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posted on Mar, 11 2014 @ 02:49 PM
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Why do guns matter more to Americans than...

I blame tv and all those cowboy and indian movies.
But seriously, it is part of our culture both for security and pleasure. Many of our families take honor in owning, teaching and valuing gun ownership. Historically they served to help survive for hunting purposes as well as protection in the wild times of the past. Granted we have some over the top glorification at times, but guns have been an interwoven part of our history for both good and bad, and I think of the old saying it is better to have a gun and not need it than to need it and not have one, and for better or worse this applies to our country.




posted on Mar, 11 2014 @ 02:50 PM
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I think this is refreshing to read here.

I say Nolimits, keep saying what you think.

You will have your pecker smacked here shortly, but I have no problem with people speaking their minds.

Nolimits you truly have no limits.



posted on Mar, 11 2014 @ 02:51 PM
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Yes but everyone of them knew we had to stand up and fight against Nazism.
I used to look after many old folk who fought in WW2 and everyone of them is proud that they stopped Hitler and stopped Nazism.
A very cowardly opinion you have about WW2 to me that is the last just war.
If we didn't do anything how many more would have died? and you think Hitler would have stopped at France? BS.



posted on Mar, 11 2014 @ 02:51 PM
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Fromabove

To answer the OP:

1. The gun in the hands of the people prevents would be tyrants from oppressing us.

2. 45-50 hours of work per week is the mid range as we are hard working people. We are also those with the highest standard of living per total population. Take Europe for example, they are mostly entitlement minded and oppressed by their governments. They cannot have guns either. They're not really free at all. From this side of the pond to us they seem like they hate to work but love to live off of those few that do.

3. Free enterprise is valued here not despised. We don't hate the wealthy, we aspire to be wealthy. We can be all that we want to, IF, we are willing to work hard for it.

I've answered but a few of the American bashing points, so I hope that helps you.




1. Up to certain point I do agree, although if we take a look on advanced countries, where citizens have lots of guns or don´t, generally speaking at least currently, there are no tyrants and politicians are the ones on a slight leash. Who knows, what might happen in the future, but I highly doubt anything is let to happen.

2. The citizens of European nations not entitlement minded, neither are the citizens of any European Union country being oppressed by the governments. Technically speaking, the press freedom and internet freedom are higher in near to any EU country, just as the general prison population is significantly lower, while crime rates are low.

Governments are seen as working for the people, not as separate entities. Imagine government as a huge insurance/service company. You pay them certain amount of taxes and expect receiving quality service back for it. If you are paying to insurance company the health insurance, do you think you are entitled to health insurance, in case of some emergency? Why is it any different when you are paying for the same thing to the government? In the end, I pay personally significantly less than many Americans, while getting everything covered (without long delays etc, that is a myth)... The same goes for many other services. I pay the unemployment insurance, of course, I am entitled to unemployment benefits it, if I lose my job... I expected receiving what I paid for my insurance.

Generally European tend to put much effort into youth for the sake of the nation. Children are the future and not every child is born into wealthy family. That is the reason, why in most nations it is expected that college tuitions are kept low/covered by the government, as long as the child is smart enough to attend university - to ensure that every citizen is granted similar opportunities when starting their life (thats why the paid mother leave, as well as school lunches are usually covered). Not all parents are wealthy or good. Why should the children suffer because of their parents bad decisions? Why should one kid get a free ride on top universities, while the other one pays their debt their whole life simply due to being born into the "wrong" family.

I would not say working 45-50 or even more hours a week is a smart move to be honest. It can be done as personal choice, but definitely no company should be allowed to require working that much, neither should no person be expected work that much in order to just survive (basic foods, rent, transport etc). At the end, there are many other things important in life and working that long hours constantly usually leads to serious health issues long-term, which would cost far more to treated or via productivity loss. At the same time, family relations, other parts of life would suffer a lot. At least I believe in working smart, rather than putting in the extreme hours. For example, in Germany auto-workers, the guys making you Volkswagens, Audis earn 60 dollars an hour, while putting in less hours than the American autofactory workers. At the same time, the companies earn similar profits to US counterparts.

The life standard though is pretty much the same in majority of EU nations than in US. You can look that the salaries are lower, but at the same time the education costs are low, the healthcare is covered, other insurances are covered. There is far less worry/stress about future. You get everything you need to buy, while having even time for family/friends, hobbies etc. I would not say that is worse than in US... Nordic countries have possibly the highest life standard of all nations, while having relatively low debts. Despite all the social programs, the debts are significantly lower than in majority of other nations, including US and at the same time, who works hard/smart is rewarded for it.

3. Free enterprise is just as valued here. You can not imagine how strongly the governments urge youth to make start-ups. Starting a business here takes about 15 minutes online paperwork, while the taxes for small businesses, especially starting ones are kept very low. There are many start-up hubs, where government funds help youth create their first protoypes or gain specific knowledge/help from specialists. Generally in European countries the rates of start-ups new companies per capita are significantly higher than in US, for example. Also the small business sectors make up significantly larger proportion of the economy.

Whether wealthy are despised or not depends on how they acquired their wealth. At the end, it is usually believed, that employees make the company´s profits, not the CEO or shareholders or whoever made the company. Someone who is taking home hundreds of millions a year, while the employees are kept at minimum wages, is despised. A person, who can become rich, while paying their employees reasonable wage at the same time not screwing with the environment or using other sneaky tactics, is seen very positively.



posted on Mar, 11 2014 @ 02:51 PM
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Nolimits

As for have I met WW2 veterans. Yes I have. Funnily enough, they all agreed. War is hell.



