Obama says: If Obamacare’s Too Expensive, Cancel Cable, Cell Phone

reply to post by azdaze


Look at these real-life stories, it is ridiculous. $18,000 for a kidney stone - although I am not surprised. What a load of crap. And people moving in with their parents in order to afford basics. I see stuff like this all the time myself, too in real life... thanks, Azadel, for your stories with their costs.

I have not bought or had bought any health care since 1981 and I have never needed it. So far. I pay cash if I need a doctor and same with the dentist. I did try blue cross when I was working for Boeing which I didn't have to pay a penny for. Now it is different there.

Obama just has to make everything about him, and this is no exception. He says live within our means, but spends trillions with 70% going to checks written to individuals.
Then we have the reason he is saying all this dog crap to begin with..

Thats is: "Please my fellow sucke, .. I mean Americans, please live on the cheap and skip a meal or 2 to help me get Obama care going, or I might look stupid if it doesn't work" (Hmm, wow, such hindsight to think of this then..This is the IQ that created the worlds largest ABORTION so, if people sign up for this trash, I have no sympathy for them.

Obama and cronies will continue to lie out their arses and say things that boggle the minds of friends and foes alike. Kind of like he always does.

Cooperate with this stillborn monster and it will eat you and all your loved ones, and their offspring. If America survives that long their will be nothing recognizable to what it is still.

Negligent homicide on an entire country, and now no one will ever need declare war on America, if Obam-abortion lasts any length of time..

I do not feel sorry for all the people who voted for him. This is want they wanted. Health Care for everyone provided by the US government. If you don't know what you are voting for, I believe they should read up on it or let more educated people vote if they do not want to take the time to find out what they are voting for. I say this because the democrats did not want a voluntary plan. They wanted to force it upon every American and they did so with a democrat as President and a congress controlled by the democrats.

However many could not see past all the lies. He claimed it would save the average family $2,500 per year. You could keep your doctor, etc. etc. Millions of people will disagree now that they know the truth. Unfortunately, the vast majority of people are paying more thanks to this system. I am not at the moment but my deductible increased to something like $3,500 so I have to set aside money before my health insurance starts paying. I just hope I never get sick. That's Obama for you, bringing you hope that you never get sick and have to pay a whole lot more out of your pocket. I would like to thank everyone who brought me this hope. I hope I never get sick and have to pay a whole lot of money out of my account. The democrats wanted hope and change and they brought it to us. That doesn't even include the bill for all the massive debt spending they engaged in and never even tried to curtail. Of course when you are running a bankrupt economy, printing money and growing the economy faster than your debt is growing is the only way to avoid a massive collapse that I know of. I would suggest that brighter people would cut spending that isn't needed to make the economic situation better.

We all pay taxes. Honestly, where does the money come from when someone who didn't have medical insurance who suddenly becomes very sick or badly injured (yes, this is real life, and this happens), goes to the emergency room but has no insurance and no means to pay?

Much better in my opinion if more people are insured and there aren't such complications with so many uninsured folks showing up at the ER.

kurthall
reply to post by Destinyone

 

I am sorry, but I have seen with my own two eyes, people collecting food stamps with the newest phones and getting into freaking $40,000 dollar cars. So I am sorry if these people who qualify for food stamps can have those luxuries, then yeah they damn well BETTER have health insurance. Why should they have a $700 dollar cell phone, a $40,000 dollar car, and an Ipad at the food stamp office, and then expect us to pay for their healthcare if they get sick and do not have insurance.

CLEARLY, I do NOT mean this is typical of all people who get food stamps, because it is not. However, when I see 5 or 6 people out of lets say 30 with these kinds of luxuries, it makes me think, yeah you really need food stamps. Also you really need to have more kids, the 3 you have just are not enough!

edit on 13-3-2014 by kurthall because: added

How many paydays are most of us from being hungry or broke? When a person loses their job, or maybe get divorced, become disabled,etc., they don't look different, they don't suddenly start dressing in rags or start driving a clinker whenever this downfall only just happened within the last month or two.

