When the nazis filled Madison Square Gardens

After the economic crisis of the 20's, the Wall St crash of 1929 and prohibition, many Americans looked in desperation around the world to see other nations rising, and carrying on, yet America stayed submerged in economic problems, unemployment and social equality issues.

Many looked at Gemany, and at Hitler, as a charasmatic leader, even J.F.K would come admire him.

Hitler was even named Time magazine's "man of the year" in 1938, and was a nobel peace prize candidate.

In 1939 the nazi's had more than 200,000 followers in the USA., but with the start of WW2, many changed their minds.

In 1933, after Hitler took power, many German immigrants in the U.S started to try and find a way to bring a little of "over there, over here", in trying to bring nacional socialism to America.

One of the largest groups wa called "Friends of new Germany", with its headquarters on the East Coast, while on the Pacific coast, the "Silver Legion" headed by William Duduley Pelley, spread the word.

The extreme measures taken by some group members to try and bring nazism into the daily routine of everyone was soon noticed by various commisions of the day, and after only two years they were being investigated to see if their meetings, rallies and the message they spread by the various forms of media they owned, newspapers and radio, were illegal.
They also drew attention to themselves after a number of jewish business had been targeted for attack.

Rudolf Hess gave the order to dissolve the Friends of New germany, hoping to start again with an organistation more discreet and less troublesome, for now anyway.


Fritz Kuhn - head of the "German American League"

And so, in 1936 was born the German American League, it's mission was to spread the word, with subtlety and discrection even though Fritz Kuhn was an extremist.
Kuhn managed to turn thousands of unhappy voters against Roosevelt and his mandate, blaming them for the state of America at every rally and meeting.

On the 20th of Febuary 1939 the biggest meeting yet of American nazi's took place at Madison Square Gardens.


Around 20,000 American nazi's would take part.

The continous verbal attacks against Roosevelt and the government led to another investigation, and eventually fines.

What stopped the spread of nazism in the U.S. was the invasion of Poland by Germany and start of WW2.

Still, the league could count on many members even organising a rally of thousands in New York on the 30th of October 1939.



The attack on pearl harbour spelled the begining of end of the nazis in the U.S.A, even though at one time people such as Henry Ford and Charles Lindbergh had been sympathisers.

Eventually, Fritz Kuhn was jailed for stealing 14,000$ of funds from the party, was declared an enemy of the state and was deported after his release from jail in 1945.

With that, ended the era of nazism in America.....or is it just sleeping..

Nazism had a pretty good foothold in the U.S in the 30's thanks to the mistrust of the government and the harsh economic conditions..makes you think could it happen, or is it happening again..

Nacional socialism had many, many friends, some public many more secretly, in the higher echelons of the U.S and England.

Does the legacy of these people continue today. Is what were seeing in Ukraine the start of something bigger?

reply to post by andy1972


this was when old man hitler was considered one of the good guys. he'd brought his country out of a massive depression/inflation cycle, had words of peace and goodwill among men in his vocabulary, and children gave him (orchestrated) flowers when he walked among them.

he then showed that he was nuts. in his later years i consider the three breaking points where even his closest aides had to know he was crazy was when he invaded france, tried to invade russia, and the camps. he could have had austria, sections of poland, and other land to play in, and gotten away with it, but the voices in his head or wherever he kept them urged him on to foolishness and disaster. in the end an idiot. a destructive idiot, but still an overreaching megalomaniac.

my point here being that lots of americans, europeans, and others saw him as a dynamic world leader, and rallied around him and his causes. for a time. then they all saw he was nuts.

-- e.e. aleister

Somewhere, across my many TB of stock video /documentary archives, I have some video of that event. It definitely happened.

Aleister
reply to post by andy1972

 

my point here being that lots of americans, europeans, and others saw him as a dynamic world leader, and rallied around him and his causes. for a time. then they all saw he was nuts.

-- e.e. aleister

These people, like Prescott Bush and friends funded and helped the nazi's into power in the begining of the 30's, twelve years later he's still doing business until his and his companies assests were frozen by the FBI in 1942..thats not a short time...

So sympathies in the U.S. towards nazism were fairly strong from it's beginings many years before.

IgnoranceIsntBlisss
Somewhere, across my many TB of stock video /documentary archives, I have some video of that event. It definitely happened.

Dig deep in your TB's then...i'd love to see it.

andy1972

Aleister
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my point here being that lots of americans, europeans, and others saw him as a dynamic world leader, and rallied around him and his causes. for a time. then they all saw he was nuts.

-- e.e. aleister

These poeple, like Prescott Bush, funded and put the nazi's into power in the begining of the 30's, twelve years later he's still doing business until his and his companies assest were frozen by the FBI in 1942..thats not a short time...

Bush, birds of a feather. He and Hitler's other major supporters had to question his sanity when he invaded France and split his forces to the east to try to conquer Russia (even Eva Braun was probably rolling her eyes at that one), trying to stretch his empire across two continents (not counting Africa) and taking on most of the big boys in the neighborhood all at the same time.

At these American rallies, did Hitler send messages to them to be read, and did some of his aides talk at any of them? "Tonight Only at the Odium Theater, Heinrich Himmler, 8 p.m. Bring the kids"

Be damned if I know what your point is with this.

You know nothing about the American Nazi Party? Their numerous associations with the right wing in America?

The order of the SS has affiliations in every state. The fact that most of these groups could care less about National Socialism and just want to use the moniker.

There are some huge groups in the Northwest and the FeeBee's monitor them closely however most of these groups are not even reactionary.

spooky24
Be damned if I know what your point is with this.

You know nothing about the American Nazi Party? Their numerous associations with the right wing in America?

The order of the SS has affiliations in every state. The fact that most of these groups could care less about National Socialism and just want to use the moniker.

