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To all who believe in ghosts.. Let me put this myth to rest!

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posted on Mar, 12 2014 @ 03:52 PM
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Call it what you like (I think of it as a "ghost" because I don't know what label to assign it), but here's my personal evidence that there is unequivocally something "else" to reality:

When I was about 14-15 (I'm now 32), I was awakened by someone whispering my name. I thought it was my dad trying to wake me up. At first it seemed like it was part of my dream, but it was out of place. After a few whispers I woke up and let out a groggy "WHAT?!" and nothing was there. I was freaked out because I heard it even as I woke up, but convinced myself it was in my head and calmed down enough to go back to sleep. I didn't say a single word about this to anyone, since "it was just a dream."

About a week later, I had a friend spend the night. He passed out on my bed watching TV so I slept in the living room on the couch. The next morning he tells me about this voice that woke him up whispering MY name. He said it sounded like me, which also correlates with me thinking it was my dad (we sound similar and people always got us mixed up when we answered the phone.)

So there you have it. Assuming you don't jump to the conclusion that I'm lying, how do you explain that? I'm genuinely open to any ideas you or any other readers have.




posted on Mar, 12 2014 @ 04:15 PM
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I disagree and suggest that you read the OP again yourself.

I stand by my words.. there can be no such thing as a ghost, doing what it is defined to do. Something I made REALLY clear why can`t be done, both in my OP and throughout the thread. Read all my answers and you might get it.

And to those of you that think of energy like something without any mass.... I suggest you read up.



posted on Mar, 12 2014 @ 04:19 PM
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Can you clear up all other paranormal phenomenon or just this one?
Would be great if you had all teh answers, save us all a lot of time.




posted on Mar, 12 2014 @ 04:21 PM
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br0ker
I stand by my words.. there can be no such thing as a ghost, doing what it is defined to do. Something I made REALLY clear why can`t be done, both in my OP and throughout the thread.

You can stand by your words all you want ... but you are dead wrong.
We made it REALLY clear why throughout the thread.
We suggest you 'read up'. (your words).



posted on Mar, 12 2014 @ 04:21 PM
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br0ker
This should be extremely reasonable to most people. Yet I'm shocked how you can be so unscientific about the fact.

If a ghost should be able to move things, manifest itself to be viewed, or make sounds then it HAS to be a physical entity. A non-physical entity can not, in ANY way MOVE physical things. To be seen it needs to be physical as well, otherwise there is NO way to reflect light.

And most of all, to interact with you, it would need a brain. No physical entity=no brain=no mind and thought.

And the physical part of what you call a ghost is long gone and buried. It is only buried bones, if anything at all.

So, lets put this to rest. Unless you have some kind of scientific facts that would make all this mumbojumbo possible?
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Basically, the only thing you said is "the supernatural can't exist because it's supernatural".

Wow.



posted on Mar, 12 2014 @ 04:26 PM
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So I don't suppose you believe in the wind or electricity or gravity either? All of which are non phsyical entities that have real phsyical impacts. Energy is force, and only energy is necessary to generate force or to impact the physical. So if a ghost is a form of energy, they can likely find ways to generate force as well. Especially with electricity, and our brain; is a collection of electrical impulses. So a non phsyical floating entity with the power to manipulate electricity may infact have some level of intelligence. Also, I've seen a ghost. In person. Even for someone who claims to have a scientific way of disproving ghosts, you sure do have a narrow view of what science is capable of.



posted on Mar, 12 2014 @ 04:35 PM
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Lets talk Science with Albert Einstein and Thomas Edison

All Voices

Albert Einstein (1879-1955),
Time Magazine's Man of the Century and one of the greatest minds the
world has known, taught us that energy cannot be created or destroyed.
It can only be changed from one form of energy into another form of
energy. This means that no matter what is done energy cannot be
destroyed.

Another great scientist who believed in life after death was
Thomas Edison, (1847-1931). Edison was a genius ahead of his time. He
invented the light bulb, phonograph, typewriter, electric motor, stock
ticker, and 1093 other patented inventions. One of the inventions that
he worked on at the end of his career was a secret project, a machine
that would let the living see and communicate with the souls of the
dead.

