Interstellar travel impossible, therefore...

Erno86

UltraverseMaximus
How does organic material survive outside a planets atmosphere? I have read mixed results with some of the radiation being beneficial to seeds.

I would say FTL travel will not be achieved by organic life forms due to the fact that the energy required would have to exceed the energy available for the mass to reach such an acceleration.
This would actually for lack of better words make something non existent to a physical reality.
Sucks to be a lame time traveller lol

I tend to believe that a micro-mini black hole installed on a starship [google: Black hole starships], would be energy efficient enough to easily get the starship up to or at the speed of light --- if not beyond --- into the superluminal realm. Since we have possible evidence of interstellar capable starship arrivals here on Earth --- I can only speculate that these starships have broken the speed of light barrier....and have achieved this feat with black hole starships/saucers. The black hole on the starship should conceivably create it's own magnetic field/fields, which should negate the effects of FTL on mass.

Cheers,

Erno

a technologically creatable and controllable micro black hole is probably a long way off. i think you would have to master monopole technology to actually create a controlled miniature blackhole. this is because monopole matter would be so massive and dense that if you got enough to fill a 1.5 cm diameter sphere it would collapse into a blackhole. fortunately synthesized monopoles are technologically feasible. unfortunately to make a complete synthetic monopole you need to master wormholes first. even though i realize several forms of psuedo-monopole have been created in condensed matter or solid state physics. they are technically monopoles but not quite the type that assume every property of a real monopole. i think wormhole derived monopoles would be perfect monopoles because one species of proposed monopole is in fact a frozen out cosmic string remnant. the ends of the string are all that remain and it is these that are monopoles. but with a wormhole you can impart an isolated magnetic charge simply by passing a magnetic flux line through the wormhole and then sending one end or the other away. either mouth then acts as a monopole. the you can assemble a bunch of them into matter analogs. even do chemistry with monopole derived atoms. monopoles have fantastic properties. it far surpasses normal matter in desirable and sometimes undesirable properties.

because the monopole black hole would have a magnetic charge it would be easy to isolate the thing from other matter to prevent it from eating the ship or the planet. and to get energy out of it you feed it matter in a controlled way. it should generate heat light, x rays and gamma rays. these should be convertible into usable energy.

of course another type of monopole actually catalyzes matter annihilation without being consumed. sort of like a strangelet of strange matter. that would have double the efficiency of an antimatter drive.

reply to post by Ross 54

I respect Dr. White's judgement and scientific repute all the more because he is being careful and conservative about what he says.

Yes.

However a signal which is indistinguishable from noise is not really a result.

Phage
reply to post by Ross 54

 

I respect Dr. White's judgement and scientific repute all the more because he is being careful and conservative about what he says.

Yes.

However a signal which is indistinguishable from noise is not really a result.

kind of like listening to Bob Dylan?

Phage
Interstellar travel is not impossible.
It just, in all likelihood, would take a very long time.

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Like all these UFO/EtH questions people post very vague questions.

Interstellar means 'between stars'. It doesn't address who is doing the traveling, if indeed a person. It doesn't address the purpose.

Interstellar travel by drones is how we will map the cosmos, but yes, nobody's "going" anywhere except low orbit.

thesaneone
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Well they did say the same thing about breaking the sound barrier and guess what happened.

No they didn't. It wasn't physicists who said that 'breaking the sound barrier' was impossible, after all they already knew bullets did, and there were things in space going very fast without any sound.

"breaking the sound barrier" was an engineering difficulty for aircraft design because of the aerodynamic instabilities and maybe lack of very high performance aircraft engines.

If they really thought it was actually prohibited by laws of physics then they probably wouldn't have put in a large engineering effort to make full scale test aircraft.

a monopole derived black hole could be spun up like a relativisitc flywheel and tapped the same way. it would be a cosmically powerful dynamo.

Phage
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I respect Dr. White's judgement and scientific repute all the more because he is being careful and conservative about what he says.

Yes.

However a signal which is indistinguishable from noise is not really a result.

ah; but it is my understanding that he didn't get a below sigma figure. i thought he said he had a barely above noise signal. he knows what he has will be picked apart and so he is working to improve his figure above sigma level.

If the Hilbert Felber effect proves true you could send even a normally pathetic chemical rocket to a good portion of light speed. that would put any star within ten light years or so within conceivable two way travelling distance and make any destination within one way travel distance due to time dilation.

Phage
Interstellar travel is not impossible.
It just, in all likelihood, would take a very long time.

edit on 3/11/2014 by Phage because: (no reason given)

Thats only with what we know now with current technology.

Who knows what the future holds.

Even if the Light speed barrier cant be broken a Anti matter drive could make transit times more reasonable.

eezveeneetee
The subject line states my premise. SINCE interstellar travel is impossible, the so-called ET theory is invalid. And your promotion of the ET theory has been central to the UFO "phenomenon" for decades now. You have been foundational in promulgating an entire culture of UFO hysterics. Therefore, you are either sincerely misled, delusional, or an operative in the largest, and most successful PSY-OP in history. You don't strike me as deluding yourself, or mentally imbalanced. So I'll ask, or rather suggest a possible explanation of who Stanton Friedman is, in part. Are you, or have you been, an employee or a contractor of a U.S. government intelligence agency?
It makes a whole lot of sense that you are very possibly a big player in perpetuating a very useful hoax that the government can benefit from: a sensational idea that the wishful would follow like lemmings, and serve to distract the public from various programs they prefer to be hidden. Assuming my theory is correct, the UFO disinformation program has been enormously successful. ET's arriving to our solar locale is an impossible feat. So, Dr. Friedman...are your checks from the government direct-deposited?

The flaw with you premise is that technology remains stable and never changes and that in 100 or 1000 years time human kind will still have the same technology we have to day.

