Dr. Ben Carson: America ‘very much like Nazi Germany’

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posted on Mar, 12 2014 @ 02:23 PM
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That's why I said Pre-WWII Germany. Those 'blame the 1%' (like the Nazis blamed the Jews) and 'if you tell the truth you are a hater' kinds of stuff are pulled ... but they don't hang on. If they caught hold and were how the country was being run, then I'd give you the America=NaziGermany thing. If you can convince me that it's taken hold, I'll change my mind and say he's right.




posted on Mar, 12 2014 @ 02:24 PM
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Kali74
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Get an actual cause before martyring yourself.


Don't have to martyr myself.

There are plenty who'd stand in line singing, "Amerika über alles" to do it gladly.



posted on Mar, 12 2014 @ 02:25 PM
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FlyersFan
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That's why I said Pre-WWII Germany. Those 'blame the 1%' (like the Nazis blamed the Jews) and 'if you tell the truth you are a hater' kinds of stuff are pulled ... but they don't hang on. If they caught hold and were how the country was being run, then I'd give you the America=NaziGermany thing. If you can convince me that it's taken hold, I'll change my mind and say he's right.


If we wait until the "ovens" then it'll be too late.



posted on Mar, 12 2014 @ 02:25 PM
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seeker1963
I don't see an issue using the term "Nazi". It is a comparison of things that have happened in the past (history) is it not? How can we learn from our mistakes as human beings, if we bury the past?


Pulling the Nazi card ... or pulling the Hitler card ... are VERY serious. If someone pulls it, then it had better be a very serious situation and they'd better be very sure of the information. Yelling 'Nazi' or 'Hitler' is like yelling 'FIRE!' in a crowded theatre ...

At least that's the construct I have of it all ...



posted on Mar, 12 2014 @ 02:27 PM
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FlyersFan

seeker1963
I don't see an issue using the term "Nazi". It is a comparison of things that have happened in the past (history) is it not? How can we learn from our mistakes as human beings, if we bury the past?


Pulling the Nazi card ... or pulling the Hitler card ... are VERY serious. If someone pulls it, then it had better be a very serious situation and they'd better be very sure of the information. Yelling 'Nazi' or 'Hitler' is like yelling 'FIRE!' in a crowded theatre ...

At least that's the construct I have of it all ...



How many times has this administration and it's followers pulled the "race card"?



posted on Mar, 12 2014 @ 02:28 PM
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beezzer
If we wait until the "ovens" then it'll be too late.

Oh beezzer ... you know that's not what I'm saying.

I say we are in Pre-WWII Germany. The potential is there.
You say we are already in Nazi Germany.
I asked if you could convince me of it, because if you can then I'll gladly retract my statement.

I have NO problem with people comparing Nazi Germany to modern situations.
The problem I have is when people pull the Nazi or Hitler card early.
If someone says 'Nazi' or 'Hitler' ... that's DAMN SERIOUS. Ya' know?
As far as I'm concerned, Hitler pretty much = the devil himself.



posted on Mar, 12 2014 @ 02:30 PM
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You win the prize.

It's all about creating sensation. It's plainly obvious that he knows nothing of Nazi Germany.

Wiemar Germany? Maybe. Possibly. Which is quite scary enough.



posted on Mar, 12 2014 @ 02:30 PM
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beezzer
How many times has this administration and it's followers pulled the "race card"?

Constantly. It's tiresome.
But I'm not seeing how them constantly pulling the race card = Nazi Germany??
I just see idiots trying to manipulate others in a mundane way.
But like I said, if you can convince me, I'll change my position.



posted on Mar, 12 2014 @ 02:32 PM
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seagull
Wiemar Germany? Maybe. Possibly. Which is quite scary enough.

Wiemar Germany Info
Yep ... that's what I said too. Pre-WWII Germany. I see the similarities.



posted on Mar, 12 2014 @ 02:32 PM
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How many times has this administration and it's followers pulled the "race card"?


In Adolf's own words. we are...






posted on Mar, 12 2014 @ 02:34 PM
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FlyersFan

seeker1963
I don't see an issue using the term "Nazi". It is a comparison of things that have happened in the past (history) is it not? How can we learn from our mistakes as human beings, if we bury the past?


Pulling the Nazi card ... or pulling the Hitler card ... are VERY serious. If someone pulls it, then it had better be a very serious situation and they'd better be very sure of the information. Yelling 'Nazi' or 'Hitler' is like yelling 'FIRE!' in a crowded theatre ...

At least that's the construct I have of it all ...



The problem, as I see it, is that we are barely taught history. If people know any of this history, they know about Nazis and some of the scary things they did. They might have a bit of an inkling of who or what happened to let the Nazis come to power.

However, I'll bet next to no one knows the political condition of the world at that time.

How many people actually know that pretty much the whole world, including the US, thought that fascism was THE new way to go and that everyone was going to be fascist pretty soon? That the only reason why communism got foot hold in Russia was maybe because of how badly the Nazis poisoned the fascist pool due to WWII. In fact, they did such a number on it, that we even have to have this conversation in the first place.