Edison believed that that the soul was made up of what he referred to
as “life units.” These microscopic particles or life units could
rearrange into any form. They retained full memory, personality and
were indestructible. Edison's machine would detect these life units in
the environment and allow living individual to communicate with the
dead. He put many years of hard work into his new creation, but sadly,
he died before it was finished.


Edison and his Ghost Machine



posted on Mar, 12 2014 @ 05:00 PM
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CallmeRaskolnikov
in my opinion it is not my responsibility nor the responsibility of anyone else who is an experiencer to figure out how the non-physical universe interacts and folds into the physical universe. after all that is not my field.


It's not your responsibility to come up with a General Systems Theory, nor a consistent String Theory either, nor explore the possibility of FTL travel. If you want to opt out and rely on personal experience, there's nothing stopping you. But your attitude of "maybe it isn't explainable" reminds me of the patent clerk who thought maybe there was "nothing left to invent." That's Okay on a personal level, but it isn't Okay on a cultural level. If Science stops progressing because people figured it wasn't their responsibility to investigate Quantum Mechanics then our knowledge of the Universe would be restricted and stuck in the Era of Newton.

Figuring this out is important for the future of our species and would profoundly change the world. If we could show, scientifically, how we do survive death and that there is an "Other Side," then it would change the way we live our lives. It would utterly change religion, for example. And if we could get commerce and real-time communication going between the two realms, our lives and the purpose of our lives would change forever, literally.

I suspect in some circles that has been done, but in most, including ours, it is still in the realm of magic and superstition. I don't mind the slightest of people aren't interested. All that means is that you are not a factor in any solution, but if that's true then don't impede the progress. We need to answer the materialists, because that is fundamental. we don't need to ask you. Either lead or follow or get out of the way.
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posted on Mar, 12 2014 @ 05:35 PM
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schuyler
And if we could get commerce and real-time communication going between the two realms, our lives and the purpose of our lives would change forever, literally.

I suspect in some circles that has been done, but in most, including ours, it is still in the realm of magic and superstition. I don't mind the slightest of people aren't interested. All that means is that you are not a factor in any solution, but if that's true then don't impede the progress. We need to answer the materialists, because that is fundamental. we don't need to ask you. Either lead or follow or get out of the way.
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You are very on-track here. There is a reason why we have so many scientific revolutions throughout history. The ideas have always been there but, with every era in science, new scientists are just waiting for the old scientists to die off so they can make progress.

I do see a future of interaction between the realms, able to be experienced by the average person and with interfaces to make it all measurable and observable to all. I fully expect my grandchildren to be learning about inter-corporeal etiquette standards as a typical high school class and things that we view as mystical now will be mundane and understood without taboo or fear.



posted on Mar, 12 2014 @ 06:04 PM
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You're assuming that what they saw in all the storys were reminents of dead people.

Other than that, no argument from me. My definition was for most of the silly counterpoints against my claim that ghosts, per def, can not and do not exist.

Wow, the lengths people will go to to neglect and twist someones claim if it doesn't fit with their belief of a myth..

I'm astonished! Good job!

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posted on Mar, 12 2014 @ 06:13 PM
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I bet everything I own that Edison never would have been able to make such a device. First he would have to proove his theory. Then work on communication. Accidental sience is a b%#%ch..

He really never started actually, unless you can show me that he had real results.



posted on Mar, 12 2014 @ 06:23 PM
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GrimReaper86
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So I don't suppose you believe in the wind or electricity or gravity either? All of which are non phsyical entities that have real phsyical impacts. Energy is force, and only energy is necessary to generate force or to impact the physical. So if a ghost is a form of energy, they can likely find ways to generate force as well. Especially with electricity, and our brain; is a collection of electrical impulses. So a non phsyical floating entity with the power to manipulate electricity may infact have some level of intelligence. Also, I've seen a ghost. In person. Even for someone who claims to have a scientific way of disproving ghosts, you sure do have a narrow view of what science is capable of.