Fact is there is a vast amount of knowledge we likely don't know.


O and Im not entirely convinced in UFO are aliens theory.

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It might eventually be possible for the Cern Accelerator too create an artificial black hole ---- if not --- we can search and hunt down a mini-rogue black hole....destroy it to pieces with an antimatter bomb --- grab a piece --- tractor beam it to a refinery on some isolated asteroid; and refine it so it has magnetic poles when fitted into a starship. It will not explode like other fuels...and the micro-mini black hole will be safely? confined to itself.

Besides emitting Hawking gamma radiation and a magnetic field...it should be able to attract starlight photons, which will be expelled near the speed of light from it's poles --- and expelled with extreme thrust from the starship --- increasing speed exponentially squared; to the speed of light and beyond into the superluminal realm.

Erno86
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It might eventually be possible for the Cern Accelerator too create an artificial black hole ---- if not --- we can search and hunt down a mini-rogue black hole....destroy it to pieces with an antimatter bomb --- grab a piece --- tractor beam it to a refinery on some isolated asteroid; and refine it so it has magnetic poles when fitted into a starship. It will not explode like other fuels...and the micro-mini black hole will be safely? confined to itself.

Besides emitting Hawking gamma radiation and a magnetic field...it should be able to attract starlight photons, which will be expelled near the speed of light from it's poles --- and expelled with extreme thrust from the starship --- increasing speed exponentially squared; to the speed of light and beyond into the superluminal realm.

unfortunately; any black hole born at CERN would be born so starved that it would evaporate via hawking radiation in so short of time that it could not be made permanent before it disappears.

a back hole cannot be blown up like that. a black hole can blow up theoretically but it happens when hawking processes or matter accumulation results in the event horizon reducing to within the radius of the quantum relic inside the black hole.

for reference see this article: www.livescience.com...

no, i am afraid if you want a pet black hole you probably need to make it yourself. but it can be done. probably.

The data from Dr. White's lab, and the cooperating one at S.Dak State are, of course inconclusive at this early stage. There is excess energy at the former that could be a signal and might be noise, when the warp device is turned on. The latter has detected a change of information one order of magnitude above baseline when its device is active. The results at both are good enough to justify continued work with the same warp devices, with some reasonable possibility of success.

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"Hawking's recent paper, suggesting that when you further stir the quantum mechanics into general relativity, the seething mass of the vaccum prevents the formation of a crisp, well-defined event horizon with a more ephemeral 'apparent horizon'.

This apparent horizon does the job of an event horizon, trapping matter and radiation within the black hole, but this trapping is only temporary, and eventually the matter and radiation are released carrying their stored information with them".

Quotes: Space.com

mbkennel

thesaneone
reply to post by eezveeneetee

 

Well they did say the same thing about breaking the sound barrier and guess what happened.

No they didn't. It wasn't physicists who said that 'breaking the sound barrier' was impossible, after all they already knew bullets did, and there were things in space going very fast without any sound.

Whips break the sound barrier too. Presumably physicists studying the speed of sound would be familiar with this.

Erno86
reply to post by stormbringer1701

 

"Hawking's recent paper, suggesting that when you further stir the quantum mechanics into general relativity, the seething mass of the vaccum prevents the formation of a crisp, well-defined event horizon with a more ephemeral 'apparent horizon'.

This apparent horizon does the job of an event horizon, trapping matter and radiation within the black hole, but this trapping is only temporary, and eventually the matter and radiation are released carrying their stored information with them".

Quotes: Space.com

yes. but it also says stuff about the nature of what lies in the center of a black hole. you can't just take a chunk of it and have a smaller black hole.

Ross 54
The data from Dr. White's lab, and the cooperating one at S.Dak State are, of course inconclusive at this early stage. There is excess energy at the former that could be a signal and might be noise, when the warp device is turned on. The latter has detected a change of information one order of magnitude above baseline when its device is active. The results at both are good enough to justify continued work with the same warp devices, with some reasonable possibility of success.

indeed. and there is something else. there is no reason to expect a negative or null result at all. because any mass or energy (regardless of whether you have a warp drive or not) warps space in a way that should be detectable if your instrument is sensitive enough.

eManym
As far as human flight is concerned it would take a considerable amount of time to slow down from the speed of light without killing the pilot. How long could someone survive in a 4g or higher environment?

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eh under 1 g it only takes a year to either accelerate to or deaccelerate from just under light speed. and there is a trick or two you can use to eliminate the acceleration G force except tidal forces using a a geodesic trajectory during the acceleration under the Hilbert-Felber effect. or of course gravity drives or warps or wormholes. a gravity drive can render inertia gain null and void due to the equivalence principle.

Oannes
Using Stars as gates always seems to work. Besides all stars are quantumly connected right?

Besides all stars are quantumly connected right?

AHHH mmmm ya ur Right

Brain Neuron Network or a Universe~ Geez!


Star Skipping Across the Universe! or Galaxies too !

or going Through Wormholes or Memory Hole! LOL !

Dont go into the Light Mary Ann!!!


But for us... we are still in the Nuclear Age LOL! a Civilization TYPE 0



Earth is Still in the Galactic Kindergartener Stage !!!


I guess its Time for Zontar to Teach us some more Rounds

Get Your Magic Stick Ready When Zontar Comes Back .
The Natives have been waiting a long time for his Return! OMG LOL

Ross 54
The data from Dr. White's lab, and the cooperating one at S.Dak State are, of course inconclusive at this early stage. There is excess energy at the former that could be a signal and might be noise, when the warp device is turned on. The latter has detected a change of information one order of magnitude above baseline when its device is active. The results at both are good enough to justify continued work with the same warp devices, with some reasonable possibility of success.

Source please...