All I'm saying is that thanks to the extreme negative connotation to Nazis, no one connects it to fascism, and they should. They should also learn about the world pre-WWII, including Moussolini's Italy and Hitler's Nazi Germany because both are models of where we might be headed and how to get there.



posted on Mar, 12 2014 @ 02:34 PM
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Beez, dont ya know the annointed ones get away with it all.

And, apparently Hillary Clinton is the only one that can
get away with invoking Hitler!

Ben, take note it will be time for another
IRS audit soon!



posted on Mar, 12 2014 @ 02:35 PM
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FlyersFan

beezzer
If we wait until the "ovens" then it'll be too late.

Oh beezzer ... you know that's not what I'm saying.

I say we are in Pre-WWII Germany. The potential is there.
You say we are already in Nazi Germany.
I asked if you could convince me of it, because if you can then I'll gladly retract my statement.

I have NO problem with people comparing Nazi Germany to modern situations.
The problem I have is when people pull the Nazi or Hitler card early.
If someone says 'Nazi' or 'Hitler' ... that's DAMN SERIOUS. Ya' know?
As far as I'm concerned, Hitler pretty much = the devil himself.


The potential IS here. And nothing is being done to stop it.


Obama has taken that a step further and is basically punishing people who aren't on the same page.

Lois Lerner and the IRS targeting conservative groups?



posted on Mar, 12 2014 @ 02:36 PM
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How is it serious if it is an accurate comparison?

What I find more serious are those whom are in denial of the fact things are getting that close to even make the comparison!



posted on Mar, 12 2014 @ 02:39 PM
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seagull
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You win the prize.

It's all about creating sensation. It's plainly obvious that he knows nothing of Nazi Germany.

Wiemar Germany? Maybe. Possibly. Which is quite scary enough.



Yes, but the story of Wiemar Germany is also the story of Hitler's Germany. You can't learn about the one properly without learning about the other ... not and have any hope to really understand history.

What? Do you think history is really discreet, unrelated events and time periods?



posted on Mar, 12 2014 @ 02:46 PM
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What I find more serious are those whom are in denial of the fact things are getting that close to even make the comparison!


Things people deny like:
    Traffic checkpoints
    Mandatory ID (papers pleez!)
    TSA checkpoints
    Constitution free zone
    Prisoner torture
    Murdering US citizens with drones
    Surviellance
    Indefinite detention

Yeah we're pretty much there. They haven't started the gas chambers (yet.)



posted on Mar, 12 2014 @ 02:50 PM
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seeker1963
How is it serious if it is an accurate comparison?


Oh gosh ....

It is a very serious comparison to make.
If it is an accurate one ... than that's fine.
But the fact that someone says USA = Nazi Germany is SERIOUS.
I didn't say the comparison shouldn't be made if it's true.



posted on Mar, 12 2014 @ 02:55 PM
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Thank you, I'm well aware of the relationship between the two.

Flip sides of the same coin, if you will.

The Wiemar Republic was famous/infamous for it's corruption, and the backlash against it, lead in many ways to the rise to power of the National Socialists/Hitler.



posted on Mar, 12 2014 @ 03:39 PM
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For the record I see the US as being closer to the communist,


For the record.

Fascism(Nazi Germany) is an ideology that draws from left,right, and communism, socialism.

So it has attributes of all of them.




Fascists sought to unify their nation through a totalitarian state that promoted the mass mobilization of the national community


Check!



Fascist ideology consistently invokes the primacy of the state. Leaders such as Benito Mussolini in Italy and Adolf Hitler in Germany embodied the state and claimed indisputable power. Fascism borrowed theories and terminology from socialism but replaced socialism's focus on class conflict with a focus on conflict between nations and races


en.wikipedia.org...

Class conflict Check- 'income inequality', 'rich pay their fair share' etc.

With a modern twist on creating conflict such as the 'war on women', 'gun violence' 'right wingers hate children' etc.

I agree with Carson.

The US is very much like Germany in the 30s.

They have a hipper rap today, but there are far too many similarities, and the current regime is the antithesis of liberal.

Oh people are 'free' to agree with them, but 'GOD' help you if you don't.

The full weight of the US government, and it's henchman will come busting through that front door acting like the gestapo.

Just ask the Tea party, and people like D'Souza.



posted on Mar, 12 2014 @ 03:45 PM
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beezzer

FlyersFan

seeker1963
I don't see an issue using the term "Nazi". It is a comparison of things that have happened in the past (history) is it not? How can we learn from our mistakes as human beings, if we bury the past?


Pulling the Nazi card ... or pulling the Hitler card ... are VERY serious. If someone pulls it, then it had better be a very serious situation and they'd better be very sure of the information. Yelling 'Nazi' or 'Hitler' is like yelling 'FIRE!' in a crowded theatre ...

At least that's the construct I have of it all ...



How many times has this administration and it's followers pulled the "race card"?


And the "Nazi" card--the NRA are Nazis (and racists), the T-Party are Nazis (and racists), etc. I've heart the left throw about the "Nazi" accusation much more than the right, along with using the race card.






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