Better go back to the books mate!
You need some kind of mass to create energy and you need mass to contain energy.

Wind is gas in motion by pressure. Gravity is excerted by mass and space, and electricity is electrons contained.
That is also is the case with "force", for example mass in movement.

So Sir, what contains your ghostly "energy", for it not to diccipate or change?



posted on Mar, 12 2014 @ 06:50 PM
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br0ker

TritonTaranis
Hi OP

Just popped in to say I've seen ghosts on a number of occasions and twice with other people in the same room, we all witnessed a dark misty shadow open the door of our bedroom and the door slam shut very violently shaking the house

So this kinda goes against your theory's put fourth,

All I will say is science cannot explain everything, we're still very you g as a species were probably not even into out galactic infancy yet

And I'll back that up by asking you to explain the physics within a black hole?

That dark place where physics and all rules disappear and breakdown I to kaos


So you all drew the conclusion that this shadow was a ghost "an entity from a dead person"? Why?

Couldn't it have been something else, real and physical that you never encountered or heard of before?


No

I don't believe this thing was a spirit of a dead person and I think this is a massive misconception tbh, as that is not what a ghost is in my mind, in my mind.. a ghost is an energy an entity of sorts, I've never really seen any real ghosts that resemble people, only once, but the majority or the time the kind I've seen are shadow like, huge dark shadows maybe 7ft tall,

I genuinely don't think it could have been anything else, what else do you think it could have been?

This object wasn't solid nor did it have a clear outline, it almost shifted like liquid and resembled a dark moving shadow, it was so shocking to see, it was like electric running through my body, I was frozen solid crippled with fear simply because it was so out there, we all remained speechless for at least a minute or two afterwards before we could regain control over our body muscles

I was literally screaming in side did you see that for a few seconds before the words come out my mouth before turning to look left and right at my brother and my gf at the time they was just starring mouth open shocked to the core at what they had just seen,

After we had all confided in each other at what we had all seen each, it appears it was me who woke up first after a bad dream, this shadow was in my dream, chasing me, I won't go into detail on that but I have written about it on hear before... As I woke this shadow was moving in the hall way just outside the bedroom where we was all asleep,

It moved I to the room where it moved and shifted in the door shortly after the shadow began to shift back the door sucked closed and slammed shaking the entire house waking everybody up, my parent were in the room at the end of the hall, and other two brothers when in the room to the left

I have no logical answer for what I see nor does anybody else that see this, and I'd also suspect neither does science



posted on Mar, 12 2014 @ 07:52 PM
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br0ker
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You know what.. Some kind of bend in time and space, by some yet unexplained physical phenomena - I might be able to play along with if I went FAR out on a limb.

But undead entities opening closets, doors, appearing infront of someone to interact and making a racket to get their way. That has absolutely no reasoning at all...

Please share, if you have any theory at all about how that could be possible without a physical body/mind.


I am very surprised that you would expect undead entities to be reasonable in the first place..



posted on Mar, 12 2014 @ 08:01 PM
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br0ker

GrimReaper86 reply to post by br0ker
 
So I don't suppose you believe in the wind or electricity or gravity either? All of which are non phsyical entities that have real phsyical impacts. Energy is force, and only energy is necessary to generate force or to impact the physical. So if a ghost is a form of energy, they can likely find ways to generate force as well. Especially with electricity, and our brain; is a collection of electrical impulses. So a non phsyical floating entity with the power to manipulate electricity may infact have some level of intelligence. Also, I've seen a ghost. In person. Even for someone who claims to have a scientific way of disproving ghosts, you sure do have a narrow view of what science is capable of.
Better go back to the books mate! You need some kind of mass to create energy and you need mass to contain energy. Wind is gas in motion by pressure. Gravity is excerted by mass and space, and electricity is electrons contained. That is also is the case with "force", for example mass in movement. So Sir, what contains your ghostly "energy", for it not to diccipate or change?



