Drugs

reply to post by dollukka


Absolutely. Nature is a pharmacy...

dollukka
I can understand some kind of exchange where items which benefits both as survival vice is taken place.. so i wonder what would you trade drugs for ????

People pawn their most prized possessions for a fraction of their worth for funds to buy drugs on a daily basis. Some of those possessions could be useful in a disaster scenario - and if something isn't immediately useful for one person, there's sure to be at least one other person in the world who could use it. That's the beauty of a barter economy.

Not to mention when/if the SHTF, we're going to need to find uses for EVERY part of EVERY thing.

dollukka
I can understand some kind of exchange where items which benefits both as survival vice is taken place.. so i wonder what would you trade drugs for ????

Fuel, Food, Water, whatever i need to survive longer then you and that's all that matters...for every person that dies, all the more for me and my family.

Your kid/kids/wife/family member has a serious infection. TSHHTF, there is no infrastructure anymore...what would my anti-biotics be worth to you.???

dollukka
reply to post by Soloprotocol

 

Where are you going to get insulin?

Eh...just steal it from the Chemist shop.

Utnapisjtim

dollukka
reply to post by Soloprotocol

 

Where are you going to get insulin?

You could gut a couple of pigs of course. Go for the pancreas. And while you're at it extract the glands situated on top of the kidneys aswell. Full of adrenaline, good for jump starting the heart at cardiac arrest, and useful for times of war when your body has to work on 120% at times. And then there is the pineal gland in the brain, weird stuff....

Appart from these, I would say etanol is the most important medical remedy, for cleaning wounds, pain relief etc.

edit on 10-3-2014 by Utnapisjtim because: Bad wording

edit on 10-3-2014 by Utnapisjtim because: Added last sentance

Excellent bit of info....keep em coming..

dollukka
reply to post by Utnapisjtim

 

Plantain leafs can do that too.. just make nice bandage of them on wounded area.

For producing insulin at home you need electricity

The present method of preparation is as follows. The beef or pork pancreas is finely minced in a larger grinder and the minced material is then treated with 5 c.c. of concentrated sulphuric acid, appropriately diluted, per pound of glands. The mixture is stirred for a period of three or four hours and 95% alcohol is added until the concentration of alcohol is 60% to 70%. Two extractions of the glands are made. The solid material is then partially removed by centrifuging the mixture and the solution is further clarified by filtering through paper. The filtrate is practically neutralized with NaOH. The clear filtrate is concentrated in vacuo to about 1/15 of its original volume. The concentrate is then heated to 50oC which results in the separation of lipoid and other materials, which are removed by filtration. Ammonium sulphate (37 grams. per 100 c.c.) is then added to the concentrate and a protein material containing all the Insulin floats to the top of the liquid. The precipitate is skimmed off and dissolved in hot acid alcohol. When the precipitate has completely dissolved, 10 volumes of warm alcohol are added. The solution is then neutralized with NaOH and cooled to room temperature, and kept in a refrigerator at 5oC for two days. At the end of this time the dark coloured supernatant alcohol is decanted off. The alcohol contains practically no potency. The precipitate is dried in vacuo to remove all trace of the alcohol. It is then dissolved in acid water, in which it is readily soluble. The solution is made alkaline with NaOH to PH 7.3 to 7.5. At this alkalinity a dark coloured precipitate settles out, and is immediately centrifuged off. This precipitate is washed once or twice with alkaline water of PH 9.0 and the washings are added to the main liquid. It is important that this process be carried out fairly quickly as Insulin is destroyed in alkaline solution. The acidity is adjusted to PH 5.0 and a white precipitate readily settles out. Tricresol is added to a concentration of 0.3% in order to assist in the isoelectric precipitation and to act as a preservative. After standing one week in the ice chest the supernatant liquid is decanted off and the resultant liquid is removed by centrifuging. The precipitate is then dissolved in a small quantity of acid water. A second isoelectric precipitation is carried out by adjusting the acidity to a PH of approximately 5.0. After standing over night the resultant precipitate is removed by centrifuging. The precipitate, which contains the active principle in a comparatively pure form, is dissolved in acid water and the hydrogen ion concentration adjusted to PH 2.5. The material is carefully tested to determine the potency and is then diluted to the desired strength of 10, 20, 40 or 80 units per c.c. Tricresol is added to secure a concentration of 0.1 percent. Sufficient sodium chloride is added to make the solution isotonic. The Insulin solution is passed through a Mandler filter. After passing through the filter the Insulin is retested carefully to determine its potency. There is practically no loss in berkefelding. The tested Insulin is poured into sterile glass vials with aseptic precautions and the sterility of the final product thoroughly tested by approved methods. The method of estimating the potency of Insulin solutions is based on the effect that Insulin produces upon the blood sugar of normal animals. Rabbits serve as the test animal. They are starved for twenty four hours before the administration of Insulin. Their weight should be approximately 2 kg. Insulin is distributed in strengths of 10, 20, 40 and 80 units per c.c. The unit is one third of the amount of material required to lower the blood sugar of a 2 kg. rabbit which has fasted twenty four hours from the normal level (0.118 percent) to 0.045 percent over a period of five hours. In a moderately severe case of diabetes one unit causes about 2.5 grammes of carbohydrate to be utilized. In earlier and milder cases, as a rule, one unit has a greater effect, accounting for three to five grammes of carbohydrate.