Back in '93 I filed for divorce and he left with everything. I had 2 dollars and some change in my pocket, and two young boys to feed. He gave nothing in child support so I had to take him to court. In the meantime I searched for a job, and found one, but not before the cupboards were empty. I had to go to social services (or whatever it's called-can't rem.) and apply for food stamps. It was a humiliating experience and not something I imagine anyone wanting to do. I do recall my mother saying something to me about the way I was dressed and that I should maybe not look to good-something to that effect. My car was an 86 (he took the new truck).

My point is only that a person might become broke overnight, but they still had what they had the day before. Minus the cash (which I never had anyway).

Wrabbit2000
I see... so we should willingly sacrifice our quality of life for his spectacularly stupid idea.

Nope.... This is NOT how to get people to buy your BS. I'm far from sold.

Some people have a strange outlook, I am from the the UK we have the NHS which is free at point of use is not really free as we pay National Insurance on our wages which works out at about 9% approx.

Without your health you really have nothing but if I have a serious illness or an accident today NO medical bills, the trouble is people now think that what were classed as luxury items a few years back are now some kind on entitlement really?

What YOU spend on cable/sat tv, phones , alcohol , cigarettes , console games etc etc should be COMMON SENSE based on your earnings NOT your wants.

I had a period when I was out off a job for a while, cut backs were made on the above items until I was working again.

PhysicsAlive
We all pay taxes. Honestly, where does the money come from when someone who didn't have medical insurance who suddenly becomes very sick or badly injured (yes, this is real life, and this happens), goes to the emergency room but has no insurance and no means to pay?

Much better in my opinion if more people are insured and there aren't such complications with so many uninsured folks showing up at the ER.

See. This REALLY ticks me off. If people had dropped the partisan bickering long enough, it was explained 100 times if it was explained once.

People with traumatic illness or even general illness that went to the ER, that truly had no means to pay, are automatically signed up for Medicaid. If they are old enough, or meet certain criteria of critical illnness like needing dialysis, they automatically get Medicare, too.

Medicaid is State benefits, Medicare is Federal, already had been paid for by the tax deductions out of our paychecks.

This healthcare bill changed NOTHING, except to make it worse, because it inflated already high insurance costs, it inflated hospital costs as a knee-jerk reaction, and it inflated medication costs due to corporate greed.

That is the ONLY thing that changed.

In fact, the rules for qualifying for Medicaid changed, expanded to include people with a higher income, and millions are now on Medicaid than ever before, choking the system worse than ever. Those people, with their shiny new insurance are now unable to find doctors willing to take it, and guess where they end up?! The ER!!

It changed, all right. For the worse, and no amount of signees to these plans will help anyone at the STATE level. The Feds are trying to cover their asses because they robbed Medicare BLIND. They know it is unsustainable.

reply to post by acmpnsfal

Yea I doubt this happened but even if it did, you must have been eating way more than two candy bars a year, I mean whats that 3 dollars a year at the most for a regular size candy bar. I agree something with that budget was wayyyyyy off. You couldn't afford the house either way.

It happened, and frankly I couldn't give a rats ass if you doubt it. Back then candy bar was like 50 cents (maybe not that much). Your point was what.. to criticize? No, I could not afford a house, but I wasn't buying one-and really not my point.

As far as cable tv, internet, Netflix goes.. we have all that, and the man I'm with now provides home AND candy bars. Actually, I can't remember the last time I ate a candy bar, but if I wanted 10 a day he would buy them for me.

No need to preach to me about health care-I get it. My point was only that a person shouldn't have to choose between having cable OR healthcare.

People should be working to live-not living to work. You say that is neither here or there, well I beg to differ. Especially whenever it takes so much of a persons hard earned income just to make ends meet, and those working full time should be making enough that they shouldn't need food stamps. How can a person qualify for food stamps and yet afford health-care. I'm speaking in general here.

None of that really matters though. What does matter is that the Gov't. has no business charging fines for this health care business. I guess some people are okay with the Gov't overstepping their power/s as long as it feeds their agenda. I want health care for all too, but not like this.

reply to post by wmd_2008

Some people have a strange outlook, I am from
the the UK we have the NHS which is free at
point of use is not really free as we pay National
Insurance on our wages which works out at
about 9% approx.

