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Quadrivium
buster2010
marg6043
reply to post by buster2010
I tell you what, we could do better if all the manufacturing jobs were still here, but since I became a resident of the state of GA, back in 96 in my small town alone we have lost 8 big manufacturing businesses, to name a few or the big names, Merck, Cooper tires, Bob candy, one side of Proctor and Gamble, uniforms, ect.
Now you tell me what we have done wrong that these businesses feel that moving to Mexico and China is better than keeping jobs in the state, and this is just in my small town, the town went from manufactures to welfare recipients.
Do not blame the states, most welfare states now are the product of bad businesses in Washington policies that benefits the pockets of politicians while screwing the working class in the states.
When Washington benefactors benefits from tax payer dollars the states suffer.
Did the government move these jobs overseas? No they didn't blame the people that own the companies for doing that. You can't say taxes were the cause because taxes are lower now than ever so it was nothing more than greed that caused these companies to move.
The government did do this. It started with Bush senior's "Thousand Points of Light" speech and ended with NAFTA.
The Free Trade Act killed manufacturing in this country.
mrsdudara
reply to post by Gryphon66
We are a very young country compared to all the rest. Something to keep in mind, perhaps Georgia on its own would not make a big grand stand in the world, but if it buddied up with South Carolina, Florida and Alabama, it would be the size of Germany.
Stop selling us short. People are powerful. It only took a 5th of Georgia's population to start this country.
Chaos happens when one unruly government tries to control such a large population of passionately opinionated people.
marg6043
reply to post by buster2010
Well as a resident of Ga I believe that any state resident should stop paying the over bloated and corrupted Federal Government with our taxes and keep all taxes collected to the states.
Remember that when a state ask for help from the federal government we have to understand that is Federal taxes taken from the state workers to feed the federal state.
edit on 10-3-2014 by marg6043 because: (no reason given)
HanzHenry
angelchemuel
Well, it looks like acts of secession are going on all over the place to a greater or lesser extent! People are reclaiming their voices.
No wonder TPTB/banks are getting jittery .......
Rainbows
Jane
We are collapsing JUST LIKE the Soviet Union did. To see pictures of our once great cities as compared to 30 years ago. And the massive lowering in diposable incomes and the poverty, the poverty is outrageous.
The USA will also split into smaller states like the former USSR. Cascadia, Aztlan, etc.
Cuervo
The beautiful irony is that I see the conclusion being one where the people come together in true cooperation in order to seperate in true cooperation. I don't see the United States becoming insolvent but I do see it becoming league of nations (50 of them, hopefully) that only provides resources and protection but no rule or government.
grey580
reply to post by TrueAmerican
be careful what you wish for.
Calling for fiscal responsibility may result in states not getting federal funding.
saneguy
Cuervo
The beautiful irony is that I see the conclusion being one where the people come together in true cooperation in order to seperate in true cooperation. I don't see the United States becoming insolvent but I do see it becoming league of nations (50 of them, hopefully) that only provides resources and protection but no rule or government.
It's possible to see a breakup but not into 50 countries IMO. I would imagine maybe 5 or 6 regions that make economic and geographic sense. Lets face it, the cost of government is killing us.
List of Bankruptcy Filings Since January 2010
All Municipal Bankruptcy Filings: 38
General-Purpose Local Government Bankruptcy Filings (8):
-- City of Detroit
-- City of San Bernardino, Calif.
-- Town of Mammoth Lakes, Calf. (Dismissed)
-- City of Stockton, Calif.
-- Jefferson County, Ala.
-- City of Harrisburg, Pa. (Dismissed)
-- City of Central Falls, R.I.
-- Boise County, Idaho (Dismissed)
LAST UPDATED: Dec. 3, 2013
We had previously discussed the problems facing the US Government in handling its budget deficits, but what about the states? The states are reliant on two things: 1) the receipts of their taxpayers and 2) help from the US Government. The US Government has a nice little tool in its tool-belt: the ability to print money…something that California and Schwarzenegger are entirely jealous of. The Center on Budget and Policy Priorities released a piece titled “New Fiscal Year Brings No Relief From Unprecedented State Budget Problems“. A few of the juicy details:
At least 48 states have addressed or still face shortfalls in their budgets for fiscal year 2010.
