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reply posted on 29-11-2004 @ 02:13 AM by engineer

Can Brahmos take on a super-carrier?

First of all. I wouldn't advise trying...

The short answer is not a chance. But here's the long answer...(By super-carrier, I assume you mean a USN CVN, so my response is tailored to that scenario).

To get inside a CVN Strike force is going to be exceptionally difficult. A USN CSF on wartime footing has a layered screen that goes out almost 1000km. Anything that hits the 800km perimeter is automatically scaled at a threat level. Not to mention the fact that there will also be 2-3 Aegis AB's in escort and a minimum of 1 Tico.

Brahmos has 300km range, so the enemy ship must come within that range to the Carrier and can be sunk before it launches the cruise missile. But let's just say somehow it gets one off before it sinks. E-2C hawkeye detects the missile and notifies the defensive systems to calculate and intercept.

CVN is now travelling at flank, running evasion and also (in current scenarios) NETFORCEd with every other ship in the fleet and any other platform within a 1000 k's, that means that in current scenarios, there will be another CSF adding its electronic capability to the response.

The Brahmos has to overcome the Electronic warfare systems and decoy systems, these include ESM and "Electronic Attack" chaff and flare dispenser systems. Next you have the close in missile defence systems. These currently comprise gun and missile systems, Mk 15 Phalanx 20mm gun, US Mk 43 Rolling airframe missile (RAM, 20 missiles) system or it's newer version SEA RAM, (11 missiles), Evolved Sea Sparrow missile system (ESSM), and longer range systems like SM-2 and soon to be SM-3 (though these are primarily anti-air role as opposed to the Anti-ASM role).

A USN CSF also uses active electronic masking, and there may be a "goat" in the CSF that emulates the CVN's signals and electronic signature.

Furthermore....

The USN trains against supersonic cruise missile attacks by using other missile systems. (and has been for many years) eg, the USN uses a missile system that can be tuned to emulate a Yakhont or a Sunburn. In the past we have used modified kh-31's, but these were eventually abandoned due to under performance issues. At the last series of supersonic tests, 49 out of 50 supersonic launches were intercepted successfully.

A carrier is citadeled. It's estimated that it would take 4 torps of the capability of the Mk48 ADCAP to sink one. One or two Brahmos's isn't going to do the job.

The other issue is that the US sees that an attack on a CSF is tantamount to attacking the CONUS - any nation that strikes or attempts to strike a CSF will trigger SSGN's launching cruise missiles (at best) against their shore based important assets - and it's a safe bet is that we would strike a symbolic asset to make a significant point.

So anyway, like I said, I wouldn't advise trying...


reply posted on 5-12-2004 @ 01:03 AM by engineer
Originally posted by Daedalus3
Unfortunately im at a loss when it com,es to abbreviations too...
Care to elaborate?

D3,
Sorry about that, I just assume people understand the designations. My bad. First of all, I assume you read my post on the previous page.

CSF=USN Carrier Strike Force
CVN=USN Nuclear Powered Aircraft Carrier
AEW&C=Airborne Early Warning & Control Aircraft (E2C Hawkeye)
AB=USN Arleigh Burke Class Guided Missile Destroyer (AEGIS)
Tico=USN Ticonderoga Class Guided Missile Cruiser (AEGIS)
SSGN=USN Nuclear Powered Guided Misssile Submarine
ASW=Anti-Submarine Warfare
MAD=Magnetic Anonomaly Detector

A CSF operates over a very large hunk of ocean. The AB's and Tico's make a screen around the CVN of several hundred kilometers. The SSGN's are part of this screen, and hunt enemy subs and surface ships. The E2C Hawkeye AEW&C flies patrol and extends the radar coverage of the CSF, and provides early warning of approaching aircraft or missiles. The CVN has 80+ fleet defender and strike aircraft (F-14 and F-18), and they run constant patrols also. There are also ASW aircraft patrolling and dropping sonabouys and scanning with MAD's looking for enemy subs. The entire screen extends almost 1000 km from the CVN in all directions.

All of these assets are electronically linked (NetForced), and the CVN sits in the center, protected from harm. You have a minimum of 2 SSGN's, 2-3 AB's and at least 1 Tico in the CSF, in addition to the aircraft. As I mentioned earlier, there may also be a "goat", a decoy vessel that emulates the CVN's electronic footprint.

No carrier driver would ever get within 300 km from shore based enemy assets. No CSF would operate so "condensed" as the diagram shows (except for photo-ops). They would be spread out over hundreds of kilometers, and the CVN would hold the most protected position in the group.

It's a pretty diagram, but it doesn't represent a true picture of the way the forces are deployed. e.g. All of the forces launching the missiles would have been neutralized long before the CSF was within striking distance of the Brahmos.
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