pharma can't price gouge the public, and you'll see the cost of medical services go down substantially...

Please explain how that solution is not "government-imposed socialism."

I don't disagree with you, and had hopes that's what the ACA would have been. /sigh

reply to post by xuenchen


So...I watched the video and Obama didn't say what your headline says he did?

It's regarding a letter from a guy that has a family of 3, makes 36K a year and says his health insurance will cost him 300 per month?

Which is pretty damn good by the way. Are you suggesting he should go back to not insuring his family?

Or are you suggesting that the subsidies should cover the cost? I don't know if this guy qualifies, but are you saying it should cover his insurance?

The President said that when families look at their budget, cell phone, cable TV etc. they should prioritize health care coverage above those things. Do you disagree?

Not sure what you are contending? That HBO is more important than your kids having healthcare?

What exactly do you disagree with?

Cuz the President didn't tell anyone to cancel anything.

Realtruth FYI for people bashing Obama here. Although he and his family are out of touch, spend millions on weekend get-aways, and his wife blows millions on clothes and parties, Obama did not write this healthcare bill. Obama was the puppet for a few powerful people in the healthcare industry, that understood if they forced ever US citizen that was working to pay into their program monthly they would have billions extra. And if people get sick they can then get billions more from a huge deductible. It's simple really look at the hospitals today, they are everywhere and they have the best of everything. Heck some of the hospitals in my area look like resorts on the inside and outside. But the mere fact Obama would ask everyone to cut back on simple luxuries, while he spends millions and millions for his comforts shows he is out of touch, or possibly a borderline sociopath.

edit on 14-3-2014 by Realtruth because: (no reason given)

It is true, I bash him every time I can, but those shoes always fit him, (note: don't let me see the words "Obama bashing" It's like my mkultra activation words!!)

Even if he didn't write it all up, , he did make it so it was going to have mandatory written on it or fines. It conforms fully to his political training and goals. Written with the sole purpose to inflict oppression on America, Plus, he ignored his oath as President and started making his own laws for the implementation of it, even laughing at the idea that congress is the only legal route to do this..And when even some democrats spoke out against this outrageously illegal behavior, Obama just went on national news and said he is doing the same thing many times. Telling people just by verbatim that his words are now laws. He might be a puppet to some, but he is also pulling a LOT of strings with this gigantic crap sandwich.

Obama care is a direct insult and a glaring condemnation of all Americans. It is simply a punitive measure to cause oppression, which is a prerequisite for the truly effed up stuff coming, there is nothing that can be said about it that is beneficial to anyone.

Simply put, it is just punishment and oppression of people, so they will no longer fight to remain free. And all packaged in splendid garments, but when exposed, resembles a how to manual for the destruction of a country where all the people are blamed for the necessity of that destruction, and even made to pay for it, by paying the destructor's awesome sums of money. It is a ritualistic style death of a free nation. Real world black magic.

America used to be the model for other countries to fight for their freedom from oppressive governments and leaders. Now we are dealing with a turncoat to freedom. A true Doctor Jekyll and Mr Hyde. Crafted words that sound good to the idealist mindset. and then the delivery of pain and anguish, and injury.
Obama probably bragged to people in his circle of people, and said "Watch me sell all Americans a crap sandwich, and I'll force it upon them illegally and get away with it. It will be epically hilarious!"



This is what Obama thinks about America. He spits upon you all and What he thinks is written upon everything that he does. very simple and plain as day. But the simple and quiet minds of America just can't comprehend an enemy that is of this gargantuan magnitude of spiritual corruption. It doesn't compute that people anywhere could be like that. He is just a walking talking felonious sewer factory dressed in fancy clothes. He even brags about killing children and others overseas, and then in the next sentence, disparages child gun deaths here, but those guns he gave to the cartels and they use them against people in America, to this day.

Obama plays a shell game with what he said, and what he meant, and what he actually did. Those 3 things being shuffled around, and there is no correct one to pick, because they all have deceits inside.

To me, this thing called Obama care is incredibly insulting to all Americans, and oppressive. like what governments do to people before becoming full blown totalitarian regimes.and if Obama wasn't such a pie slinging coward, I would like to get him in a boxing ring and go bare fists, street style. That is the kind of obama health care I can support. .


PS: Obama has impeached himself by his actions and thus we need no court to affirm this. Just boycott the lying son of a B. --Opt out

pdawg67
The irony for me is that prior to the ACA I could have afforded health insurance that would have protected me from medical bankruptcy. Which, if my memory serves me correctly, is like the purpose of insurance.

Let's see my bare bones satellite TV bill is $50 a month. I have to have a cell phone as I run my business from it so that's another $50 a month. Losing both of those still won't even pay for a Bronze Plan which will not protect me from medical bankruptcy. I make too much to qualify for a subsidy and not enough to purchase this bull# so called insurance. There literally is no room in my budget after my base bills are paid. Oh yeah, my business depends on having an Internet connection too so I can't lose that either.