At least 33 states already anticipate deficits for 2011. Initial estimates of these shortfalls total almost $51 billion. As the full extent of 2011 deficits become known, shortfalls are likely to equal $160 to $180 billion.
Combined budget gaps for the next two years — state fiscal years 2010 and 2011 — are estimated to total at least $350 billion.
Best of luck to the taxpayers in Arizona, California, New York, Nevada, & Illinois. Not many are far behind, but the deficits in these states can only mean much higher state taxes. That should be great for unemployment and job growth…
How Much Foreign Aid Does the U.S. Give Away?
while foreign aid is well under 1 percent of the total U.S. federal budget, it's still counted in the multiple tens of billions of dollars – around $23 billion this year, or a total of $37 billion if you include assistance to foreign militaries. And that, of course, is a lot of money. Here are the precise figures:
Foreign Aid
In fiscal 2013, U.S. government funding for humanitarian assistance and international development will total around $23 billion. (Back in October, I included spending on diplomacy in the numbers that I reported. In order to directly address the question of how much we give in aid to other countries, I'm now leaving out diplomacy and operations of the State Department.)
Foreign Military Assistance
In addition, the U.S. will spend around $14 billion in fiscal 2013 for foreign military assistance – that's money spent on training foreign armies and providing them with weapons.
Use our Trade-Offs tool to see how many teachers, police officers, and years of health care coverage – among other things – your community could buy with tax dollars currently spent on foreign aid and the military.
On 19 June 2013, Ben Bernanke announced a "tapering" of some of the Fed's QE policies contingent upon continued positive economic data. Specifically, he said that the Fed could scale back its bond purchases from $85 billion to $65 billion a month during the upcoming September 2013 policy meeting.[49] He also suggested that the bond buying program could wrap up by mid-2014.[50] While Bernanke did not announce an interest rate hike, he suggested that if inflation follows a 2% target rate and unemployment decreases to 6.5%, the Fed would likely start raising rates. The stock markets dropped approximately 4.3% over the three trading days following Bernanke's announcement, with the Dow Jones dropping 659 points between 19 and 24 June, closing at 14,660 at the end of the day on 24 June.[51] On 18 September 2013, the Fed decided to hold off on scaling back its bond-buying program
lumpster13
grey580
reply to post by TrueAmerican
be careful what you wish for.
Calling for fiscal responsibility may result in states not getting federal funding.
So here's a thought: Lets cut the federal tax rates and increase each state's tax rate accordingly. Put the money into the local coffers and let the states manage themselves without the need of federal monies.
Xcathdra
Nice... We should exercise caution though and not rush into this blind.
The ability to amend the Constitution in this manner could have unintended side effects. While the bulk will propose good, decent and honorable ideas, I can also see that setup being used to strip even more away from the states / people for those wanting control.
“Well, Doctor, what have we got—a Republic or a Monarchy?”
“A Republic, if you can keep it.” - Benjamin Franklin, when asked what type of government was selected
We did not do to good the first time around.. If we do it a second time lets try and get it right.
Either or I support the move - S & F
edit on 10-3-2014 by Xcathdra because: (no reason given)
TrueAmerican
But beware of sneaky, tyrannical hands. How many times have we seen unrelated legislation pass on a bill, that has nothing to do with the main legislation? Well the same thing could happen here, if the Convention is called. They might try to further limit, or even abolish, the 2nd Amendment, for example.
buster2010
Georgia reminds me of the girl suing her parents for college funds and living expenses. We want to do as we please but keep paying our bills for us. If Georgia really wanted to lead other states then make an example and pay your own way instead of begging the government for so much aid. They are part of the reason why we have so much debt because the government has to take care of their people instead of Georgia taking care of them themselves. So until they so this anything they pass against the governments spending is just a joke.