There are some huge groups in the Northwest and the FeeBee's monitor them closely however most of these groups are not even reactionary.

So i take it your a card carrying member of the ANP then by your attitude to the thread.

The order of the SS in every state?? Whats that, the order of the "Social Security".

Could care or couldn't care less about nacional socialism ? I don't understand.

Are you trying to say the U.S's neo nazis playing arn't true to the code of the NSDAP ?

What bothers me isn't some ignorant red neck with a swastika tattooed on his neck, what bothers me are the people who have grown up with this as part of their family inheritance, waiting for the moment to start again.

Smedley Butler

The attempted fascist overthrow of the American government

A dark portion of American history that not a lot of people like to admit (least of all shills like Spooky24). It definitely happened, and it still has roots in America today. Fascism is alive and well.

With operation Paper Clip, you would do well to ask if it ever did go away or just underground. The Fourth Reich is alive and well in corporate America, they just don't go around in black uniforms with SS markings. Then you have all the police brutality going on, it would seem the Brown Shirts have returned but just ware different uniforms. The DHS will turn into the new SS with the use of drones, cameras and other tech to keep an eye on the citizenry.

Yep, sounds like it's alive and well in the US. May God have mercy on you all that live there because what's around the corner sure wont.

DeadSeraph
Smedley Butler

The attempted fascist overthrow of the American government

A dark portion of American history that not a lot of people like to admit (least of all shills like Spooky24). It definitely happened, and it still has roots in America today. Fascism is alive and well.

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After reading it, it's clear what was in the wind. However as word got out thanks to Butler, they (the wall st boys) simply buried it and left Butler looking like crazy. Two years later he wrote "WAR IS A RACKET".

reply to post by andy1972


His claims were later confirmed under a special house of representatives committee as wikipedia affirms, but this wasn't until after the media had a field day with him and the whole thing was pretty much swept under the rug. Prescott Bush was alleged to have been involved in that plot as well, which comes as no surprise to you, I am sure.

reply to post by andy1972

What bothers me isn't some ignorant red neck with a swastika tattooed on his neck, what bothers me are the people who have grown up with this as part of their family inheritance, waiting for the moment to start again.

That is a good point however most of these groups see the capitalistic democracy as a failure in America. They seek a socialistic form of government in which one person make all the decisions at the highest level. They also feel that race should be the deciding factor in the standing socialist order. History has a way of repeating itself and yes someday there will be a fourth Reich.

It is not against the law in America to socialize around a political objective. These groups have a charter, elect officers and solicit funds.

They have every right to exist within the laws of the community they choose to populate.

They are closely monitored by the FBI and they understand and accept the reasoning behind the scrutiny.

reply to post by andy1972


As with all facets of fascism, the footholds gained by the Nazi party, or its affiliates in the US, were gained because people were WEAK, and intellectually stunted enough to blame their problems on a particular set of ethnic groups, rather than actually address the problem of corruption in governments and big businesses.

When faced with a real problem, which will take effort, time, and energy to deal with correctly, an idiot will always choose to just trash everything in sight until someone does it for them, or until everything is on fire, and the entire history of the Nazi party ANYWHERE is a testament to that.

In short, fascism, no matter how it is dressed up, is a cancer on the buttocks of mankind. The trouble with fascism, is that so virulent is it as a disease of the mind, that the only way to prevent it, is to use its own tactics upon it, and destroy it without remorse or mercy where ever you can find it.

reply to post by TrueBrit


Fascism can exist freely without racism quite nicely. It is not dependent on hating jews or any other ethnic minority. It was appealing to the same people in the U.S as it was in Germany simply because of it's economic principles, which essentially liberate the corporate class to do whatever they wish in conjunction with the state. The political side of fascism is often the most discussed since it is described most often as a dictatorship, but in reality it is the economic relationship between the state and corporations which defines fascism. It can exist quite well even in the American "democratic process", and some would argue it does so today simply because all it needs to thrive is the illusion of choice and a strong relationship between business interests and government. Sound familiar? It should.

TrueBrit
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As with all facets of fascism, the footholds gained by the Nazi party, or its affiliates in the US, were gained because people were WEAK, and intellectually stunted enough to blame their problems on a particular set of ethnic groups, rather than actually address the problem of corruption in governments and big businesses.

And the world is still full of intellectually stunted weak people.

People still blame their problems on particular sets of ethic groups, this time it wont start with the jews.

As for addressing corruption in big business, you have to start at the top down, and i mean the very top.
Personally, i think American national socialism is a product strictly for export...... for the time being...

DeadSeraph
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Fascism can exist freely without racism quite nicely. It is not dependent on hating jews or any other ethnic minority. It was appealing to the same people in the U.S as it was in Germany simply because of it's economic principles, which essentially liberate the corporate class to do whatever they wish in conjunction with the state. The political side of fascism is often the most discussed since it is described most often as a dictatorship, but in reality it is the economic relationship between the state and corporations which defines fascism. It can exist quite well even in the American "democratic process", and some would argue it does so today simply because all it needs to thrive is the illusion of choice and a strong relationship between business interests and government. Sound familiar? It should.

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I agree, say what you like about the nazi's...but their trains ran on time..

andy1972
On the 20th of Febuary 1939 the biggest meeting yet of American nazi's took place at Madison Square Gardens.

Around 20,000 American nazi's would take part.

Leftist socialists meeting en masse in New York?

Who knew?

And here I thought it was a modern affliction...

Keep Calm

and

Flame On

Nazis were just a tool you have to look at the people who financed them because they are the real group that needs to be watched. After the fall of Germany the money behind Hitler came to America and took control of our government. While WW2 was going on they started coming to America by the thousands they never had to go through customs or even apply for citizenship even though many of these people were known Marxist and subversives.