Now, If I quit paying such non-essential services as electricity, natural gas, property taxes, and quit going to the grocery store and take up dumpster diving then I could afford a Bronze Plan.

The arrogance of the ivory tower egghead fascists who created this hydra is astounding.

On the plus side, I've learned a lot about herbal medicine.

kinda makes you wonder where those "less than a hundred bucks" family plans he promised the people went, doesn't it?

Indigo5
reply to post by xuenchen

 

So...I watched the video and Obama didn't say what your headline says he did?

It's regarding a letter from a guy that has a family of 3, makes 36K a year and says his health insurance will cost him 300 per month?

Which is pretty damn good by the way. Are you suggesting he should go back to not insuring his family?

Or are you suggesting that the subsidies should cover the cost? I don't know if this guy qualifies, but are you saying it should cover his insurance?

The President said that when families look at their budget, cell phone, cable TV etc. they should prioritize health care coverage above those things. Do you disagree?

Not sure what you are contending? That HBO is more important than your kids having healthcare?

What exactly do you disagree with?

Cuz the President didn't tell anyone to cancel anything.

One thing i have learned is that when someone breaks it down to zero sum thinking, it is usually askew of logic.

Yes, i disagree. I don't know "this man", but can say that until the last 7 years or so, from a risk analysis perspective, medical insurance was a cost that was not worth it. My wife worked for a doctor, and we had most care needed through that avenue instead of having an insurance premium. i still see that doctor, using my insurance, since my wife went to work elsewhere.

I think that a fallacy has been passed here without people really noticing: that "healthcare" is a necessity. It isn't. We made it this long without it. And we could keep going, if we could control medical costs.

"Healthcare" isnt going to fix out problems. It really won't. And even worse, what Obama has proposed for a solution will not only not fix our problems, it'll make them worse.

The ability to choose MUST always be present. Or you are not free. Because freedom also means you are free to make bad decisions, and to learn from them. Isn't that what life is really about? Learning from experiences?

Gryphon66
As is seen not uncommonly here, the OP title does not reflect what the President actually said.

Rail about "Obamacare" and "Tyrant Obama" and whatever; I'm not in that dog-fight

In his response to the question in the video, the President said that health care coverage seems like a luxury until it is needed, and when it IS needed, people will appreciate having affordable healthcare coverage and that they paid whatever they needed to get it.

The original article, the OP and most of the comments in this thread ignore this fact in favor of Obama-bashing.

Deny ignorance, and dishonesty.

Maybe he's right. maybe people would be happy to have insurance when they are sick. But maybe he is also wrong. Maybe there will be hoards of insured people in America that will not be able to pay deductibles and copays after making their monthly premium. Sure, maybe theyll get some of it back once a year in their returns....but as of right now, how long till that happens? How many months will go by, making a premium, but not being able to afford to use the service?

You and I agree that healthcare should be affordable to the public. But I think that using the insurance companies to achieve this is wrong in every way imaginable. How about we create legislation that removes the need for them? that will make healthcare affordable by removing the leech causing the prices to go up in the first place. Win/win.

Gryphon66
As is seen not uncommonly here, the OP title does not reflect what the President actually said.

Rail about "Obamacare" and "Tyrant Obama" and whatever; I'm not in that dog-fight

In his response to the question in the video, the President said that health care coverage seems like a luxury until it is needed, and when it IS needed, people will appreciate having affordable healthcare coverage and that they paid whatever they needed to get it.

The original article, the OP and most of the comments in this thread ignore this fact in favor of Obama-bashing.

Deny ignorance, and dishonesty.

yes, being able to see a doctor, or get medicine is more important than cable TV.....this indisputable fact....

what's also indisputable fact is that this president is fiscally irresponsible, and is in NO position to tell the american people how to budget their money, or what to spend it on....in addition to that, the plans are NOT affordable to the majority of people, unless they just give up pretty much everything, and become slaves to the system....is a life of being used as a battery, really a life worth living?

Gryphon66

Daedalus

acmpnsfal
Cable is a luxury not a necessity, health insurance is

incorrect. Medical services are a necessity.....not the greedy middleman known as "health insurance"

get rid of that, mandate that big pharma can't price gouge the public, and you'll see the cost of medical services go down substantially...

Please explain how that solution is not "government-imposed socialism."

I don't disagree with you, and had hopes that's what the ACA would have been. /sigh

explain to me how it is...

i'm thinking you might not fully understand what "socialism" actually is..

Gryphon66
As is seen not uncommonly here, the OP title does not reflect what the President actually said.

Yes...It's hard to take a debate seriously that begins with a lie? If you have to build your argument upon BS as a foundation..why should anyone care?