Survivalistboard

Thanks you for this....Appreciated.

reply to post by Soloprotocol


You and how many diabetics?
I read a book about all the power going out and what happens afterwards in a small American town and unfortunately the diabetic sufferers died pretty quick due to no insulin.

Insulin's not your best bet if you can use oral meds - your insulin will start going bad within a month or so after the power goes off. I can get any sort of oral antihyperglycemic, though. You don't need a prescription for that sort of thing, if you know how to buy it.

You might consider laying in lots of antibiotics that are stable.

Lets not fixate on Insulin here.
I am talking if a SHTF scenario like Kosovo, Serbia, Yugoslavia.. where everyone was hunkered down for a few years.Lighters became one of the biggest commodities back then...until it happens you never know what you might need most...
My guess would be Drugs. I could trade a few drugs for lots of lighters i guess. and think about it....if i have to move in a hurry i could take a shed load of drugs/bartering goods with me without the need for transport other than my rucksack.

Drugs last for ages. Bread a few days. flour a few months.

reply to post by Soloprotocol


Booze would be a good drug to store and barter.
Can disinfect wounds and get you sloshed

reply to post by Soloprotocol


Say NO to Drugs.

You don't want or need harmful pharmaceuticals when TSHTF. You don't need them because everything is already provided by nature. You just have to learn when where and how to look.

Thats like carrying gold around.. people will mob your family and kill you all for those pharmaceuticals. It's not worth even thinking about.

reply to post by JohnPhoenix


I agree with you. Let those who needs the life supporting drugs to have them from pharmacies when SHTF as those will be distributed as equally as possible ( depends where you live and what is your town/city´s SHTF policy ) to those who needs them.

Booze and drugs will get you between rock and a hard place eventually, when people get desparade they will want your booze and kill you for it.. medical weed woud be easier to store tho lol

dollukka
reply to post by JohnPhoenix

 

when people get desparade they will want your booze and kill you for it.. medical weed woud be easier to store tho lol

When TSHTF people will kill you for you underpants.

reply to post by Soloprotocol


Lmao.. if they need a underpants they most likely try to find a bigger ones.

dollukka
reply to post by Soloprotocol

 

Lmao.. if they need a underpants they most likely try to find a bigger ones.

maybe i...eh, THEY dont want to wear them.

If you plan on getting antbiotics you will need a prescription from a doctor
to get the meds from a human pharmacy & will only be allowed a certain amount.
However the fish stores & feed supply stores can be of great use as well as an
animal pharmacy. There was a list here that some one previously posted & if
needed I can supply information.

Cheers
Ektar

reply to post by Soloprotocol


Bravo for bringing up some things we overlook!

So lets look at what we need. Antibiotics for starters. lots of them to barter with. pain killers, diamorphine, insulin, antibiotic creams...

Now to be a critic, much of what you mention (and imply) should be stocked and purchased well before any SHTF scenario.
Tornadoes, earthquakes, power outages and simply prolonged periods w/o human contact validate this.

Ibuprofen and triple anti-biotic should be held by the thousands. Hell, Vitamin C and plain old vitamins as well. That list is endless.

Now to contribute:
Most people with asthma are prescribed an inhaler a month, though few use that amount. Inhalers would be very tradable.
You already mentioned syringes and insulin, damn straight!
Hope to not break T/C, but controlled substances people actually need would be very valuable.

Allergy pills, robitussin/ nyquil type cough syrup, jeez, the list is endless....
Nice thread, waiting to hear from others.
S&F.

P.S. For what it's worth, there was once a wise old man that participated heavily in this forum. He went by the name of Northern Raider.
He was banned, for what I do not know, doesn't matter.
The information contained in his threads is some of the most valuable info in this forum.
Search by name, and you will be rewarded.

The hottest commodity will be painkillers. Stronger the better.

It's already the ones with the highest rate of addiction. Now add a SHTF scenario and it's amplified.

Also the nicotine delivery system known as cigarettes.

reply to post by dollukka


The thing is.. when you bug out, normally you wouldn't just bug out without a plan. If you and your family have to make it through harsh conditions and abandon your main plan, (say if you cant get to your home town to get your gear and have to foot it through the woods..) you don't want to be carrying those things in droves. Perhaps small personal amounts to get you to your destination. There is a place for these drugs in a SHTF situation but thats only when you and your infirm can meet up with established colonies where medicine is used properly and guarded well.

I don't believe in taking unnecessary risks when survival is paramount.