We already had Medicaid and Medicare for the needy, people who could truly not afford medical care. If you go to the hospital, you are never denied medical care, and if you qualify, you are instantly signed up for Medicaid, which is a state level benefit. If you have a serious illness, you also get Medicare, a Federal benefit.

People must either not read their paystubs, or not realize it, but much of those tax dollars deducted go to pay Medicare and Medicaid, then Federal Income Tax. So many people in the US, in fact, about 49%, pay out of their checks in taxes, but get it all back at tax season, so their equivalent donation is ZERO.

The other 51% pay the rest. Of that 51%, the top 3% pay the most.

Then, you have corporations like GE, Facebook, etc., that pay nothing in taxes, but earn billions a year. How is that even right?

I would be HAPPY if all I paid for healthcare was a measly 9%. I would find that GLORIOUS!

However, not only do I pay more than 40% of my income in premiums alone, I also pay all of the out of pocket expenses untill a total deductible of 5700.00 is reached, THEN my insurance kicks in at 90/10.

After all of that expense, a measly 9% of my income would be CAKE. But, then, I have heard the horror stories of the NHS, the wait times, etc., and I have to ask, is it worth it?

I am starting, God help me, to wish for single payor, which is Obama's goal in the end. It would be a relief at this point.

reply to post by Libertygal

We already had Medicaid and Medicare for the needy, people who could truly not afford medical care. If you go to the hospital, you are never denied medical care, and if you qualify, you are instantly signed up for Medicaid, which is a state level benefit. If you have a serious illness, you also get Medicare, a Federal benefit.

It's been said a thousand times, but people either aren't understanding, or don't believe it.
I agree with you and your comment to me, but can't type anymore on this desktop.

buster2010

You are right it's not the governments place to prioritize your life. Just like it's not the governments place to bail you out when you go bankrupt because you had hospital bills you couldn't afford.

...Since when does the government pays for a person's hospital bills in the middle class ( even lower middle class), or bails out the middle class (including lower middle class) when they go bankrupt?...

I know of several people who have hospital bills they can't afford and those same people are the ones who must get in an agreement with the hospital to pay the bill in smaller payments, plus the outrageous interests...

In what rock in this Solar System do you live in?...

reply to post by xuenchen


next thing the USA Govt will do is issue the Basics Card to CONTROL your spending.

reply to post by azdaze


a good point to keep in mind. i know i had two relatives die very close in time to each other. one was in the US, and it was mainly "palliative care". the other died in the Philippines, and was way more intensive with "emergency room" treatment, at the "best" (read more expensive) hospital, lots of tests, medications and Dr's (including "top specialists"), involved (they have VERY GOOD HEATH CARE, if you need a place for "cheaper" medical, or if you have "socialized" medical where the help you need is hard to come by, i would strongly suggest it). all in all a lot more being done, to try to save their life. comparing the two bills, the one in the Philippines (for 3 days of intense care) in it's entirety, was not even the cost of ONE doctor for ONE day for the one treated in the US. yes i do know there is a major "cost of living" difference between the two countries, but even the same "medications" from the same manufacturers, have the same price difference. it just goes to show how the US medical care is far more expensive than it needs to be.

seriously $1,800 for a broken arm, are you kidding me? for what? a couple hours max (most of which is sitting waiting, not actually being "looked after"), a "fiberglass" cast, gee go down to an auto repair supply shop, "fiberglass" is CHEAP. the "intern's" time? you think it took a Dr to put on that cast? x-rays? not worth that much sorry. it took TWO YEARS to pay for it? that is INSANE. and that was 37 years ago, what the heck is it worth now?

if the President really wanted to do something about people's ability to get and afford medical care, don't you think he would have been further ahead to deal with the GROSS OVERCHARGING involved in ALL aspects of medical care, from doctors, to medications, to the insurance companies who agree to pay such high prices. not create a "ponzy scheme" to force everyone to buy overpriced insurance with higher than can be afforded "user fees" to pay for everyone's care. one is a solution, the other is just like slapping some plaster over a crack in a dam to make it "look good", while doing nothing to repair the structural "flaw" and danger that crack represents.

okay Pres. I canceled my phone service and never had cable to begin with..
Can I use your phone number as a contact number for my perspective employers and you can just jump into airforce one and fly over to give me the messages??