And did you also run it by them that you'd rather they were nazi slaves?
You would rather hitler won, than fighting alongside another country?
You're sick in the head mate



posted on Mar, 11 2014 @ 02:52 PM
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boymonkey74
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I bumped into a very large Badger once I had to run away it chased me.


Did you bite its tail?

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posted on Mar, 11 2014 @ 02:53 PM
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boymonkey74
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Yes but everyone of them knew we had to stand up and fight against Nazism.
I used to look after many old folk who fought in WW2 and everyone of them is proud that they stopped Hitler and stopped Nazism.
A very cowardly opinion you have about WW2 to me that is the last just war.
If we didn't do anything how many more would have died? and you think Hitler would have stopped at France? BS.


This is our problem. We're too concerned about what happens in other countries. You think if we got invaded tomorrow the French would give a damn? They haven't even said thanks for our dead in the last war, leave alone the one before that.

Look at how much international assistance we got in the Falklands in comparison to how much we gave for Iraq twice and Afghanistan.



posted on Mar, 11 2014 @ 02:54 PM
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You Utopian Country sounds fantastic. Can you please take some of our Progressive members here and the Progressives in our Country, as this place you reside is what they pine for.



posted on Mar, 11 2014 @ 02:54 PM
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I was in the woods near me and I heard something in a bush and went over to have a look, I saw it's behind and it turned made a weird face at me, screamed and launched it's self at me Fangs and claws all out, I turned and ran and didn't stop until I was out breath not looking back once lol.
I wouldn't have fought it unarmed lol.
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posted on Mar, 11 2014 @ 02:55 PM
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stargatetravels

Nolimits

As for have I met WW2 veterans. Yes I have. Funnily enough, they all agreed. War is hell.



And did you also run it by them that you'd rather they were nazi slaves?
You would rather hitler won, than fighting alongside another country?
You're sick in the head mate


Too kind, really.



posted on Mar, 11 2014 @ 02:56 PM
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So, do you think Hitler's war machine would have just ignored UK once he finished with Europe?

Imagine what the world would be like if no one opposed the Nazis.

When you have militant fascists knocking at your door with heavy artillery its usually not the best call to ignore them.

And I'm a pacifist.

Kallisti



posted on Mar, 11 2014 @ 02:57 PM
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really? more you say?... there is a lower murder-rate in the UK.
www.bloomberg.com...



posted on Mar, 11 2014 @ 03:04 PM
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kdyam
Last time I checked England lost their rights to "bear" arms. Look at the violent crime rate there now.... one of the highest in the world.


British justice system defines violent crime differently, much more broadly, so violent crime rates are incomparable. Imagine if US counted speeding tickets as traffic violence and UK didn´t. Are the stats of these two comparable then? Well, its the same with violent crime. What is violent crime in UK, often doesn´t constitute as one in US.

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posted on Mar, 11 2014 @ 03:06 PM
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Oh, you mean like US statistics using suicide by firearms as "Firearm Violence" and also counting when gang bangers shoot each other as "Children"???

Maybe you really shouldn't believe all that you watch on the BBC.



posted on Mar, 11 2014 @ 03:09 PM
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“The strict gun controls in the U.K. are one of the reasons you’ve got such good homicide rates.”


That is by far one of the dumbest news statement I have read.

So, the UK has "good" homicide rates??

I thought the whole point of banning most firearms is so those numbers would be 0.

Guess the UK criminals, like the US criminals, never got that memo.

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posted on Mar, 11 2014 @ 03:11 PM
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"There are three types of lies: lies, damned lies and statistics."

Most statistical data is either biased, falsified or both. Especially when dealing with data related to gun violence.

Kallisti



posted on Mar, 11 2014 @ 03:13 PM
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macman
How about this. You deal with your crap in your country and I won't inject my ways onto you, and you do that in return??


Says the man from a country that has military bases in 130 nations and has invaded 69 nations since WW2...

Not to mention from a country that carved its existence out of the flesh of people who were already here through Manifest Destiny.

I'm not saying we don't have a lot to be proud of but telling other nations to mind their own business is a bit ironic.
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posted on Mar, 11 2014 @ 03:13 PM
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According to the institute, if the U.S. homicide rate were the same as the U.K.’s, it would prevent 12,000 deaths a year.


WOW. that is what......0.00038% of our population. And I guess that center can predict future events then as well.



posted on Mar, 11 2014 @ 03:15 PM
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Yeah, I just checked my personal timeline and don't see where I was involved with Manifest Destiny. Nor do I support having our Military in foreign countries.

So.....I really could care less about what other countries think of us.

I also don't seem to be the person in charge, making those decisions.



posted on Mar, 11 2014 @ 03:19 PM
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That´s not some utopian society... Pretty much any Northern-European nations is similar to that. You pay your taxes and get what you paid for. And the government debts are less than 50% of GDP.


macman
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Oh, you mean like US statistics using suicide by firearms as "Firearm Violence" and also counting when gang bangers shoot each other as "Children"???

Maybe you really shouldn't believe all that you watch on the BBC.



No, suicide by firearms isn´t counted in statistics.

Do the gangbangers raise up the stats in every state?

When comparing states separately to different European nations, even then, the state having the lowest rate (0.3 per 100k in Vermont, everybody else is over 0.4, in total only 11 states have firearm homicides under 1.0) would not qualify in top 20 lowest rates in Europe...

I don´t watch BBC.

That´s just a comment on your post, although I don´t bother arguing on pro/anti gun topic...



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