Photons have no mass.. and they are energy ... so there is one of those flaws you wanted me to point out..

Stop using your own version of science to support your claims..



posted on Mar, 12 2014 @ 08:09 PM
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One word, ENERGY.

Ghosts, spirits, your soul - whatever you want to label it, it is pure energy. An energy that is capable of being seen and felt. And depending on the level of enlightenment, that energy also has experience and knowledge. You know how all those experts, doctors, and scientists say that our heart and brains operate with "electrical impulses", yet in over 100 years of research they haven't got the slightest clue where that energy comes from? Well, those electrical impulses - energy - comes from your soul. I'm not sure why some find that so difficult to understand.

Personally, I find it very difficult to see us all as ants, running around with no purpose, created by some random 'bang' (no pun intended), and then when life comes to an end that's it - lights out. That explanation for us being here makes absolutely no sense and doesn't explain a lot of amazing FACTS. No explanation for the powerful emotions that we experience - love, hate, compassion, guilt, etc., or the fact that our bodies are so perfectly designed and our environment/the earth is so perfectly designed to sustain life for us (our bodies are made up mostly of water and we require oxygen to live) and the planet supplies us more than we need provided we don't pollute and destroy it - which we currently are. We are also provided all the power we could ever need from the sun, but unfortunately the oil industry and gov't's haven't figured out a way to tax the sun and charge you for using its energy so they have sabotaged any attempt to mass distribute solar panels (fact). Believing that you are ONLY what you see in the mirror, and that you have no soul is just so hard to believe. But I believe most people that have that belief are doing that reverse-psychology thing where they want to believe but need someone to show them. Or want a higher power to show them a 'sign' to prove it.

Anyhow, don't go getting your knickers in a twist and thinking I'm some religious fanatic. Actually, for the most part I despise religions, but I would say that I am spiritual. And I have been fortunate enough to have read, seen, and learned things that made it possible for me to better understand the proverbial Big Picture. My only wish is that more and more people will be open to understanding why they are here. (uggh, that almost sounded....religious).

Oh, and for the record I have felt a spirit before, and yes, I'm sure it wasn't gas.

Just my 2 cents!


br0ker
This should be extremely reasonable to most people. Yet I'm shocked how you can be so unscientific about the fact.

If a ghost should be able to move things, manifest itself to be viewed, or make sounds then it HAS to be a physical entity. A non-physical entity can not, in ANY way MOVE physical things. To be seen it needs to be physical as well, otherwise there is NO way to reflect light.

And most of all, to interact with you, it would need a brain. No physical entity=no brain=no mind and thought.

And the physical part of what you call a ghost is long gone and buried. It is only buried bones, if anything at all.

So, lets put this to rest. Unless you have some kind of scientific facts that would make all this mumbojumbo possible?
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posted on Mar, 12 2014 @ 09:46 PM
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Cuervo
Basically, the only thing you said is "the supernatural can't exist because it's supernatural".

Wow.


That, and "ghosts can't be real because souls don't exist".

And then asking for theories in accordance with those statements...


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posted on Mar, 13 2014 @ 03:05 AM
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Cuervo

br0ker
This should be extremely reasonable to most people. Yet I'm shocked how you can be so unscientific about the fact.

If a ghost should be able to move things, manifest itself to be viewed, or make sounds then it HAS to be a physical entity. A non-physical entity can not, in ANY way MOVE physical things. To be seen it needs to be physical as well, otherwise there is NO way to reflect light.

And most of all, to interact with you, it would need a brain. No physical entity=no brain=no mind and thought.

And the physical part of what you call a ghost is long gone and buried. It is only buried bones, if anything at all.

So, lets put this to rest. Unless you have some kind of scientific facts that would make all this mumbojumbo possible?
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Basically, the only thing you said is "the supernatural can't exist because it's supernatural".

Wow.


No, I said ghost can't exist because of universal laws.



posted on Mar, 13 2014 @ 03:07 AM
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I never said that, I would prefer it if you quoted me instead.



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