Oh and by the way even after cutting all their "luxuries" from our budget we still can't afford the coverage. Maybe we should just stop eating also??

FYI for people bashing Obama here.

Although he and his family are out of touch, spend millions on weekend get-aways, and his wife blows millions on clothes and parties, Obama did not write this healthcare bill.

Obama was the puppet for a few powerful people in the healthcare industry, that understood if they forced ever US citizen that was working to pay into their program monthly they would have billions extra.

And if people get sick they can then get billions more from a huge deductible.

It's simple really look at the hospitals today, they are everywhere and they have the best of everything.

Heck some of the hospitals in my area look like resorts on the inside and outside.

But the mere fact Obama would ask everyone to cut back on simple luxuries, while he spends millions and millions for his comforts shows he is out of touch, or possibly a borderline sociopath.

reply to post by Domo1

Again, I don't agree with Obamacare (though it was nice to learn I couldn't be passed over and that the most I could be charged out of pocket annually was around $7k for medical expenses) but I don't think Obama is wrong to state that medical insurance is more important than cable TV (I have lived without it happily most of my life) a cell phone (I really don't need to be able to check ATS when I'm pooping in a store) or obscene car payments/credit card debt/a house that I can't afford.

I don't think Obama is wrong to say medical care is more important than Cable TV. That, as a general statement of life and priorities in how we live...should be painfully self evident. That's in a general, abstract way.

Unfortunately, this is like a door to door vacuum cleaner salesman asking if you value clean floors over one extra take-out meal. It's a silly, ignorant and outright childish question with options that don't realistically exist.



People, today, are signing up like lemmings off a cliff for 'low low rates' of $300-$1,500 a month....as a fee they must pay if they'd like to continue living and breathing on US Soil. It's that plain a thing in law.

FOR that? They are getting free care in what Uncle wants done.... NO care in what Uncle thinks isn't worth it or isn't "appropriate care" to the "patient outcome" and $5,000-$15,000 OUT OF POCKET PER YEAR spending before ONE THIN DIME of benefit is seen by ANYONE outside that mandatory "Uncle says..." crap like vaccines. Not everyone has backbreaking deductibles to make insurance a punch line to a joke. However, I've said before...not everyone is getting screwed by Obamacare. Just most of us.

I'd LOVE England's NHS at this stage. At least if they break an arm, they can get it fixed without it costing them full price + pain meds to boot. Here? I'll have to break my arm 10-15 times in a year before I DO NOT have to pay full price and then some...and that's WITH OBAMACARE.

We're being asked to make a fools choice by a man laughing at how we're jumping to become fools at the chance.

Wow. Im so sad. There is nothing I can say that you fine people havent said allready. It shouldnt be like this, we shouldnt have to struggle this bad to live. I wonder when the next revolution is going to be? Now that we are all getting screwed the same way, who will spark the fire?

I cant believe it has gotten this bad. Im not that old, but I remember stories when people could have one person working in a household and be just fine. Groceries were affordable, and so was health care. People cared about each other.

The government has us fighting amongst ourselves, when they slip in the back door and steel everything. When are we going to wake up?

We need to take cues from the French. If their gov. pulled this s#it, they would be flipping cars, and throwing molitovs. Where are our balls?

Wow. Im so sad. There is nothing I can say that you fine people havent said allready. It shouldnt be like this, we shouldnt have to struggle this bad to live. I wonder when the next revolution is going to be? Now that we are all getting screwed the same way, who will spark the fire?

I cant believe it has gotten this bad. Im not that old, but I remember stories when people could have one person working in a household and be just fine. Groceries were affordable, and so was health care. People cared about each other.

The government has us fighting amongst ourselves, when they slip in the back door and steel everything. When are we going to wake up?

We need to take cues from the French. If their gov. pulled this s#it, they would be flipping cars, and throwing molitovs. Where are our balls?

Obama is an idiot. For example: I'm getting downsized. I pay for internet and have a cellphone. I need the internet in order to look for work, and I need a cellphone in case a potential employer wants to call me. What I CAN do without is signing up for ACA. It won't happen. Those other things are chump change in comparison to what I'd have to pay for with ObamaCrapCare.

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